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Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shmekla "I must... advance...I must... advance. even if account suspended" Don't you think this is weird?
You dont know why the people are angry.
Call a spade a spade, and not treat the customers as IDIOTS and smiley face it
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Alerion
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:22:00 -
[1382]
The only mistake CCP is making is in trying to explain why they make this change.
They don't need to explain anything. It was a feature that (by design or mistake, probably the latter) was allowed to be in-game for far too long.
People started abusing it on a grander scale that leads to problems with character farming and such. Feature removed. Shut up and go back to playing and paying.
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MissileBella
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:22:00 -
[1383]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar Bye.
Noone will miss you
Thanks for not making lag!
Snowflakes.
You might not miss one, but when there's no snow to enjoy you'll give anything to catch one on your tongue again.
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Nackturion
Minmatar Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:23:00 -
[1384]
Tbh, i'm in the crowd that always found it a bit odd this was allowed to begin with. Personally, to advance skills, a person should have to pay (even though in general I dislike Eve's skill system) but in the end, you should not get benefits from an MMO unless you pay for it, of any kind (unless it's stated as a free MMO, such as Guild Wars, ofc). It's that simple. The way CCP allowed Ghost Training essentially equated to them giving out free 'play' time, if you take into account that in Eve you dont play to advance your character abilities, as you do in other MMO's.
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Commander Criton
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:25:00 -
[1385]
Hmm... Not a fan of this change and as others have said if it is to improve the database then the other database driven actions shoould also not work on inactive accounts lol the account should be completely inactive..... Also what next Inactive accounts/characters will be deleted after a certain time to free up the database....
P.S Skill queuing needs to be considered.
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:25:00 -
[1386]
Originally by: MissileBella
Originally by: Lothris Andastar Bye.
Noone will miss you
Thanks for not making lag!
Snowflakes.
You might not miss one, but when there's no snow to enjoy you'll give anything to catch one on your tongue again.
Even if a third of eve emoragequits, CCP wont feel a thing as all they need to do is cancel hardware upgrades needed to deal with all you whiners :)
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TwoShoes
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:25:00 -
[1387]
Originally by: Admrl Cain
CCP disgusts me on so many levels. Specially this one:
F'ing OWND!
What really ****es me off is back in the day, I highly respected Wrangler. Now he's a Liar and a thief in many ways, just like CCP.
Seems to be an epidemic in Iceland this last couple of weeks seeing as Landsbanki owe the UK tax payers about ú1Bill, maybe CCP and Landsbanki learnt their business skills in the same place.
Or maybe this is just revenge for the UK gov, seizing Icelandic assets in the UK under anit-terror laws.
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Skeltem
Amarr Trident Future Technologies
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:26:00 -
[1388]
"Ghost Training" for me and most players I know of was a distinguishing feature of EVE. A reason why many players still had an active account on and off. Now you ****ed them off. It sure isn't for no reason at all. Icelandic bunkrupt und such. But maybe you latecomers to economic "wisdom" just shot your own foot.
Time will tell.
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Turismo
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:26:00 -
[1389]
Edited by: Turismo on 14/10/2008 10:27:53 CCP,
This 'bug fix' combined with the 60 day GTC cards will reduce the number of players returning after breaks as well as the number of alts. I have a couple of concerns:
1) Are you guys ready for a market crash? I think this may get completely out of control.
Market demand will drop as discontinued alts or retiring mains no longer need equipment. They also owned a lot of gear. People will start dumping items and ships they can no longer fly on active accounts.
If your remaining player base no longer can earn the same isk through mining, trading and industry how will they stay motivated to keep playing? You not only have too much isk in Eve, there is also too much stuff. You need as many accounts as you can get because satifaction for players in Eve depends on growth. You think fleet battles and FW will keep us going?
2) If your player base is struggling to maintain specialized alts, how much interest do you think there will be in any new features you may have planned to keep us hooked? Exploration was skill intensive if you wanted to do it, and FW restricts your ability to move around in Empire. Both features were ideal for alts, but restricitve for main characters.
I hope you re-consider this proposed change. Sadly, I doubt you will. I am sure you are expecting a sudden drop in subscriptions but that it will be revenue negative as players are keeping payments up to date. It is very likely that in a year's time you will be wondering why your player base is still declining.
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Nex Abyssus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:26:00 -
[1390]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: MissileBella
Originally by: Lothris Andastar Bye.
Noone will miss you
Thanks for not making lag!
Snowflakes.
You might not miss one, but when there's no snow to enjoy you'll give anything to catch one on your tongue again.
