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Hairy Manballs
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Posted - 2008.10.19 22:14:00 -
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Well any company wants to have a product portfolio.
You can't rely on just one product for revenue indefinitely unless you're Blizzard.
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Sentient Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.10.19 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sentient Mayhem on 19/10/2008 22:32:55
Originally by: Hairy Manballs Well any company wants to have a product portfolio.
You can't rely on just one product for revenue indefinitely unless you're Blizzard.
That is true. But its the approach. Most companies don't gamble with the future of their existing product to finance their development of a possible new one. That is what CCP is doing here. Making very short sighted decisions that are threatening the long term survival of Eve to raise extra funds for a new MMO that very few existing players of Eve are going to be interested in.
If CCP is not in a comfortable enough financial position with the normal operating profits to pursue other opportunities, perhaps this isn't the time then to make the massive investment that developing a new MMO in today's market place takes. Or pehaps they need to look at taking on a more financially secure partner like Mythic did when they let Electronic Arts purchase them.
I really have no interest in watching the life get sucked out of Eve so that CCP can try to develop a new MMO that I have absolutely no desire to play.
There is a big difference between a company investing their normal operating profits to try and develop a new product verses taking on a project of such magnitude that it all but requires them to make business decisions that are going to be detrimental to the long term survival of their existing product.
Developing a new MMO in today's environment, with all the competition, is a endeavor that takes 10's of million of dollars. Perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars if one is to believe the press surrounding the launch of Age of Conan and Warhammer. Where do you think CCP is coming up with that money? How can they come up with that kind of money without it impacting Eve?
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Dhunter
Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.10.19 23:24:00 -
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BTW, it was never called ôghost trainingö until just now when they decided to nerf it. ThatÆs part of the PR spin. ôGhost trainingö makes it sound mildly sneaky and illegitimate. In the 5+ years IÆve been intensively participating in Eve theyÆve shot themselves in both feet a number of times. Their sleazy PR and spin and playing games with threads has become pretty solid evidence to me that they are corrupt and untrustworthy.
IÆm not at all sure that this faux pas will be the final nail in their coffin, but IÆm not the only one in their Forums to express the opinion that IÆd be willing to see Eve go away if it would be the price of seeing CCP punished by going out of business. Eve, a generally great MMOG, is severly tarnished by CCPÆs low standard of ethics and attitude. The management folks who made this happen should be fired on the spot. Unfortunately, in inbred Iceland, they wonÆt be.
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.10.19 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 19/10/2008 23:34:37 While I can very well understand the reasoning behind this move, it misses to take a major point into account:
Customer Retention
I have 1 main account, that I will, very likely, continue to keep active until I finally loose interest in eve.
Yet of my 2 other accounts, my one account started just to train a specialist for fun, will likely die. The cost for the original 1 month on, a few weeks off routine was exactly, what the project was worth to me.
My industrial account I will likely put active again during phases, where my rl and motivation allow me to dedicate my game time to eve. Yet I doubt that I will set it active again for learning purposes during longer breaks. The removal of Ghost Training in combination with discountinuing the 30 day cards result in a cost benefit relation thats once again not worth it, from my subjective perspective.
So overall CCP will very likely see an reduced income from my account as result of the recent decisions.
The aspect that many player on very long breaks where actually motivated by ghost training to come back and try again after getting some skills, has allready been mentioned.
In the end, only the future will show, if the decision to remove ghost training and the 60 day cards, will result in increased income or backfire.
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.19 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chani Fedaykin
Originally by: Soma Khan [snip]stuff[/snip] Who lied to you? [snip]irrelevant[/snip]
did u ever happen to think about the reasons ccp gave for the removal of unpaid training?
if you think those are valid, proveable facts - then you should perhaps read some of the posts in this thread and think about it again.
if not - you just answered your own question.
Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None. After all, playing this game (or even paying for it!) is completely optional, anyone can leave at any time. The fact that CCP is giving you the privilege to vent your angst on their forums is commendable, and is much more than most other commercial enterprises would allow.
