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eliminator2
Gallente Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.10.19 19:15:00 -
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im not good at spelling but ill ty and do my best.
So my account has been in active for 3-5 days now for the simple fact GTC's have leapt a high price and are still raising, if you looked a few weeks ago they were 400-500 mill now they have creept to 500-600 mill now the avergae smart GTC payer doesnt want to spend the isk on a gtc so people like me ask for one at a resonable price 450-500 mill but the sellers have got greedy and started selling them at 500+ and are sticking to that. I looked at the timecode bazzar other day and sore there are way more GTC WTB than there is WTS and sellers carnt keep up when we had all the GTC's sellers had a more choice if they didnt have alot of cash they would buy a 30 and then a 60 if they had enough and so on, but now if the sellers havent the cash they carnt buy the 30 so they dont buy at all = less WTS and more WTB wich is causing a problem as the fact that ghosting is going to be banned the time it takes to get a GTC will run into your account expired which leads to all stop on training wich will lead to the buyers thinking ahh what the hell i cba any more with this which is less sellers and buyers=less cash for greedy CCP (or marketing side)
Now i suggest CCP return to the marketing side of them and ask are you sure this was the right ideas im sure you are loosing more money than your making and the fact that they thought 60 day were the future to soon must have crippled the game a lot i suggest bringing the 30 and 90 day GTC back would be the best idea for CCP now to keep there players and keep getting money.i now this has been mentioned loads of times but i would suggest everyone post there thoughts maybe i am wrong if so tell me now plz
o and i no people have been saying iski farmers are a biggest problem for CCP right now but are you sure that is a problem for CCP i mean think about it as long as they are still paying for the accounts and CCP are getting money from them why ban them its a exploit that CCP have found, they said they would take action all i have seen is buffing the ISK farmer problem not nerfing it all they need to do is ban the odd one and say we are doing our best and they get away with easy cash and no problems
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TimMc
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.19 19:19:00 -
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Obviously if GTC sellers are selling at that price, people are buying them at that price. Supply and demand my friend, and if you feel like its not worth 600mil to keep yourself in game for 2 months, then go spend real money.
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eliminator2
Gallente Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.10.19 19:21:00 -
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or quit and save me the hassle alltogether each way is good tbh ^^
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.19 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2 or quit and save me the hassle alltogether each way is good tbh ^^
If you're not willing to pay the cash, and you're not willing to pay the isk so that somebody else will pay the cash, then that'd probably be your best solution. CCP doesn't do this for free, nor should they. ------------------ Herschel's Lottery #2 - Win a Golem! |
Humwawa
M.A.R.S. Enterprises Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.19 21:33:00 -
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.19 22:02:00 -
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According to CTRL + F, there were a grand total of 3 periods in that entire walloftext. Granted I can't be assed to try to decipher it, I'm just going to say the OP needs to learn what supply and demand is, and needs to get a job.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Tempest Inferno
Davy Jones Locker Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tempest Inferno on 21/10/2008 12:13:29 As a GTC reseller I agree with the OP. GTC prices have spiraled out of control and if prices keep rising then no one will be able to afford them. When i do have GTC's I usually sell them at 475 Mil which causes my screen to fill with convo requests as soon as I say I have them.
The removal of the 30 day and 90 day cards was a BIG mistake for CCP. I can understand they wanted to streamline their marketing database but they should have upgraded their database instead of reducing the calculations it had to make. In addition, the price for the 60 day cards is way out of line. If they are an alternative to paying with credit / debit card then they need to match the price that the game costs. $14.95 x 2 = $29.90 If they lowered the price by just a few dollars then I think this would solve the problem with the lower supply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:41:00 -
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It really doesn't have a lot to do with the removal of the cards, guys, though, since the ghost training nerf you may see a return of the 30 day cards, since it's likely that their removal was a first attempt at doing the same thing.
It's just good old supply and demand. You have less people willing to part with extra money over and above what their subscription costs. They're less certain about their jobs and their finances. Short of fixing the economy, there isn't much that CCP can do about it.
The ghost training nerf might help some. It will probably incent people to drop some of the extra accounts they've been carrying, and the demand may go down.
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MeTaLMaLiTiA
Harvester of Sorrow
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:25:00 -
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Unless it actualy brings the prices up :P lets face it, inactive accounts that can train , dont need GTC's , therefore less demand,So theres a chance that "no ghost skilling" may bring more demand. If this becomes true , then theres a chance we will see prices reach the Billion Isk sometime soon. But fear not , if it does , quite a few people will leave the game and demand will drop. I am seeing people struggle in keeping up with the isk required to keep their main account active..and yes..with world financial crisis, we ALL have less to spend on non-essentials like EVE (blasphemy..i know !!)
