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Hulk x
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:27:00 -
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1)This was one feature that I did not use but joined the game because of it. It was always reassuring that my skills did not stop just because my credit card expired or I forgot to renew. You should give some kind of time between payment stops and skill being stopped.
2)If you do implement this then do not act like its a bug and explain your actions.
3)Many people train long skills the "PAY" again and change the skill. Or sell the char and "PAY" again to transfer it. They are paying customers if you did not realize it. And they isk they get is also used in the game guess for what? Paying for GTC which someone has "PAID" for and sold it for isk.
4)Where is skill queuing now that you have fixed this bug?
5)Where is notification that you could not charge my Credit Card with out cutting me off?
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:28:00 -
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I don't really care either way as I have never ghost trained.
MMOs need goodwill between the player base and the developers and I don't think this change will do much for goodwill.
I think a better way would have been to eliminate ghost training but give something back in return.
You wouldn't have got the kind of negative feedback if you a) admitted that it was freely given in the past and not a bug that needed fixing but CCP was losing a lot of revenue that could have been put back into the game.
And b), to compensate for the change CCP is implementing a training scheduler into the account management section of the website which will allow you to alter what is currently being trained and queue up skills to be trained allowing players to maximize their training and be able to alter training outside of the client. Kinda like EVEMon but only that the planner will change what is currently being trained.
I think people would have thought it is a shame to lose ghost training but we are getting a fantastic tool instead. A big negative for me is if I go away for 3 months I lose a lot of training unless I get someone else to manage it and that isn't ideal.
ATM players are losing a feature that was a selling point of the game and getting nada in return. Not the best "people management" strategy.
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xOmGx
Warriors tribe Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:28:00 -
[1323]
Yes kill production/RP generation/Trade offers...
If ppl's telling the truth and iven with credit card non stop subscribtion thay can have 1 day inactive... and if production stops (meaning loosing of all materialls).. and if this charr will be involven in Titan/mothership construction, well you got my point.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: xOmGx i cheked few names thay are not exist in eve anymore... so it's true ppl's deleting their accaunts
... or those of your friends you arranged to check have recycled their posting alts....
We'll see that same about this as we've seen for all other emoragequit issues... 5 players out of the 5000 threatening to do so will quit, with 4 of them coming back within a month or two....
Nobody likes to do without their free lunch, but they'll accept paying for lunch when they get hungry.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Vandenberg Right now I run 3 accounts. By the end of this year it will be only 1. Why? Because I cannot Ghost-Train anymore.
-2 accounts
Mike Vandenberg
Your "tone" suggests this is a bad thing (and whether it is for CCPs bottom line or not - shrug - they know best). But to me that sounds *good*.
A bunch of alts gone that don't get played much - perhaps kept in incubation to be sold later - hurray.
Of course when you say "run 3 accounts" you made it sound all impressive - but actually you don't usually "run" those 2 accounts or GT would not be an issue for you. So it's anything between 1.5 to 2.x accounts - depending on your percentage of GT months.
Somebody else canceling 6 accounts due to GT - probably only a net loss of ca 1-3 accounts.
I would love to see a statistic about how many people threatening to quit over something actually do go ahead with it and never come back. I'm sure it's less than 100% - but could be anything between 10 or 90. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
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Miss CJB
Gallente In White Suits
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:29:00 -
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theres more than once person in ccp? right?
how can 2 or more people make such a monumentaly stupid decision?
nobody wins in this situation, not eavon ccp.
i have as many accounts active as i can afford to have active. the change just means instead of haveing 7 accounts w/ 3-5 active, i will now only have 3 accounts. as you can see, ccp is clearly loseing money.
the dev blog is aload of ball ****, its full of lies AND was published half a day befor its due to go live. get the fealing there trying to sneek this one under the raidar? then realised that if people dont know about it, they cant resub there alts, so better tell them.
i have to admit, i am flabagasted that ccp, not only could consider doing this, but do it with only 1/2 a days notace, with aload of boched up excuses which a 2 yearold could see through.
comeone ccp, what happend to the days when you listend to your playerbase?
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant
CCP/EVE is nothing like SoE/SWG.