Even if a third of eve emoragequits, CCP wont feel a thing as all they need to do is cancel hardware upgrades needed to deal with all you whiners :)
more veldspa for you then
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Drakir Nossral
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Geanos Edited by: Geanos on 14/10/2008 10:14:48 Well, nice one CCP. A feature that kept me in for a long time and made me return to the game when I was taking a break, has now transformed into a bug.
Quoting from your own player guide: "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).". Here is the page
Account status: suspended. I don't like companies that trick the costumers.
CCP you just lost my accounts !!!!
Fly safe
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Heomos Ricedi
Russian SOBR
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:26:00 -
[1392]
Originally by: Piter deVriend
Let's see how CCP people will react at FanFest with all the stunts they pulled the past year. Who brings the tomatoes?
Yeah, watching Fanfest can be mutch more exciting than everybody thought ;)
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Dracorimus
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:27:00 -
[1393]
Well, -1 for me too, I suppose the long awaited lag fix is here after all............
Blatent lies dont sit too well. . ≡v≡ powered |
MissileBella
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:27:00 -
[1394]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Even if a third of eve emoragequits, CCP wont feel a thing as all they need to do is cancel hardware upgrades needed to deal with all you whiners :)
I don't understand your point. But kudos to your fanboism.
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Piter deVriend
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:28:00 -
[1395]
Originally by: TwoShoes
Originally by: Admrl Cain
CCP disgusts me on so many levels. Specially this one:
F'ing OWND!
What really ****es me off is back in the day, I highly respected Wrangler. Now he's a Liar and a thief in many ways, just like CCP.
Seems to be an epidemic in Iceland this last couple of weeks seeing as Landsbanki owe the UK tax payers about ú1Bill, maybe CCP and Landsbanki learnt their business skills in the same place.
Or maybe this is just revenge for the UK gov, seizing Icelandic assets in the UK under anit-terror laws.
Hahaha, Netherlands - Iceland soccermatch. Icelandic humor with a banner showing "We have your money". Appearently, Iceland has jack-shit.
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myrddhyn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:28:00 -
[1396]
CCP plz fire the idiot that came up with this idea; short term planning is bad. The guys probably gonna run off with your money and in a year leave the rest of the guys that are really intrested in the game and a good game experience hanging. This feature doesn't really affect me but i still think it stinks. To the people hailing this new 'patch' hope you get a free beer out of this on the fanfest.
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Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:28:00 -
[1397]
Originally by: OneSock
Just
One of the many things that attracts me to EVE is the mature playerbase, thanks for re-affirming my faith!
But on a serious note, if you were reading threads here, sure it's clear that a lot of people are unhappy (to put it bluntly) but would you be more willing to concede to 46 pages of people calling you names, or to 46 pages of people pointing out why it's a bad idea, likely to hit CCP in the wallet ?
If CCP have a good reason to enforce this change, that has a noticeable effect on the subscribing players then I support it; but if not - please reconsider it CCP! At least, consider giving the players a reason to maintain subscriptions - letting more then one 'toon train on an account (like most every other MMO!) would be very welcome!
(yeah, I realise I'm being hopelessly optimistic, it seems that the only group that gets answered nowadays are the ones that complain the most)
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NicotineBuzz
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:29:00 -
[1398]
We are almost at 49 pages... subject to be locked soon. After "Disabling ghost training - the blog edition", prepare yourself for "Disabling ghost training - the podcast edition", because nobody can complain XD Is April in October in Iceland?O.o "Since this has caused a lot of debate we've decided to explain why we are making this change in a new Dev Blog by t0rfifrans:" Sorry but the explanation was?...
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:29:00 -
[1399]
Originally by: Torfi Frans Olafsson
There was a way to progress a character in EVE without an active subscription CCP noticed a surge in the trend and decided to fix the leak Players now have to pay a subscription for characters to have them progress We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online
Funny thing is, you brought this on yourselves. It was clear GTC changes was going to result in massive account cancelling. So massive enough that you even "disabled" a bug.
This stinks, all this makes me think you already planned this when GTC changes were first made.
Originally by: Jinx Barker
I have been saying this for a long time, ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit.
So true...
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Fenrill Nerkata
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Fenrill Nerkata on 14/10/2008 10:32:28
Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature
Only one word : Liar.
For those who say proof of stfu, here is my proof :
1- hosted out of CCP server before CCP change it : http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=proofxz3.jpg
2- Quoting original host on CCP's Tutorial :
Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off. If you want to switch skills, you can simply do so by starting another skill training. The points gained on the previous skill will not be lost, but you don't benefit from the training until the level is fully completed. The highest level for any skill is Level 5, but some skills also have an advanced version. Some of those advanced skills influence the same area as the basic version, others only a related area.
