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Degen Lelmar
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:34:00 -
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Let me know what yas think
http://www.thetechbay.net/Eve/Drakept.JPG
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Khraunus
Amarr Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:35:00 -
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Crossposting is bad This thread will be locked I like ponies.
Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or my signature? |
Degen Lelmar
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:36:00 -
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i renamed the other post as it was put in the wrong area. 5am here I'm a little tired so i thought i would remove the other posts info and change its name thus meaning its not a cross post
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Khalish Mo'Tashi
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:48:00 -
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Drop one of the Shield Rechargers for another LSE II if you can fit it (you'll need WU 5 and AWU 4 IIRC). You'll get a better recharge rate.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.10.17 20:21:00 -
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Tanking isn't a role. You are trying to PVP in a bad PVE fit.
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Random27
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Posted - 2008.10.17 23:51:00 -
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I think a Megathron with a bunch of 425mm railguns will poke holes in you from over the horizon.
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Ess Erbe
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.17 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Random27 I think a Megathron with a bunch of 425mm railguns will poke holes in you from over the horizon.
A sniper mega cannot hope to break a Drake brick.
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Random27
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Posted - 2008.10.17 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ess Erbe
Originally by: Random27 I think a Megathron with a bunch of 425mm railguns will poke holes in you from over the horizon.
A sniper mega cannot hope to break a Drake brick.
Keep over 60k and wait?
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Kvaell
Minmatar Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.10.18 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Tanking isn't a role. You are trying to PVP in a bad PVE fit.
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Terra Incognita, mare nostrum
Originally by: Dark Voynix
What are you? Just a half-failed BPC copy of an unresearched troll BPO ?
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Ess Erbe
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.18 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Random27
Originally by: Ess Erbe
Originally by: Random27 I think a Megathron with a bunch of 425mm railguns will poke holes in you from over the horizon.
A sniper mega cannot hope to break a Drake brick.
Keep over 60k and wait?
60 km is not sniping, and it seriously cannot. It simply doesn't do enough damage to take out a fully tanked Drake. Of course, a brick Drake isn't much of a threat by itself, either.
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Hardtail
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.18 04:11:00 -
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makes a nice enough paperweight
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2008.10.18 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Tanking isn't a role. You are trying to PVP in a bad PVE fit.
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Degen Lelmar
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Posted - 2008.10.18 05:14:00 -
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Well i can beat a Brutex or how ever you spell them so that's all i was hoping for. Didn't think people on this forum would be so smart arsed about everything..
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.10.18 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Degen Lelmar Well i can beat a Brutex or how ever you spell them so that's all i was hoping for. Didn't think people on this forum would be so smart arsed about everything..
I doubt you could take out a Brutix. They're faster than you and they will get out of scram range and warp before your puny damage could take them out.
And a third LSEII takes Shield Upgrades V + AWU IV, whoever mentioned that.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Degen Lelmar Well i can beat a Brutex or how ever you spell them so that's all i was hoping for. Didn't think people on this forum would be so smart arsed about everything..
Assuming you meant 1 vs 1, that Drake can not kill a Brutix. You know why? You can't tackle him.
As far as your Drake, I'd fit some Ballistic Control Systems (ideally 3, at least 2) so you can help your gang out with more DPS. You are doing what the other races T1 Cruisers do for damage, you can not tackle, the rest of your gang will die first and then the brick drake goes last.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Toolivus
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Tanking isn't a role. You are trying to PVP in a bad PVE fit.
That fit adds nothing to a gang.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.18 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Tanking isn't a role. You are trying to PVP in a bad PVE fit.
This. No damage mods, no tackle, no MWD, no gang mod = comedy setup. Your "tank" ship contributes nothing to the fight, and just ends up ignored and saved for last, once all of the non-comedy ships in your gang have been killed. That is, if your own FC doesn't kill you first, for bringing such a worthless ship to the fight.
This is the correct HML Drake setup (without gang skills, if you have good gang skills the shield resist mod is mandatory, but will cost you some tank):
[Drake, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Inertia Stabilizers II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
Or if you like HAMs instead. I don't, but some people love the setup:
[Drake, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Medium Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.10.18 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Tanking isn't a role. You are trying to PVP in a bad PVE fit.
This is all you need to know about your fit.
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Kebast
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Posted - 2008.10.19 19:13:00 -
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One question...What do you think about swapping one of the BCU's for a DCU? Which is more valuable, 3rd damage mod or more resists?
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Furb Killer
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.19 19:51:00 -
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I personally dont undock in pvp ships without damage control. And imo take shield resist rigs instead of extenders, much cheaper.
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TimMc
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.19 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer I personally dont undock in pvp ships without damage control. And imo take shield resist rigs instead of extenders, much cheaper.
This and what everyone else said. Stop pvp'ing in a pve ship.
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Lux Exterior
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.19 20:59:00 -
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The enemy gang will simply ignore you and force you to spectate while all your friends die screaming horribly, before they finally focus all fire on you and you lose the ship anyway wasting your money and everyones elses time. Then your gangmates stop talking to you. Stop this stupidity now.
