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Kai Shinkachi
Gallente Eth3real Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.19 04:08:00 -
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Okay, I am about to step into an Ishtar...and I've heard nothing but doom and gloom for nano boats. A nano fit would be my first choice, and I know how to fit this baby for nanoing. HOWEVER, seeing as the nanonerf is impending, I want a non nanofit for my Ishtar. (And even if nanos are still viable I want a non nano fit just so I know the full spectrum of my options.)
So what is the smartest non nanofit for an Ishtar? Gang, solo and mission fits welcome as I will be doing some of each. Sig? What sig? |
Shereza
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Posted - 2008.10.19 04:29:00 -
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The ishtar's a surprisingly versatile ship and really not limited to nano-junk.
Some examples of builds I've got laying around, many of which I've put into practice and liked, are:
[Ishtar, Armor - L4 Missions] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x5 Berserker II x5 - Drones are mostly for comparing DPS output, I usually use 5 of each T2 combat, light, medium, heavy, and sentry.
Another setup I've toyed with is:
[Ishtar, Passive Shield - L4 Missions] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II
220mm Medium Prototype I Automatic Cannon, EMP M 220mm Medium Prototype I Automatic Cannon, EMP M 220mm Medium Prototype I Automatic Cannon, EMP M [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Core Defence Field Purger I
Ogre II x5
I used this one in a 4/10 complex in high-sec and did quite well:
[Ishtar, Plexxer] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Codebreaker I
Salvager I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I
All DPS was by drones, which aren't listed, so it was a tad slow on killing stuff but it worked fine for loot/salvage work on what it did kill, and for hacking the site cans.
Now, this last one's something of a prototype work in progress, something that I looked at a long time back as an option for POS work. It's basically a glass hammer for 150km-ish "sniping."
[Ishtar, L5 - Sentaur] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Signal Amplifier II Signal Amplifier II Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot]
Sentry Damage Augmentor I Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Warden II x5 Bouncer II x5
Warden's got better range but bouncer has better raw DPS. 124km optimal w/30km falloff and 404 raw DPS (max) with Warden IIs versus 99.5km, 42km, and 471 raw DPS with Bouncer IIs. The biggest problem with this setup, especially when compared to a dominix in a similar role, is the short range (optimal + falloff needed to get 150km) and the less than 12k "omni" EHP on the ishtar, without gang bonuses. That last one really makes this an intellectual exercise more than a working ship, unless you have the money, and don't mind using it, to throw away on something like it of course. ____________________
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Noelle Fay
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.19 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza stuff
you could have saved yourself some time if you cared to read the OP's post -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke. |
bldyannoyed
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:07:00 -
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Once you stop nano-ing an Ishtar it becomes basically worthless.
It can't actuallyy do anything that a Domi can't.It's extra drone range is redundant when all a Domi has to is fit another Link Augmentor, it doesn't have the CPU to fit drone rigs, can't tank as well as a Domi, there is no way it can use its turret bonus ( a Domi struggles but at least it's doable) and once plated and armor rigged it doesnt handle particularly well either.
Basically, it sucks.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.10.19 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: bldyannoyed Once you stop nano-ing an Ishtar it becomes basically worthless.
It can't actuallyy do anything that a Domi can't.It's extra drone range is redundant when all a Domi has to is fit another Link Augmentor, it doesn't have the CPU to fit drone rigs, can't tank as well as a Domi, there is no way it can use its turret bonus ( a Domi struggles but at least it's doable) and once plated and armor rigged it doesnt handle particularly well either.
Basically, it sucks.
No you can bring it to deter ppl when they see it on the scanner, they will all say "Ah shit another nano-ishtar gtfo" Name it "Wrooom!" or "Soon to be nerfed" so they will believe its a nano fit then just go rat with it instead.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.10.19 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Noelle Fay
Originally by: Shereza stuff
you could have saved yourself some time if you cared to read the OP's post
Anything in specific you care to highlight from the original post? ____________________
Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval. |
Hugh Jassole
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hugh Jassole on 19/10/2008 17:37:02 armor Tank the Ishtar post nano. generic high armor. fit some neut/nos in the highs. maybe some blasters. sort of fit it like a domi.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Jassole Edited by: Hugh Jassole on 19/10/2008 17:37:02 armor Tank the Ishtar post nano. generic high armor. fit some neut/nos in the highs. maybe some blasters. sort of fit it like a domi.