No they are not, but they are trying to be. That is what makes it all moronic. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Tzaris
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:31:00 -
[1328]
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
I dont like when someone who takes my money lies to me in return...
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Confuzer
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Confuzer on 14/10/2008 09:33:40 I totally agree on the change. I was a bug, and it was weird is was never fixed.
But:
- Why now? With the economic thing. Your timing sucks and you know it.
- "But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior in a way that we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions."
Right, no way it weighs heavy in any way. You use indexes and start timers for a skill which act on events from clients. We are talking about a row coupling a user to a skill he is training and a start time. That's it. Did you get bilions of new users all of a sudden? Because your database can take MUCH, and you know it. So avalanche? not really. And if so, please explain this to a fellow programmer? ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
yarrmarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wodanonline well i understand. But at least be honest and say its a way to make more money for ccp.
dont use lame excuses that are true but is not the real reason.
this.
what a sneaky move CCP. nailing customers is never a good businessmodel in the long run. add my two accounts to the thrashlist.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:38:00 -
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First the F*** about with GTC pricing and cause GTC for ISK to increase drastically.
Now alot of people running multiple account cannot afford to keep them all active and so have taken to "ghost" Training on a few account and rotating them around. So CCP nerf that.
Unless you are in a huge corp that can field Blobs, Nano is your only option of remaining "relatively" safe. Nerf is coming on that.
All the new feature of the game seem to be aimed at New players.
A game that is 5 years old will find it difficult to compete for new players, not impossible as Eve gets its fair share but it will never get 1 million new customer in a month releasing a new player feature.
CCP you should realise that most of your income comes from player who have been around for years and all your doing at the moment is going round hitting all your paying customer with a nerf bat.
Look at your current stratagy and change it because right now your walking down a path to destruction especially when there are new competitors in the making.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 14/10/2008 09:40:49 This should have been done 4 years ago if you didn't intend this "feature".
Not now.
The only way I can see this being implemented with just a bit of grumbling instead of an outcry is if you would have implemented a proper skill que and "needed" to disable ghost training to avoid year long skill plans being "ghost trained". --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Gaurina
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:42:00 -
[1333]
I don't know why I'm replying to this topic since it will most likely just get lost in the flood of replies, but here goes.
I first started playing this game in end of April 2006 and have since then only taken one break from it for about 6 months or so. It was really lovely to return to the game on 2 accounts with battleship trained to lvl5 while I was away. I actually didn't plan on returning but was glad that I did because since then I've been playing almost non stop and along the way I have met a lot of people and made good friends.
Being Icelandic and all I suddenly faced having to pay double or even triple the amount for my next subscription compared to my last and being the optimistic I am, I believe that we as a nation will recover very soon. Because of this current crisis I saw myself forced to cancel my subscription on all 3 accounts to be able to pay my other bills and keep on living. I do not have a mission alt (yet) that I can use to make ISK and buy GTC, I don't have high end moons that can pay my subscription and my industry is just big enough to pay for my ships. I don't have these things because I don't believe that when I come home from work I should get to another one, EvE is entertainment to me and not work.
2 weeks after I cancel my subscription this announcement comes. I feel that I'm being betrayed by the company that I've paid so much money to and shown support and dedication to over the years.
Support from CCP has been going downhill for the past months in my opinion and this is just the icing on cake, cherry on top, r·sfnan f pylsuendanum... ( icelandic saying, no need to translate but it's not rude ). This lack of support is between me and CCP and I will not go into that further.
So where do I stand?
I was going to leave my 3 subscriptions inactive for about 2 or 3 months while the current crisis balanced itself out and renew it after that time. From day one of my playing this feature has been enabled and I've actually advertised the game to people with this feature as one of the best. I can't keep my subscription active for the time being and with this latest move from CCP I see absolutely no reason to reactivate my accounts once things balance out.
Enough whine, time to get some cheese.
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Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:44:00 -
[1334]
Originally by: Midas Man
all your doing at the moment is going round hitting all your paying customer with a nerf bat.
It certainly doesn't cause me any problems at all so it's not 'all your paying customer' [sic]. As I've said, my only concern is that it's a change for changes sake and as someone else has pointed out, this has a chance to work out to less income for CCP. After all, if an account is being ghost-trained for a while, it's very likely that it will be resubbed to put something in the queue.
