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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2008.10.24 10:26:00 -
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Just been trying to keep up with the latest round of drug fuelled CCP random game breaking on sisi. Read up on the missile changes. Could some kindly soul tell me if I'm reading this right?
Furies/Rage- 10.5% more base DPS than Faction but penalties so severe theyre gonna be basically useless.
Javelins- Range bonus reduced to 50%. So Rockets and Ham's get like 3 and 6km more range respectively and torps are down to like 35km or something (start selling those torp Golems now boys and girls)
Precision - Ummm. -50% range, meaning a precision Light probably cant hit an intercepter orbiting at speed at 20km. Also worse against same size targets. How does thta work other than them just doing less dps, which they do on TQ right now anyway.
Oh yeah, they halved all Missile Explosion Velocity bonuses as well.
So apart from TP fitted Ravens which are now gonna have the damage ouput of a Dreadnought and a Sig Radius to match, WTF is going on?
Is this now every race except Amarr nerfed into the stone age??? |
MenanceWhite
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.10.24 10:38:00 -
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Next in the nerfwagon: drones and ecm |
fkingfurious
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Posted - 2008.10.24 10:40:00 -
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Medium Drones have had their tracking decreased by a factor of 1.6% (or something like that) their Sig Resolution increased to 125 and their orbit range reduced to 1000m. Now this was intended to reduce their tracking versus frigates. Sadly, this also means they have been nerfed against everything else. You cant bugger tracking up that much and not expect it to affect everything they try and shoot.
So there you go, Drones nerfed too :) |
Stork DK
Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.10.24 10:46:00 -
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Sweet =]
Gallente whines, caldari whines AND minmatar whines! And all from one patch that hasnt even been deployed yet
/emote trashes vaga & hugs geddon. |
RedSplat
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Stork DK Sweet =]
Gallente whines, caldari whines AND minmatar whines! And all from one patch that hasnt even been deployed yet
/emote trashes vaga & hugs geddon.
This.
I look forwards the the cataclysmic detonation of rage on the forums when the patch goes live, it might console me somewhat that CCP borked the game
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:17:00 -
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WELP!
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious Words
Fury/Rage - more DPS, more useful than before (not hard tbh). My HAM Drake just got boosted to over 700 DPS against BC targets, for example (includes implants).
Jav Rockets - 5 km more range, from 10-15 km = lol useless. Precision Lights - the 20 km range is lol useless against MWD inties. However, the bonuses of a Caracal/Cerb - the main Precision Light platforms - should make them effective. Especially when rigged.
Torp Raven - broadly unaffected against a webbed, painted target - i.e., the kind of targets it was shooting anyway.
In general, it's easier to mitigate missile damage than before, but much harder to avoid it altogether. Amarr does sound tasty though.. |
Lana Lanee
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: fkingfurious Words
Amarr does sound tasty though..
why? |
Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:59:00 -
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What? They screw the Javs so much!? We already had to screfice much dps for that range. Way to make the only usefull T2 ammo usless :( |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:59:00 -
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Because lasers have range and DPS projection abilities similar to those of missiles, but a different mechanism for damage mitigation. Lasers and missiles might complement each other quite well. We'll see... |
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:59:00 -
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Like people have been saying for weeks. . .
train Amarr.
Otherwise, I plan on continuing to enjoy unprecidented (since gankaddons oh. . .3 years ago - too long. . . .) pawnage while my Minmatar and Caldari characters both suffer. . .
w00t
now just need to start Gallente. . .then I will be ready for the next cycle. . .3 years down the line. |
Poast Warrior
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:02:00 -
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They are gunna screw up this game so badly. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious
Javelins- Range bonus reduced to 50%. So Rockets and Ham's get like 3 and 6km more range respectively and torps are down to like 35km or something (start selling those torp Golems now boys and girls)
Wonderful, that's about 1.2bil down the drain right there. Well, unless I sell it of course. Anyone know the exp vel numbers for different torps?
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Rita Zechs
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious
Is this now every race except Amarr nerfed into the stone age???
This is the explanation you are after : http://killboard.eve-dna.org/pilot/losses/Ifni |
Diehard Si
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:52:00 -
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hmmm,
so when is jumpgate evolution out again?
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rita Zechs
Originally by: fkingfurious
Is this now every race except Amarr nerfed into the stone age???
This is the explanation you are after : http://killboard.eve-dna.org/pilot/losses/Ifni
No its not. If Amarr is bad, then the only thing to do is boost amarr, not kill the other 3.
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Rita Zechs
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
No its not. If Amarr is bad, then the only thing to do is boost amarr, not kill the other 3.
I don't think you understood.