Another fact is that the reasons that were given are good enough for any reasonable adult. If you feel those reasons are wrong, and there are others much more to your liking, that is your personal problem. Draw your own conclusions and move on. ___
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Ketanina
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Posted - 2008.10.19 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
It's no coincidence that every day since this was implemented the server has had start-up issues and DT has overrun the scheduled time even on the weekend when they usually don't do extra work on the DB.
I think they check about training when an account expires. at least my ghost training scheduled until yesterday went through. probably training will be halted next time the account expires. good move on not mentioning this detail ccp. would have spared some confusion.
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Ketanina
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan
Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None.
it was a documented feature. big ****up in my book declaring it a bug when convenient.
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ketanina
Originally by: Soma Khan
Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None.
it was a documented feature. big ****up in my book declaring it a bug when convenient.
CCP can declare anything they want. Your "book" doesn't count for shit.
I know this will be an exercise in futility, but here is a thread with some choice explanations for those who, like you, just can't get on with their lives. ___
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:10:00 -
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I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting. 
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Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting. 
Only in my dreams... They are too busy spamming the forums. "Oh noes! CCP is actually charging for thier product! No! We got it for free once. Now we have to payz! Noooo! Give us free game now or wez will go play Warhammer!"
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LuthienTinuviel
Amarr The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting. 
Points the village idiot to the account management page and asks him to tell me where the CCP refund my remaining subscription and cancel my account with immediate effect button is ... Oh thats right doesn't exist guess I will just have to while away my remaining 40 days sub reminiscing about how good CCP used to be before any decent devs buggered off to WOD online.
CCP - You are now entering the twilight zone where bugs are features and features are bugs |

Takashi Setsu
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: LuthienTinuviel
Originally by: Mashie Saldana I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting. 
Points the village idiot to the account management page and asks him to tell me where the CCP refund my remaining subscription and cancel my account with immediate effect button is ... Oh thats right doesn't exist guess I will just have to while away my remaining 40 days sub reminiscing about how good CCP used to be before any decent devs buggered off to WOD online.
Please get off this forum and make good on your threats. If EvE sucks go else where. Bye bye.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn
Only in my dreams... They are too busy spamming the forums. "Oh noes! CCP is actually charging for thier product! No! We got it for free once. Now we have to payz! Noooo! Give us free game now or wez will go play Warhammer!"
One of the dumbest posts on this thread. You wouldnÆt know, as you have quite clearly not read any of it.
The removal of "Ghost Training" |

LuthienTinuviel
Amarr The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi Setsu
Originally by: LuthienTinuviel
Originally by: Mashie Saldana I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting. 
Points the village idiot to the account management page and asks him to tell me where the CCP refund my remaining subscription and cancel my account with immediate effect button is ... Oh thats right doesn't exist guess I will just have to while away my remaining 40 days sub reminiscing about how good CCP used to be before any decent devs buggered off to WOD online.
Please get off this forum and make good on your threats. If EvE sucks go else where. Bye bye.
No worries I am leaving but in the meantime I reserve the right to **** off about CCP that my 3 & 3/4 years of paying subscription to them have earned me oh and if you want me of this forum I suggest you start by using the report button .
CCP - You are now entering the twilight zone where bugs are features and features are bugs |

Ketanina
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Posted - 2008.10.20 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Ketanina
Originally by: Soma Khan
Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None.
it was a documented feature. big ****up in my book declaring it a bug when convenient.
CCP can declare anything they want. Your "book" doesn't count for shit.
lol, it counts for me. do you have something productive?
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yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2008.10.20 02:12:00 -
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WAAAHH I WANT FREE TRAINING *BANGS FISTS AND FEET ON THE FLOOR* I WANT MA TAGETS TO STAY STILL. NERF NANOS *CRYS AND IS GENERALLY EMO WAAAAAHHHHH 
eve: the new generation
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.10.20 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Davina Braben on 20/10/2008 02:27:52
Quote: Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None. After all, playing this game (or even paying for it!) is completely optional, anyone can leave at any time. The fact that CCP is giving you the privilege to vent your angst on their forums is commendable, and is much more than most other commercial enterprises would allow.
Have to <> Should.
Customer goodwill is very important, especially for a company in the MMO business.