Buy a domi instead.
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Azuse
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:56:00 -
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Reasonable solo/small gang active works well,
[Ishtar, Pew pew] Amarr Navy Armor Explosive Hardener Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I ECCM - Magnetometric II Warp Disruptor II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I
Ogre II x5
Gun are to taste really, if you can't use lasers ac work but the dps, range and tracking are all crap, blasters will null are reasonable. If active isn't your thing (with that size cargo it should be) then plate and single rep, swap the eccm if you like but whatever you do that faction ex. hardener is your, cheap, answer to the cpu problems of this ship. -------------------------
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Kai Shinkachi
Gallente Eth3real Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.20 13:36:00 -
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So, I'm thinking that I might just stick with my Blasterthron for pvp. Since the Ishtar cannot do anymore DPS as a Domi and cannot sport nearly as powerful a tank. The only redeeming value was nanoing it but with the nerf inbound there is really no point in flying one... Sig? What sig? |
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.10.20 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: bldyannoyed Once you stop nano-ing an Ishtar it becomes basically worthless.
It can't actuallyy do anything that a Domi can't.It's extra drone range is redundant when all a Domi has to is fit another Link Augmentor, it doesn't have the CPU to fit drone rigs, can't tank as well as a Domi, there is no way it can use its turret bonus ( a Domi struggles but at least it's doable) and once plated and armor rigged it doesnt handle particularly well either.
Basically, it sucks.
Actualy it is quite nice to chase Frigs and Cruisers of any kind, also it is THE SHIP if you want to kill a Missionrunner in Low Sec Dead Space.
Other than this, Ishtar with T2 Electrons was fun on Sissi, with TD and AB it owns preaty anything that donŠt Neut you into the ground or got Torps. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.10.20 14:07:00 -
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ishtar wil still be best hac after a speed nerf.. dunno why you compare it to a domi.. ishtar warps and moves 10000x faster, locks faster, looks beter.. has smaller sig radius! only thing I miss on ishtar is the heavy neuts :P --------
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Katy Karkinoff
Minmatar Psycho Chicks
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Posted - 2008.10.20 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas ishtar wil still be best hac after a speed nerf.. dunno why you compare it to a domi.. ishtar warps and moves 10000x faster, locks faster, looks beter.. has smaller sig radius! only thing I miss on ishtar is the heavy neuts :P
its not the best hac now, and it won't be after the nerf.
Right now zealots are better, and sacs are better. Zealots post nerf will still have a role because they can snipe very well.
The sac is better than ishtar because the sac is actually cap stable. Post nerf, sac can and will still sport a better tank with fairly similar dps that cant get blown up.
You sir are fantasizing.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.20 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Artemis Rose on 20/10/2008 15:33:13 I'd go with a buffer armor tank (1600mm RT plate + resists) and go run around killing things.
For the buy a Domi FFS crowd, I don't see many Domis as agile/fast as an Ishtar.
EDIT: For PvP anyhow, a mission Domi would probably be better
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Azuse
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.20 15:41:00 -
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For the record that fitting i posted does 100 dps more than my Sac and tank 100 dps less, carries the same amount of boosters and is more flexible in both its mids & highs. Javelins hit at the same range as sentries so drones are irrelevant.
Anyone looking for the "best" is either unaware of the definition or playing the wrong game.
If you can't see the benefits of flying a cruiser over a bs then you shouldn't because whatever you're doing will probably be easier in a bs but that is not saying there are none. It's the most popular tii class for a reason you know -------------------------
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.10.20 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse Javelins hit at the same range as sentries so drones are irrelevant.
I would like a bit of clarification on this point. ____________________
Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval. |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.10.20 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose I'd go with a buffer armor tank (1600mm RT plate + resists) and go run around killing things.
This.
Surprisingly, there is more to fights than just sitting stationary tanking or clicking Approach to get within blaster range. If one's repertoire is limited to the above two "tactics", then I would agree that a Domi is indeed the better choice.
Taxman VI: Voided Ledger
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