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Colt Eto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:43:00 -
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So I was mining (obviously) when I came under attack by Pirates
I had chosen a ship with only one turret hardpoint but massive cargo
so I only had a Mining laser that couldn't attack back
I realized "Hey if this thing can melt asteroids that contain minerals , stone, metals, and other assorted things why can't it damage ships and shields?" With its concentrated fire, high heat(I assume thats how it mines), and it being meant to melt things like metal and so on, it would be devastating against armor or shield, maybe not to the extent or a weapon MADE to be used of armor and shield but still, not useless in a fight as it currently is.
For balance purposes I thought that the ability to use a mining laser as a improvised weapon would be unlocked via certificate - from Basic " -70% dmg" , Improved "-45% dmg" or so on and the Req to get said certificates would be along the line of experience with mining, gunnery, operating a ship effectively or so on, making not impossible for people starting out to get it but at the same time making not a "go to universal weapon" Obviously here are other things that would have to be balanced before the laser could even begin to be used as a improv weapon buts that's my two cents |
YuuKnow
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:55:00 -
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Because armor is harder than rock. A sledgehammer with crack a hard piece of ore, but won't even put a dent in the side of a naval hull. |
Colt Eto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.01 23:00:00 -
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Ah point taken
but still, this isnt a sledge hammer its a laser....-ish thing that (unless its literally using pure kinetic energy) would doing something against shields and armor EVEN if it is pure kinetic energy it will still do SOMETHING against shields and maybe reduced dmg to armor because again its a continuous beam of...stuff |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.04.01 23:38:00 -
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Colt Eto wrote:Ah point taken
but still, this isnt a sledge hammer its a laser....-ish thing that (unless its literally using pure kinetic energy) would doing something against shields and armor EVEN if it is pure kinetic energy it will still do SOMETHING against shields and maybe reduced dmg to armor because again its a continuous beam of...stuff
For safety reasons, CONCORD mandates that all mining lasers have to operate on a wavelength all shields can easily block. We wouldn't want accidents in the belts now, would we. |
Josef Stylin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.01 23:45:00 -
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Not gonna happen bro. Unless you wanna make DPS laser weapons able to mine too?
If you have problems with DPS, train up your drone skills. |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
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Posted - 2012.04.02 00:14:00 -
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Josef Stylin wrote:Not gonna happen bro. Unless you wanna make DPS laser weapons able to mine too?
If you have problems with DPS, train up your drone skills. What if his ship didn't have drones? He did say 1 turret hardpoint and massive cargo afterall. He might have been talking about an industrial ship.
I think a Mining Laser should do maybe 4 thermal damage? 7 if it is a deep core miner, 10 if it is a strip miner, 15 if it is a deep core strip miner or Ice Harvester. It wouldn't do that much damage, but a few Strip Miners and 1 or drones might be enough to protect a Hulk from Belt Rats just outside of Low-Sec (0.7 - 0.5) This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
YuuKnow
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:07:00 -
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Colt Eto wrote:Ah point taken
but still, this isnt a sledge hammer its a laser....-ish thing that (unless its literally using pure kinetic energy) would doing something against shields and armor EVEN if it is pure kinetic energy it will still do SOMETHING against shields and maybe reduced dmg to armor because again its a continuous beam of...stuff
How does a "laser" energy thing mine anyway? Its light? Is it not a lazer, but a sucker beam? What is a sucker beam going to do against shields strong enough to easily shrugg off thermonuclear explosions?
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wurblewind
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:20:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Colt Eto wrote:Ah point taken
but still, this isnt a sledge hammer its a laser....-ish thing that (unless its literally using pure kinetic energy) would doing something against shields and armor EVEN if it is pure kinetic energy it will still do SOMETHING against shields and maybe reduced dmg to armor because again its a continuous beam of...stuff How does a "laser" energy thing mine anyway? Its light? Is it not a lazer, but a sucker beam? What is a sucker beam going to do against shields strong enough to easily shrugg off thermonuclear explosions? tech babble
Tech nerd time.
It's actually both a laser and a tractor beam working as one. The laser is designed to vaporise the rock, scrap, and other unwanted material while the tractor portion pulls in everything loose around the beam that isn't destroyed, i.e. the ore.
On the matter of weaponised lasers, I agree with the sledgehammer metaphor. As opposed to raw ore and rock, a ship's hull is made of refined alloys that are considerably stronger and, more importantly, more heat resistant. Therefore, from a technical standpoint, the most a mining laser could do is etch fancy designs on their hull, assuming they somehow lost shields.
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tankus2
HeartVenom Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:50:00 -
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it would be an interesting way to keep gankers away from miners, though they would have a hard time doing any damage.
From as how shields are explained, a shield is a liquid/plasma than pure energy, and can be syphoned off the ship using a specialized laser/tractorbeam system that breaks up the shields first then tractors away the free-floating materials. Oh wait. We have those.
Armor, on the other hand, is much more durable than was this specialized laser could probably handle. Even though it is made from the same stuff that the laser normally extracts, this stuff has been refined and is thus more "coherent" (will replace with a better word later >_< )
Bottom line, I would think that a group of 15 or so hulks would be able to make a thorax disappear VERY quickly, both from drones galore and strip miners Where the science gets done |
Colt Eto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:52:00 -
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wurblewind wrote:YuuKnow wrote:Colt Eto wrote:Ah point taken
but still, this isnt a sledge hammer its a laser....-ish thing that (unless its literally using pure kinetic energy) would doing something against shields and armor EVEN if it is pure kinetic energy it will still do SOMETHING against shields and maybe reduced dmg to armor because again its a continuous beam of...stuff How does a "laser" energy thing mine anyway? Its light? Is it not a lazer, but a sucker beam? What is a sucker beam going to do against shields strong enough to easily shrugg off thermonuclear explosions? tech babble Tech nerd time. It's actually both a laser and a tractor beam working as one. The laser is designed to vaporise the rock, scrap, and other unwanted material while the tractor portion pulls in everything loose around the beam that isn't destroyed, i.e. the ore. On the matter of weaponised lasers, I agree with the sledgehammer metaphor. As opposed to raw ore and rock, a ship's hull is made of refined alloys that are considerably stronger and, more importantly, more heat resistant. Therefore, from a technical standpoint, the most a mining laser could do is etch fancy designs on their hull, assuming they somehow lost shields.
Aye, that makes sense, Which is why i think maybe being forced to overload the laser and have some certificate req to be able to turn or dmg or some such
I only proposed this idea so miners like myself who dont have much money to buy the strip mining ships or the protection to mine in lo low sec zones not be forced to choose between cargo or protection
possibly make miners equiv to thier laser counterparts at significantly reduced damage (-50% or more)
its tough trying to find a balance between making it into a quick improv weapon if the need arises and making it overpowered and thus an undesired change |
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leviticus ander
CATO.nss
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Posted - 2012.04.02 22:21:00 -
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Josef Stylin wrote:Not gonna happen bro. Unless you wanna make DPS laser weapons able to mine too?
If you have problems with DPS, train up your drone skills. actually, that would be cool. allow you to shoot the asteroids (with any weapon) then activate a tractor beam on it and you can gather the debris that's blown off. the amount blown off is dependant on the damage done by the weapon. the veld naught can legitimately mine now :P |
Dantes Wolf
Shatters Of Self Confidence
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:13:00 -
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awsome insights =D
Plot of The Crying Game: She's a guy. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:02:00 -
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Pretty please, CCP? Every single other spaceships game with mining lasers allows them to be used as weapons. |
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