They aren't selling us sprockets or widgets here. They're providing a service.
Quote: Another fact is that the reasons that were given are good enough for any reasonable adult. If you feel those reasons are wrong, and there are others much more to your liking, that is your personal problem. Draw your own conclusions and move on.
It is only a fact in the sense that you believe it to be true.
Quote: Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
Clearly the reasons they gave are not "good enough" for any "reasonable adult" or this would have been a much shorter, much more congratulatory thread.
Most of the reasons they gave made little or no sense and smacked of the most obfuscated PR bullshittery imaginable. Fibbing to the customer makes them cranky and argumentative.
I'd guess that the same announcement minus the bullshit and plus a week or a fortnight's grace period ("Guys, the economy has gone **** up and we really need every penny of subscription revenue at the moment because Gordon Brown stole our servers in London so as of the 22nd...") would have gotten a much less hostile response.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.20 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting. 
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Tiberius Decius
Capital Bombardment
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Posted - 2008.10.20 03:36:00 -
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i was heading towards an eve break for awhile and had just finished setting up carrier 5 (55day training) on my main while i took a break. Now why would i want to resub my account? Now my main wont have decent enough skills for the mothership my alt was putting together. Im not paying for 2 months of eve just so my main's skill can tick over. But yet my alt's constuction time in the POS will still continue....
Especially since it now cost me double the money to subscribe to an account.(AUD almost halved to the USD)
Economicly hard times lets cut down our net turnover = stupid... Who the hell is running your finances?
Maybe ill come back someday when you have an expansion worthy of subscribing for, but until then fallout 3 and diablo 3 here i come
-3 accounts.
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.20 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ketanina
Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Ketanina
Originally by: Soma Khan
Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None.
it was a documented feature. big ****up in my book declaring it a bug when convenient.
CCP can declare anything they want. Your "book" doesn't count for shit.
lol, it counts for me. do you have something productive?
Sure. How about you get a job that allows you the means to pay for your own entertainment, instead of leaching it off a company by trying to shame it into charity? ___
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Kage Psychodin
Caldari The Empire Nation Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.20 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: LuthienTinuviel
Originally by: Mashie Saldana I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting. 
Points the village idiot to the account management page and asks him to tell me where the CCP refund my remaining subscription and cancel my account with immediate effect button is ... Oh thats right doesn't exist guess I will just have to while away my remaining 40 days sub reminiscing about how good CCP used to be before any decent devs buggered off to WOD online.
The first one - you knew the terms when you signed up. this would never happen with any MMO, period.
The second one is just hilarious, though. I don't think they'd put quite as many devs on that project, seeing as how its likely gonna tank. (WOD as an RPG system and universe is terrible.) Another one bites the dust. |

IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.20 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan dribble
i've read lots of your replys now and ive come to the conclusion that, as a kid, you must have been very good at putting your hands over your ears and going LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
i always wondered why certain things in the world could have been, but seeing that there are people like you happily eating shit, just because the spoon is called eve and its actualy a very good concept makes me understand....
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Staberind
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Posted - 2008.10.20 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
Originally by: Azraeljbs I myself have monitored the character bazaar and noticed a huge jump in activity over the last week.
See, it WAS mostly character farmers using the feature, and now that it's gone, they're selling off their stock.. ;-)
Was mostly? so, despite the fact that the game mechanic was abused in this way, they did not take a more surgical approach, considering they can remove an account, remove alts from accounts etc, or change other factors of the game; like not allowing offline trained alts to be sold so easily. they decided to do this. Farmers exploited a mechanism. the majority of players are farmers now? nope, i was at the point where i could take advantage of this feature, like FIVE years of people before me, and it goes kerplunk. thats my personal gripe. and seeing that the farmed alts are on sale now, just adds insult to injury.
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.20 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan
Sure. How about you get a job that allows you the means to pay for your own entertainment, instead of leaching it off a company by trying to shame it into charity?
I have enough ISK to buy several YEARS of time at current GTC prices. Will I? No. There goes the validity of your whole job stab.