Well one things for sure , we will see more super caps ingame, if your getting a Billion Isk per GTC. Mayb its worth CCP considering capping the sale price sometime soon, or we may just see a universal financial crisis in EVE to match the current world finacial crisis.
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Tempest Inferno
Davy Jones Locker Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: bulabuba It really doesn't have a lot to do with the removal of the cards, guys, though, since the ghost training nerf you may see a return of the 30 day cards, since it's likely that their removal was a first attempt at doing the same thing.
It's just good old supply and demand.
The removal of the 30 D cards have everything to do with it. When the price shifted for the cards the supply dropped big time. Lower supply but maintain the same demand and prices go up. If they were to match the price of the cards to actually cost the same as a 60 day credit subscription or restore the 30 day cards then supply would go back up and prices would stabilize. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Schneiderr
AMT. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.10.22 15:41:00 -
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i would say ccp should just allow trading game time for isk for a fixed price, lets say 500m?!
everyone who wants to sell knows what he will get, everyone who wants to buy knows what he has to pay. dont allow WTB threads anymore as they will just get bumped and bumped all day because otherwise they are away from page one within half an hour max. so.. just WTS threads, 500m fixed price and we are all cool, well at least i would like it that way.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.23 05:37:00 -
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Honestly, you have no clue if CCP are making more money or not from their GTC changes and/or the ghost training changes, so don't make statements about it.
How are the GTC sellers being greedy, don't you want to get the most "bang for your buck" with anything you do both in EVE and in RL.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.23 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2008 08:23:09 Not signed. It's basic supply and demand. Why should I sell you a cheap GTC if there are a dozen people lined up to buy it from me at a higher price? Any sane and rational person would do exactly what those sellers are doing, this isn't some incomprehensible evil or market manipulation conspiracy.
It's no different than any other aspect of EVE's economy. If you get CCP to step in and reduce your GTC costs, I expect CCP to step in and reduce my ship costs. I want HACs/recons for 20 million ISK, greedy sellers shouldn't be allowed to raise the prices as high as they have.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:56:00 -
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CCP cant cap the cost, or the whole idea behind the gtc system falls on its ass.
the price needs to determined by supply as well as demand. If the supply side sees a large discrepancy between the isk it gets for a dollar here compared to at IGE et all, they will sell less cards and fuel more isk sellers.
CCP don¦t want that, since it¦s both harmfull and a loss of income.
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MeTaLMaLiTiA
Caldari Harvester of Sorrow
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:09:00 -
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There is no Conspiracy and accusation definately wont get you anywhere, but theres no doubt the balance has been upset. I'd say its rather like the ammount of HAC's builders / sellers drop , while the ammount of HAC buyers went up, you would be annoyed that you had to pay 200mil for that HAC, if you could get one.
If i was a seller , i would be driving prices up too, after all, you got to look after number one. But i would certainly call my self greedy and rub my hands together all the way to the bank. But even in RL , theres laws, methods and amendments put in place to try stop Monopoly, Inflation and a broad economic failure.
Although It happens from time to time, which is what we are seeing here. We normaly dont realise it and do something about it when its too late. But that dosnt mean we should just simply do nothing about it.
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MeTaLMaLiTiA
Caldari Harvester of Sorrow
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine CCP cant cap the cost, or the whole idea behind the gtc system falls on its ass.
the price needs to determined by supply as well as demand. If the supply side sees a large discrepancy between the isk it gets for a dollar here compared to at IGE et all, they will sell less cards and fuel more isk sellers.
CCP don¦t want that, since it¦s both harmfull and a loss of income.
Fair enough, Point taken
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.10.23 14:15:00 -
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To the OP.
You are playing the game for free, buying the GTC with isk. Quit complaining tbfh.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.10.23 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tempest Inferno Edited by: Tempest Inferno on 21/10/2008 12:13:29 As a GTC reseller I agree with the OP. GTC prices have spiraled out of control and if prices keep rising then no one will be able to afford them.
If no one can afford them, the price will go down as demand decreases. Are people really this ******ed about how the free market works?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.23 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
Originally by: Tempest Inferno Edited by: Tempest Inferno on 21/10/2008 12:13:29 As a GTC reseller I agree with the OP. GTC prices have spiraled out of control and if prices keep rising then no one will be able to afford them.
If no one can afford them, the price will go down as demand decreases. Are people really this ******ed about how the free market works?
This. The only reason prices are so high is because people are willing to pay them. Clearly there are people out there who want that GTC more than you do, and they're willing to pay extra to make sure they get access to the limited supply first. If prices exceed the equilibrium point where demand becomes less than supply, prices will drop again as the sellers start competing to have the lowest price and attract the limited number of buyers.
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MeTaLMaLiTiA
Caldari Harvester of Sorrow
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Posted - 2008.10.23 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Are people really this ******ed about how the free market works?
Well, i have been told, i have an IQ of that of a Gallah !!
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