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SystemaX1
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Posted - 2008.10.23 05:06:00 -
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What is better to use for pvp damage wise tops or cruise missels i know cruise have longer range and torps make cooler explosions but what would you recomend for close pvp battleing
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vostok
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.23 05:08:00 -
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Torps, every time. TBH cruise have no place in pvp.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.23 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Artemis Rose on 23/10/2008 05:10:24 For close range, Torps all the way. Much more DPS.
For shooting the "uncounterable" Falcons (assuming you haven't given up all hope and joined the NARF! Falcon whine team), definitely Cruise missiles.
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vostok
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.23 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Edited by: Artemis Rose on 23/10/2008 05:10:24 For close range, Torps all the way. Much more DPS.
For shooting the "uncounterable" Falcons (assuming you haven't given up all hope and joined the NARF! Falcon whine team), definitely Cruise missiles.
Not really, I mean to field that you would need 2 sensor boosters and at least 1 eccm mod so your're down to 3/6 meds for your tank which means you will be eaten alive by the enemy gang.
Also the falcon could just warp off, or warp to another bm on the gate (because you know it probably is a gate) and avoid all of your missiles : /
Not that I want the falcon nerfed or anything
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.23 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: vostok ...
Torps, every time. TBH cruise have no place in pvp.
And this is why people whine about Falcons, because they refuse to use the weapons that kill them so effectively. Here's a hint: even if it survives to warp off, that means it isn't jamming your gang anymore. And meanwhile you're also extremely effective against other cruiser-size support.
In fact, I would argue that outside of very small gang scenarios, it's torps that have no place in PvP.
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asdfasfasaxfsdgfhds
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: vostok
Originally by: Artemis Rose Edited by: Artemis Rose on 23/10/2008 05:10:24 For close range, Torps all the way. Much more DPS.
For shooting the "uncounterable" Falcons (assuming you haven't given up all hope and joined the NARF! Falcon whine team), definitely Cruise missiles.
Not really, I mean to field that you would need 2 sensor boosters and at least 1 eccm mod so your're down to 3/6 meds for your tank which means you will be eaten alive by the enemy gang.
Also the falcon could just warp off, or warp to another bm on the gate (because you know it probably is a gate) and avoid all of your missiles : /
Not that I want the falcon nerfed or anything
Use Cruise missles they offer you the MOST diversity in pvp gangs. Please don't take Vostoks advice it's obviouse he has no "real" experiance in fitting a raven for pvp. |
Adaera
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Posted - 2008.10.23 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Adaera on 23/10/2008 15:43:35
Originally by: asdfasfasaxfsdgfhds
Use Cruise missles they offer you the MOST diversity in pvp gangs.
Is that really true? Not had a lot of experience myself but heard nothing but trash talk for cruise missiles in big fleets. Using them to kill or chase off Falcons sounds like a good use, but is that all they're good at? Flight time is also a big problem isn't it? Again feel free to correct me here but I'm just curious.
Edit: typo
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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.10.23 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Endless Subversion on 23/10/2008 17:02:36
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
And this is why people whine about Falcons, because they refuse to use the weapons that kill them so effectively. Here's a hint: even if it survives to warp off, that means it isn't jamming your gang anymore. And meanwhile you're also extremely effective against other cruiser-size support.
I don't agree Merin. Although I haven't used ravens for anti-falcon work I have used sniper apocs, abaddon and maelstroms extensively in very small gang situations. The just don't work.
You reduce the effectiveness of the jam ship, especially if they're a bad pilot, but you don't provide adequate anti-jam coverage in small gangs.
The problems are: 1) The jam ships gets that initial jam cycle off, often two jam cycles by the time you get uncloaked (assuming jumping into a camp), target it, shoot it and it get's into warp.
2) If it has multiple ongrid safespots OR it warps off then warps back, everytime it lands it gets at least 1 jam cycle off. The worst was a skilled blackbird with 3+ on grid bookmarks. He would land, lock my mates faster than I could lock him, jam and immediately warp.
3) Surprise, you're primary!. The moment the falcon pilot gets shot you're the new primary!
4) ECM is chance based. Meaning even with the three overloaded ECCM that I use on my anti-jam snipers YOU STILL GET JAMMED.
5) Lock time, it's anywhere from a 25%-50% increase on time jammed.
I've been thoroughly underwhelmed by Sniper BS against prepared falcons and blackbird, they tend to be expensive ship losses that give your gang a false sense of protection from falcons.
The sniper raven is going to have all the same problems as I've listed above except the falcon/whatever is going to get an extra jam cycle each time due to missile travel time.
It just doesn't work in small gangs. Bring a falcon/rook of your own set up to jam caldari and you're better off everytime.
To the OP, torps are where it's at for small gangs. Otherwise bring something else, cruise fufill a very limited anti support role in larger engagements. So much so that I've never found myself wishing I had a cruise raven in gang. |
Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.10.23 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Adaera Edited by: Adaera on 23/10/2008 15:43:35
Originally by: asdfasfasaxfsdgfhds
Use Cruise missles they offer you the MOST diversity in pvp gangs.
Is that really true?
Well yeah, you can shoot much much farther and also can use F.O.F missiles if you are jammed. These two things alone greatly increases the number of scenario where you are usefull compared to torps. |
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