If people could be less inflammatory and more constructive, we've a better chance of CCP listening to us.
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Sean Drake
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sean Drake on 14/10/2008 09:54:30 GREED the only quick answer to this garbage
So they increased the cost of GTC's and then this watch for the incoming price hike on subs.
Either there econemy collapsing has hit them hard or quite frankly they want to downsize EvE to free up resources on there new project without having to spend money to hire new ppl.
and incase you had not guessed then this is a bad idea it was a bad idea a few years ago when they anounced it last time and then back tracked so hopefully they will take there heads out of there rectums long eniough to do the same again.
Welcome to the end days is that fiddling I can hear
If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
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Kayoshu
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:51:00 -
[1336]
This should have been announced BEFORE "the power of 2" offer !!
Reasons you explain are lies, and method is completely dishonest
There is the horrific smell of marketing people in there, marketing will kill this game
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Sean Drake
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:51:00 -
[1337]
Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: Delos Korelian
Originally by: Jinx Barker
... ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit.
Aint that the truth
Qft
Oh and this
If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
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Xultanis
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:52:00 -
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CCP, you have a loyal player base here. Yes, things did go shady with the whole BoB incident, and then with the GTC's, and now the ghost training.
Just tell the players honestly what is going on for once. It doesn't hurt you in any way to be honest with us for once. Is CCP in trouble with the financials and do you need help?
Don't take ghost training out completely. Bring back the 30 and 90 gtc's at their regular prices. Ghost training has been around for 4 to 5 years, its not a bug. Your going to lose A lot of subscriptions this way. Think about it mathematically.
1 player has 3 to 4 accounts. 1 or 2 of them always running, which the others coming online at some point. Thats 4 accounts from one paying costumer, even with them overlaping, so you might get payed for 2 subscriptions in one month.
Now bring that back to 1. You guys should have a financials department and I'm pretty sure 1 is smaller than 2 or 3 or 4 (who does have the highest number of accounts??)
Talk to the community at let everyone help you guys through this if your actually hurting. I don't see how you telling your player base you need help is going to hurt you. We love this game and want to keep it alive, what your doing is killing it, and its not dying sweetly....no its running around choking on its own vomit and exiting its own bodily fluids. Its like watching a wounded animal die from some kinda slow extremely painful disease.
Even if its for a little while I would glady pay for a $5 fee to keep my skills training while my account is inactive for whatever time you guys need to get out of this economic crisis. Some money is better then no money right?
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:56:00 -
[1339]
I actually like this change, just make sure inactive players don't gain RP's and their production/research jobs get paused (not cancelled) during inactivity.
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xOmGx
Warriors tribe Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:56:00 -
[1340]
i think BoB incident is forbiden theme here..
But ya GM/CCP Employee givint EXPENSIVE stuff for free...
Did anyone got ship refunding, ships wich has been destroyed by Illegaly build titan?... don't think so.
CCP.. No Pain - No Gain |
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Rekkakuski
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:57:00 -
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Even when I have been playing other games, I always paid my 2 accounts, just because ofghost training. I had a reason to activate my accounts.
Now that I play Wow (yeah, I know) little more active, I still *paid* for my 2 accounts, even tho I ghost trained them too. That will end now. I just sell my other account for isk and let other to run out of paid time. I might come back, but it's unlikely.
I have no motivation to pay anymore since I can't train as I have used to.
I didn't like the way GTC's was changed, but this was the last thing I am willing to bear. You REALLY want people to try other games?
And guess what? Most of them won't come back. You did notice that AoC lost most of it's players since things start to suck there and there is alternatives these days. Lagging servers are NOT norm on games anymore.
"So long and thanks for all the fish!"
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:59:00 -
[1342]
Originally by: Skogen Gump
It certainly doesn't cause me any problems at all so it's not 'all your paying customer' [sic].
This will stop alot of people training alts, hell I have 2 account that i don't use anymore but have keep resubbing and training on for almost a year, as I can no longer train them with out full subscription they wont be getting any sub from them ever again.