When unsubscribed there is *ZERO* entertainment to be had from eve. No forum whoring, no pewing, no ratting, no squat. The entertainment comes when the customer re-subs. How hard is this to understand?
If I never re-sub it doesn't matter if all my skills trained to V in the meantime or not. If I do re-sub, that's when I get the entertainment. No leeching involved.
This is very simple. CCP reduced the value offered by the service with this nerf. Value it cost them nothing to provide. This doesn't benefit most players in any appreciable way, and only time will tell if it benefits CCP's finances.
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Nitro G
Gallente C.R.I.M.E
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Posted - 2008.10.20 06:05:00 -
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I rarely post, but this feature, or 'bug' as CCP calls it, was the only reason I have been playing for 5,6 years now. Many times I have left to play other games, knowing I would not be returning to eve a month or 2 behind my community, SP wise.
I used to be proud to tell people I was a player of Eve for almost 6 years. But now I realize that CCP never intended to keep a loyal customer satisfied. I don't even feel like expressing my disappointment as it would probably take a blunt and time that I no longer have 2 spend on this game. My 30 bucks a month will discontinue until CCP changes their mind about this 'fix'.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.20 06:09:00 -
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Dropped 3 accounts in protest. No, you cannot have my stuff.
Fact of the matter is that Eve has not been fun for me. I don't get much time to play anymore and I have never knowingly ghost trained any of my accounts with the exception of one time where it dropped for a week due to a card getting declined due to a CCP billing glitch. Then I was aware that it kept training along.
Thing is, I won't be coming back simply because I know that when I do come back I will be behind the curve. I cant turn on carrier 5 and do real life for awhile and take a break.
So, CCP, after all these years I have paid $2,600 into your coffers. Since you think I am some kind of leech because I got a week of 'free' training time so be it. This leech just took $45 a month from you.. and while that may not seem like a lot I won't exactly be bringing in new friends either.
I wish you luck in your business endeavors, because not many people are right now.
I got a lot of good years out of eve, I met a lot of good people and made friends here. I think that was worth more than $2,600 so I don't feel cheated in any way and none of you should either. Vote with your wallet.
Regards, Long time customer that cannot sit by and watch you hurt people that simply need a break.
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Shadow Agony
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Posted - 2008.10.20 06:33:00 -
[4617]
- 1 acc
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Nemar Tel'Narin
Capital Idea
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Posted - 2008.10.20 07:21:00 -
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One last comment on this subject from me about my opinion of all this.
If CCP spent half as much time fixing bugs as they do tyring to come up with more ways to make more money we'd have a pretty nice game. I mean even simple fix's which take LESS code and effort then almost anything they've done remain as they have for long time now.
Take for instance the whole sex thing in eve. Meaning male/female of course. Now we have female corpse's yet you pod a female char with a bounty and the mail still says "HIS HEAD" and not HER head. Priorities just like with any other large corporation are askew.
Cheap mans Siggy
Catamarack: Nem, your momma's so fat, BoB thought she was a region and claimed her.
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Dr Kalkyl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.20 07:27:00 -
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Sad to say but I think this new feature will make me go from partly inactive to permanently inactive :( With what little time I have to play there's no point in paying just to get some training. Good luck to ye all.
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Chani Fedaykin
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Posted - 2008.10.20 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan Fact is, CCP did not have to give any reasons whatsoever to remove this freebie. None. After all, playing this game (or even paying for it!) is completely optional, anyone can leave at any time. The fact that CCP is giving you the privilege to vent your angst on their forums is commendable, and is much more than most other commercial enterprises would allow.
i already stated, that even if i dont think its a good move, i would not object it, if ccp would have been announced that they remove it ... for some VALID reasons.
Originally by: Soma Khan Another fact is that the reasons that were given are good enough for any reasonable adult. If you feel those reasons are wrong, and there are others much more to your liking, that is your personal problem. Draw your own conclusions and move on.
the fact is, that obviously they are good enough for you - which only shows, that you dont care about the reasons given. they could have told you, that they got a phone call of a jove agent, who told them that ghost training should be removed, otherwise the jove empire would take over eve. this statement would have the same validity for any reasonable adult as the few currently given reasons by ccp. |
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