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:44:00 -
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Well I'm safe. I have one character that can fly Amarr and Minmatar and another character that can fly Caldari and Gallente. Bring it on CCP! |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs What? They screw the Javs so much!? We already had to screfice much dps for that range. Way to make the only usefull T2 ammo usless :(
I dunno I hear that scorch thing is pretty good
@ OP: technically they did nerf Amarr too; the locus rig fix sort of sucks. Of course I think that hit Minmatar too so :p |
Korovyov
Mercantile Investments
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri @ OP: technically they did nerf Amarr too; the locus rig fix sort of sucks. Of course I think that hit Minmatar too so :p
Yes, all the win-button kiddies are getting nerfed. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth, followed by a mass emoragequit exodus of the forum whiners that begged for one of these nerfs only to have the wheel of nerf roll over them in the process.
All I can say about it is...
I cn haz ur stuf? |
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Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.24 16:01:00 -
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sorry, but if everything gets nerfed into the 'stone age' it'll be a whole new ball game and imo that means we all get to lrn to pvp all over again... i like it. like it a ton, sounds like they got the missile system correct to me, now my blasters don't suck as bad do they?
oh and locus rigs are gone too? ohh friggen /cry merin :P (im playing with you)
but really... that all makes sense when everyone has been crying about how bad minny is now.. and how bad blasters suck. time to move on ladies |
KingCappo
Seigers of Doom
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Posted - 2008.10.24 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 24/10/2008 12:46:37
Originally by: fkingfurious
Javelins- Range bonus reduced to 50%. So Rockets and Ham's get like 3 and 6km more range respectively and torps are down to like 35km or something (start selling those torp Golems now boys and girls)
Wonderful, that's about 1.2bil down the drain right there. Well, unless I sell it of course.
On TQ, javelin torpedoes have a 50% range increase, so this is no different. However, they did boost the damage of javelin torpedoes. They also made rage torpedoes a viable option by replacing the huge drawback (cap recharge) with a minor drawback (sig radius) and boosting their damage to greater than faction.
The only change to the Golem that is worrysome is the reduction in the explosion radius bonus, but only time will tell how big of an impact that is.
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Brodde Dim
Unseen University
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Posted - 2008.10.24 16:23:00 -
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Did you test them out together with all the other changes to velocity, signature radius, webbing etc. that are being planned? Or are you just getting hysterical over isolated changes in stats?
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Take Enemy
BAD WOLF INC.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs What? They screw the Javs so much!? We already had to screfice much dps for that range. Way to make the only usefull T2 ammo usless :(
I dunno I hear that scorch thing is pretty good
@ OP: technically they did nerf Amarr too; the locus rig fix sort of sucks. Of course I think that hit Minmatar too so :p
I missed something... What is the locus rig fix of which you speak?
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Fifi LeFume
Infestation. R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Take Enemy
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs What? They screw the Javs so much!? We already had to screfice much dps for that range. Way to make the only usefull T2 ammo usless :(
I dunno I hear that scorch thing is pretty good
@ OP: technically they did nerf Amarr too; the locus rig fix sort of sucks. Of course I think that hit Minmatar too so :p
I missed something... What is the locus rig fix of which you speak?
I would assume its properly stacking penalized now.
penalized now.
penalized.
penal. |
El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rita Zechs
Originally by: fkingfurious
Is this now every race except Amarr nerfed into the stone age???
This is the explanation you are after : http://killboard.eve-dna.org/pilot/losses/Ifni
I'm pretty sure Ifni (atropos?) is in QA, not balance/game design. In any case he was a pretty good blaster pilot too and they're getting face****d...
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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.10.24 18:04:00 -
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missile explosion velocity was reduced so that they dont do 100% damage to ALL ships no matter how fast.
ie: precision flycatcher hitting all inties for 100% within 60km
thickheaded git |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.24 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 24/10/2008 18:14:43 Balance is what it always is. CCP change it, usually for the better. Players whine about it and threaten to throw their toys out of the pram. Meh. Over the last four-odd years I've been boosted and nerfed several times.
It just adds interest. Kicks me out of the rut of my favourite ships and into something different.
This time it looks like I got off lightly. Nighthawk might even be getting a relative boost. Could end up the fastest mission running missile boat depending on how the CNR/Golem suffer.
Adapt, don't cry |
Nomad Storm
The Wandering Path
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Posted - 2008.10.24 18:42:00 -
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lol. |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.24 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Terianna Eri @ OP: technically they did nerf Amarr too; the locus rig fix sort of sucks. Of course I think that hit Minmatar too so :p
Yes, all the win-button kiddies are getting nerfed. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth, followed by a mass emoragequit exodus of the forum whiners that begged for one of these nerfs only to have the wheel of nerf roll over them in the process.
All I can say about it is...
I cn haz ur stuf?
:P Zealot will be fine with 50km optimal instead of 62, on the pulses. Just wish it could still snipe from 150km, but eh, whatever.
I'm just sad because the antisupport zealot was literally my favorite ship to fly... but it turns out dual-rep, drug-boosted, overheated zealots are pretty cool too. |
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