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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:25:00 -
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I have max skills for SB, more than 20 solo kills and 5 loss over 6 months, SB vs t2 frigs (hitting f1-f2-f3 or activating mwd, without a tattic doenst work).
Cruise Exp Velocity < 100-150m/s? moving around alone with a SB is now a nosense, there is no way to slow down an inty or a t2 frig to that velocity.
I feel it's time to have a break from CCP devs.
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Eka Lawrencia Edited by: Eka Lawrencia on 22/10/2008 14:14:11
Originally by: ARGH69 the ship that i fully trained for and enjoy the most and fits my semi-afk lifestyle (you try raising kids and a wife and find time to commit to games)
Please calm down, we don't know the end of it yet. It may all be well. Max skills will make a difference, and maybe we need to change a rig or two.
That said, a dev comment on possible bomber changes would be sweet!
Devs dont care about Bomber pilots, we are few... they will provide new cruise missiles stat and new formula pre-nerfed.... dont worry, one day they will un-nerf. Like they did with BO
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.23 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fendahl We have finished the next round of missile tweaks both for T1 and T2 missiles. The T2 missiles have been overhauled significantly:
Rage/fury now do significantly more damage to larger targets (up to 28% more) compared to T1 missiles, but do very poor damage against targets of the same class and lower (if they are speed tanking).
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Torpedo is a BS weapon, and there is not a sub capital ship bigger than a BS. Are Rage Torpedos intended as anti capital weapon?
New attributes: sig 650m2 and exp velocity 61m/s
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.23 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fendahl Another update: Singularity was updated earlier today...
Most of the missile using ships get either range bonuses or damage bonuses, which is not an issue, but due to the changes in the missile damage formula we had to revise the following ships:
- Flycatcher: explosion radius bonus changed to -2% damage reduction factor per level.
- Heretic: explosion velocity bonus changed to +5% per level.
- Nighthawk: explosion radius bonus changed to +5% heavy missile explosion velocity per level.
- Golem: explosion velocity bonus changed to +5% per level.
The 5% explosion velocity per level bonuses gives a roughly even damage boost against all targets in the class below, whereas the damage reduction factor bonus is more effective against the smaller targets in the class below. The explosion velocity bonuses were changed to 5% since keeping the 10% bonuses would result in way too much damage against smaller targets. After some initial testing of the Flycatcher it seems that the damage reduction factor bonus needs to be increased a bit to be competitive. ....
What about SB? cruiser missile exp velocity is 106m/s (max skills), SB is effective only against BC/BS without ab/mwd.
Stealth bomber class is dead.
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.24 08:54:00 -
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From Devblog: "Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for
This is our celestial vision. "
Let me say that a BS with MWD should be 250-300 m/s max 'ludicrous' speed. 106m/s is the max exp velocity of a cruise missile and 71m/s for torpedo. In Sisi, a t1 fitted Domi with MWD is now immune to all BS missiles (cruise and torpedo).
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.24 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Vigaz From Devblog: "Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for
This is our celestial vision. "
Let me say that a BS with MWD should be 250-300 m/s max 'ludicrous' speed. 106m/s is the max exp velocity of a cruise missile and 71m/s for torpedo. In Sisi, a t1 fitted Domi with MWD is now immune to all BS missiles (cruise and torpedo).
This is in line with your celestial vision?
Complete nonsense. According to my calculations:
1. Domi moving at 124 m/s takes 100% damage from Cruise and 79% from torps. 2. Domi ABing at 337 m/s takes 58% damage from T1 Cruise and 73% from Precision Cruise. 3. Webbed Domi moving at 50 m/s takes 100% damage from Cruise and 93% from torps. 4. Webbed Domi ABing at 135 m/s takes 100% damage from Cruise and 72% from torps. 5. Painted Domi ABing at 337 m/s takes 79% damage from Cruise and 92% from Precision Cruise. 6. Webbed, painted Domi ABing at 135 m/s takes 100% damage from Cruise and 100% from torps.