Source
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: NicotineBuzz We are almost at 49 pages... subject to be locked soon. After "Disabling ghost training - the blog edition", prepare yourself for "Disabling ghost training - the podcast edition", because nobody can complain XD Is April in October in Iceland?O.o "Since this has caused a lot of debate we've decided to explain why we are making this change in a new Dev Blog by t0rfifrans:" Sorry but the explanation was?...
we were at 49 pages, untill ccp started playing **** moderation ;)... whats wrong dont like people showing you how much of a liar you guys are?
balance LOL -----------------------------------------------
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Shoopinou
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:33:00 -
[1402]
And the RP gain, sell/buy orders aren't shut down with the account ?
Then this decision isn't based so much about equity
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:33:00 -
[1403]
You guys are losing track of the real issue here. Iceland is literally bankrupt guys. This is no joke. Iceland is having to beg the most corrupt institution in the world (the IMF/World Bank) for money. While we all see companies go bankrupt and some of you might have lost jobs because of that imagine it on a nation wide scale!
They raised the price of time cards so they were in line with other MMO's. That is understandable and normal. They were allowing players to play for one month for free, that got changed. I have never been for ghost training and have only done it when my subsciptions ran out and couldn't pay that instance.
You guys need to stop accusing CCP of being greedy. CCP might have lost a lot of money when Icelandic banks collapsed, so they might have a hard time ahead of them.
What the real issue is CCP not telling us beforehand and not consulting with the players. The CSM exists for a reason, or maybe not. Another thing is the way they tried to spin this. You guys should be picking a problem with their claims that this is a bug, while they claim it's "A long overdue and much needed change".
Stop the whining about greed. CCP might have hard times ahead of them. Keep complaining about their presentation, that should be the real problem. Farjung is my God
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:33:00 -
[1404]
SOE bought CCP? ________________________________________
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MMoroz
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:34:00 -
[1405]
Find your niche business and build around it - kinda basic rule for business.
Watching your late actions its clear you hired some dumb marketing kids who know shit about business ( they just have papers ). Give me call in 2 months when your income will drop 10-20% ( it will ;) ), cause it is obvious that you need fire your whole marketing department and hire some people with real knowledge.
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Karma
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:35:00 -
[1406]
how about a compromise... let it training continue for a week or two, but not longer.
this will help those people who get problems with recurring payments (account is set to keep running, money is available on the bank, but an error causes the account to be suspended anyway... training-time lost). and most of the advanced level 5 skills take three+ weeks to finish completely.
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Chris Tao
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:38:00 -
[1407]
I feel like i just watched the new Indiana Jones movie 500 times in a ROW
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Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:38:00 -
[1408]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Even if a third of eve emoragequits, CCP wont feel a thing as all they need to do is cancel hardware upgrades needed to deal with all you whiners :)
That totally made my day. :D
Do you seriously think hardware upgrades is the biggest cost for CCP? Or any gaming company for that matter?
No, I'm willing to bet my remaining GTCs on the fact that, like most companies out there, STAFF is the highest cost. That's right. Developers, GMs, managers, accountants, even the sweet old lady that cleans the office on thursdays.
Let's assume that even a fifth of the accounts in the game are cancelled due to this (or for that matter, the credit crunch that affect people's income all over the globe). This means that CCP's revenue takes a 20% hit. Unless CCP is making a sizable profit, they may end up in the red because of this. This will then result in layoffs. That means developers getting fired. That means GMs losing their jobs.
End result is, we get less out of our money. This affects paying customers as well as non-paying. This means that REAL features that we're waiting for may be delayed or cancelled, because CCP doesn't have as much staff anymore. This means that the TQ upgrades that would eliminate nodecrashes might be found too costly.
This means that we're getting shafted, people, paying customer or not.
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Higgins 5000
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:38:00 -
[1409]
- 3 accounts
really, what a great time to bring this out with the global economic crisis don't you think? a time when people are already looking for ways to limit what they spend on disposable entertainment.
no more 30 day time cards? screw you ccp, that was a real bunch of bullshit. but hey i still kept subscribed.
no more ghost training? then i refuse to give you any money. not one ****ing cent.
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Commander Criton
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Karma how about a compromise... let it training continue for a week or two, but not longer.
this will help those people who get problems with recurring payments (account is set to keep running, money is available on the bank, but an error causes the account to be suspended anyway... training-time lost). and most of the advanced level 5 skills take three+ weeks to finish completely.
Im guess its either let inactive accounts train skills or not proberly would take some extra coding to add a time delay.
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