And as much as you feel safe in that bubble, you will be affected quite badly when subs start sliding.
You can see from all the GTC fiasko that CCP are hard pushed for cash, they may get paid in ú & $ but the Iceland flop will be having its effect.
Everyday the "Loyal" customer base is facing nerf and ramification that they are very vocal in disagreeing with.
All MMO's that make change that P*** off large portions of there community lose large portions of the community.
The GTC stuff was bad, the speed nerf is bad check the size and number of flame post in all dev blogs about it.
And this 1 blog has got almost 1500 replies in less than 12 hours of being published
Go Figure
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Neonoodle
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Neonoodle on 14/10/2008 10:02:53 Edited by: Neonoodle on 14/10/2008 10:02:04 Oh Well.
-4 accounts from me, Thank god i didnt act upon my urge to take part in the power of 2 for that Amarr character i wanted. Also pleased i only ordered EON #13 and not renewed for another yearly subscription.
Least i will have new skills and stuff to play with after i come back from 6 months in real life serving Queen and Country in Afghanistain, no wait a minute....................
P.s no you all cant have my stuff, its all going to one account that i might reactivate, one maybe.
P.s.s Takening market orders off and stopping RP on inactive acounts would sit ok with me, but this is disgusting, and thanks for the months or warning.
Neonoodle
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Sergil
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:00:00 -
[1344]
Quote: Username:... Payment Type:EVE Time Code Subscription Status:Active Expires:11/8/2008 1:39:51 PM Extend Transactions made:7
Account will not be payed in November. He will sit offline and imagine that he train something interesting. May be he will be payed later. May be not.
CCP, don't lie to customers that always-existing thing, described in the User's Guide, is a bug. Don't lie, CCP!
------- Less money for CCP in next months! Don't pay for your alts! CCP, don't lie!
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Nex Abyssus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:00:00 -
[1345]
and still no response from ccp?
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Hurint
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:01:00 -
[1346]
Originally by: Jinx Barker
... ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit.
qft - stop attacking your fans... if you can even call us that any more
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Zumatha
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:02:00 -
[1347]
when is jumpgate evolution comming out again? see you there!
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dmxandrei
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:03:00 -
[1348]
CCP can try to explain their actions all they want we all know its because they're greedy ..they changed the GTC system ....and now they'll stop ghost training. If i would have been a money hungry corporation i would have probably done the same things to force the gamers to pay more money.... Soon enough you will remove even GTC payment. And they mean to tell us that from the begining of EVE ... they couldn't h ave fixed "THIS BUG" untill now? this is so beyound crap .... this is a reason why people had 2-3 accounts ....and now im not sure thata there will be so many people who will have more then one accounts.... And let me point out why this ghost training is NOT a bug....IF A PLAYER TRAINS BS LVL 5 WHICH TAKES ABOUT 30 DAYS AND HIS ACCOUNT EXPIRES HE WILL DEFINETLY PAY HIS SUBSCRIPTION BEFORE THAT SKILL IS OVER ... GHOST TRAINING ATRACTED MORE GAMERS
It seems players have to pay more and more....but when there are petitions ingame gamemasters aren't that willingly to cooperate...they seem somehow stubborn....instead of helping people they ban people...
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Stebbi
General Snus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:03:00 -
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Economic crisis should not hit CCP that hard because their income is in USD and EUR so they can easily match their income vs cost. I don't think the change itself is bad but the way they announced it is VERY strange. Gave us 2 day warning and then talk about unintended feature... they must think we are idiots!
I have canceled my subscription for now because I live in Iceland and I still have to pay in EUR and the price has more than doubled in the last few months. I smell greed like other players and in times like we are facing it is the last think I want to support.
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Sha Dar
eXceeded DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:04:00 -
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I've never used this so called "bug" but tbh, I really think they don't give a damn.
The expected avalanche of subscribers when the "Guinea Pig" patch i.e Ambulation hits, will more than compensate for any accounts lost over this, yet another, ccp screwup.
We get to be free beta testers for their new MMO, their sub numbers go up when all the second life sheep and "Omg, i don't care about bugs and shite customer support and stuff, i'll resub just for an avatar" pile in and their bottom line increases... equal ccp - happy.
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