The sky is not falling.
where did u find AB? I was speaking about MWD.
could you pls post your calculation regading MWD? Today I've done few tests on Sisi, I found one type of speed tank is to use mwd 10 secs on and 10 secs off. (more than 50% overall dmg reducion) Also do u mind if I ask you to give me your extreme positive vision for Stealth bombers? I think this class is dead, but I feel that u have some calculation to show me that sky isnt falling.
PS:pls do not tell me that I only need a rapier to kill a t1 frig with a SB (I guess a rapier alone can do that without a SB).
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Silver Sarena Walk softly CCP. You've been warned.
Is that a RL threat?
I guess so...
2x Subscription Status: Cancelled
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.28 16:09:00 -
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I've done this test:
Condor (t1 frig, without any module/rig fitted) VS Hound SB (t2 frig + fitting). The t1 frig needs 4/5 volley (50 sec) to explode... without AB or MWD!!!
SB is now less efficent than a t1 frig.
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.30 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Vigaz on 30/10/2008 11:29:35 Dear CCP, Can we have at least a word regarding SB? Even Gypsio III (he is always agree with CCP guideline that I suspect him to be part of the company ) wasn't able to say that it works as intended. pls look it. In Sisi it's dead.
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.10.30 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: dojocan81 as for the SB issue
Currently cruise missiles have a drf (Damage Reduction Factor) of 4,5 (fury = 4,7, prec = 3,5)
If SB's get a static bonus to reduce the drf on cruise missiles, i think this would solve the current problem with them, not hitting anymore small targets
but i think ccp want to make them more suitable against bigger ships than against smaller
SB + max skills + top fitting + race dmg bonus = 300dps against BC and bigger. A caracal (t1 cruiser) can do the same for less isk/SP.
It seems to me that CCP doenst have any ideas regarding SB (I guess it's not a priority for them). But It's a priority for me. Almost half of my time I fly SB.
here my stats: http://killboard.frontal-impact.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=40588&view=ships_weapons
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:33:00 -
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Stealth Bombers are broken due to the new cruise exp velocity and new missile dmg formula. Can we have a DEV comment about SB situation in Sisi?
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.11.03 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 03/11/2008 11:48:08
I'm amused that not only is the current lol-immunity of nanos to Cruise is being removed, but that Crash boosters, Guided Missile Precision and Target Painters are being made useful for missile users, and people are still finding reasons to whine.
There is a way to disable lol-immunity of nanos to cruise in TQ (not so easy, but still there is a possibility called webber).
In sisi all the cruise platfroms (especially Stealth bombers), are weaker against smaller target (very low dps/alpha due to new formula/missiles stat), also webber is weaker.
I belive that the final result of Cruise vs nanos is:
TQ: 0 dmg, but 1x webber is a risk (90% speed reduction=full cruise dmg, but it also means for the nano pilot problem to face to disengage).
Sisi: very low dmg, webber is lol (60% speed reduction=more cruise dmg but a nano pilot can easly compensate web effect overheating mwd +50%), only risk if there are 2x webbers 1x scrambler 1-2x TPs (read here blob).
BTW the best way to use cruise in PvP was anti support role (not against Nanos), now SB it's useless and a cruise raven is an anti-bs weapon with low DPS (very low DPS if the BS has an AB fitted).
I'm amused too.
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.11.03 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Vigaz There is a way to disable lol-immunity of nanos to cruise in TQ (not so easy, but still there is a possibility called webber).
Um...have you ever tried to fit a web, target painter, and AB/MWD on a raven at the same time? Here's a hint: it doesn't have enough mids to do that and still be survivable. It will have, at most, a three slot tank afterwards.
I tried...
nano isthar http://killboard.frontal-impact.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3616
nano vaga: http://killboard.frontal-impact.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2160 http://killboard.frontal-impact.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1714
nano rapier: http://killboard.frontal-impact.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1354
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