"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
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Lars Lodar
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.19 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kebast One question...What do you think about swapping one of the BCU's for a DCU? Which is more valuable, 3rd damage mod or more resists?
Thats the HAM setup I prefer since the 3rd BCU is only adding a marginal amount to your damage whereas a DC add a lot more to your EHP. Also you should be able to fit a PDS II instead of the reactor control for better tank and cap. Extender rigs are nice but cost more than the ship. It's more cost effective to use cheap resist rigs since you will generally die to ganks and not close fights. Also, the placement of mods should be like that for optimal heat distribution.
[Drake PVP HAM Gank Cheap Rigs] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Salvager I /OFFLINE Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Javelin Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Warrior II x5
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JZIM
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Posted - 2008.10.19 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: JZIM on 19/10/2008 23:53:27
Originally by: Ess Erbe
Originally by: Random27 I think a Megathron with a bunch of 425mm railguns will poke holes in you from over the horizon.
A sniper mega cannot hope to break a Drake brick.
The OPs drake will not tank more than 250dps, if that. (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=116993). Only thing is a sniper mega pilot should have something better to do.
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Atari Sakura
Minmatar INTERNET HARBLRAGE
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:09:00 -
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Why are your overview settings shit? Also YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. --- This forum is problematic.
Desu Sigs
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.20 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 20/10/2008 04:52:50
Originally by: Lars Lodar Thats the HAM setup I prefer since the 3rd BCU is only adding a marginal amount to your damage whereas a DC add a lot more to your EHP.
It's arguable. The third BCU still adds a useful amount of DPS, but the DCU is a valid choice.
Quote: Also you should be able to fit a PDS II instead of the reactor control for better tank and cap.
Err, right. Nice catch. I was changing the setup around a bit, and forgot to replace the RCU. A PDU is obviously the correct choice.
Quote: Extender rigs are nice but cost more than the ship. It's more cost effective to use cheap resist rigs since you will generally die to ganks and not close fights.
*shrugs*
Cheaper, but less effective. I guess when I'm used to flying recons/command ships/HACs, paying for extender rigs doesn't seem that bad.
Quote: Also, the placement of mods should be like that for optimal heat distribution.
Correct. I'm just too lazy to bother with that on EFT setups.
Oh, never use T2 high-damage missiles. Faction do the same damage, but with none of the drawbacks. Javelin missiles are still awesome though.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.10.20 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: JZIM Edited by: JZIM on 19/10/2008 23:53:27
Originally by: Ess Erbe
Originally by: Random27 I think a Megathron with a bunch of 425mm railguns will poke holes in you from over the horizon.
A sniper mega cannot hope to break a Drake brick.
The OPs drake will not tank more than 250dps, if that. (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=116993). Only thing is a sniper mega pilot should have something better to do.
Yes, but that's only because it's a BAD brick Drake (and sinc ethe brick drake is a bad ship for PVP it becomes double fail). Long ago, around 10m SP or so, I found that I could perma tank an electron mega (and it's drones) using the 2 LSE, 2 Invul II, 2 Shield Recharger, 2 BCS, 2 SPR, 3 CDFP setup I used as my emergency backup PVE ship. Given that the mid slot layout is a departure from the "optimal tank" scenario and It sacrificed two of the BEST passive tanking mods for damage I'd say it's not likely a single sniper anything can take out a brick drake. Hell, Amarrians and their scary MF lasers of shield doom at point blank range have trouble punching through a Drakes defenses in anything approaching an reasonable amount of time.
The pure tank drake might not be good for anything (even PVE to be honest) but it is the most amazingly sturdy thing commonly seen in space.
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JZIM
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres Yes, but that's only because it's a BAD brick Drake
^ We're reading from the same page here - this was really the only point I was trying to make =p.
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Angel Sebiestor
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Angel Sebiestor on 20/10/2008 11:20:37
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Gypsio III Tanking isn't a role. You are trying to PVP in a bad PVE fit.
This. No damage mods, no tackle, no MWD, no gang mod = comedy setup. Your "tank" ship contributes nothing to the fight, and just ends up ignored and saved for last, once all of the non-comedy ships in your gang have been killed. That is, if your own FC doesn't kill you first, for bringing such a worthless ship to the fight.
This is the correct HML Drake setup (without gang skills, if you have good gang skills the shield resist mod is mandatory, but will cost you some tank):
[Drake, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Inertia Stabilizers II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
Or if you like HAMs instead. I don't, but some people love the setup:
[Drake, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Medium Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
Oooh it's Merin 'top eft warrior in eve' Ryskin...
...wich is Liangs new forum alt...
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.20 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Angel Sebiestor Oooh it's Merin 'top eft warrior in eve' Ryskin...
...wich is Liangs new forum alt...
Oooh, it's yet another alt troll. How boring. Too bad for you that I posted the exact Drake setup I use in real PvP, and there was no meaningful disagreement on it. Yes, I posted an EFT fit, but if you know of a better way to quickly and easily post a setup and stats for a ship, feel free to tell me.
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