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Diehard Si
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:50:00 -
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:57:00 -
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A DD nerf is inevitable. Its just a question of how many titans we will have before it finally hits. The biggest problem for ccp is probably finding some other thing to give titan pilots.
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Diehard Si
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:14:00 -
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But even just nerfing the damage poss isn't enough.
I think they need a little rethink. The idea of a huge smart bomb going forward is just very basic. They need something that will still make them worthwhile, and make their prescence in the battle noticable, but without the crazy effect they have now.
How about a focused DD? somethink like 1million damage, aimed straight at 1 target? With a x minute cool off. Idea being they insta pop hostile caps.
Maybe make them mobile cyno jammers, jam a cyno being lit on grid ( but not in system ).
Maybe some sort of logistics side, like automatic armor and hull reps to gang members within x radius.
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Daygore Aracnus
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Daygore Aracnus on 24/10/2008 14:51:22 you could just make DD add a "localised spatial distortion" that makes DDs before the cool off have a "stacking" pelty but the "stack" drop in its effect as you reach DD refire point ie: 1 100% damage 2 at same time 100% damage, 50% damage 3 at same time 100% damage, 50% damage, 25% damage but then 1 then the next at 50% of the refire time.. 100% damage, 75%
fair enough you could just make it 20% of the refire time etc but the effect would be the same they aready have "fields" that make warp scrambling so why not (exept those that dont want it to be nerfed lol)? |
Nuts Nougat
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Diehard Si How about a focused DD? somethink like 1million damage, aimed straight at 1 target? With a x minute cool off. Idea being they insta pop hostile caps.
This would be awesome if: 1. they were cheaper since dreads already kill caps quite fast. 2. they could do it from outside normal lock range, so they don't get instatackled by fast dictors (this might not be a problem after speed rebalance) 3. If an alliance has 100 (any large number) titans, what stops them from vaporizing whole enemy cap fleets? This is just postponing the problem.
Love the death starish idea though.
Imo keep titans as huge logistics ships. They should be better at it, not at wiping out support. That's what you should bring anti-support for :P
Originally by: Diehard Si Maybe some sort of logistics side, like automatic armor and hull reps to gang members within x radius.
Burst armor rep/shield rep. Kinda like burst ecm. I like it :P |
teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:36:00 -
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Quote: 4 titans DD'd a fleet and completely killed it. With every alliance with space gaining titans every month. I mean in several months there's going to be over 100 probably.
Hey guys welcome to 9ish months ago. Back then it was L2P and you can tank DD's when BOB was the only one jacking around with this many titans. The real solution is to pump out so many titans the nerf comes faster.
Why is this even news besides the fact that it happened to you? |
Diehard Si
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: teji
Quote: 4 titans DD'd a fleet and completely killed it. With every alliance with space gaining titans every month. I mean in several months there's going to be over 100 probably.
Hey guys welcome to 9ish months ago. Back then it was L2P and you can tank DD's when BOB was the only one jacking around with this many titans. The real solution is to pump out so many titans the nerf comes faster.
Why is this even news besides the fact that it happened to you?
This isn't CAOD, so cut the smack.
And it didn't happen to me, and i don't care who's doing it to who. The problem isn't now anyway, its looking ahead to what WILL happen |
DeadDuck
Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.24 16:21:00 -
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I quite like the idea of a focused DDD with the coold down period. It would be THE instrument to deal with Capital Blobs. Target, lock, Titan/MS/Dread/Carrier down. I dont see the Titan pilot even bother to waiste time locking a BS.
And I completly agree you when you say that unless something is done, in a matter of months 0.0 warfare will just be reduced to a series of DDD's.
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 16:44:00 -
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Simply turn it into a mobile, jumpable OUTPOST.
Allow people to dock up in it, log in it etc.... and allow it to jump with people in it as well.
Give the pilot the capability to put it into a Dock Mode where he can safely leave the ship and have services etc continued and have a password lock on it so that others can't get into it.
That is a true super capital. |
HeavensGuard
DEADLY RENEGADE ELITE ASSASSIN MERC SQUAD Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:20:00 -
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i think the simple idea is to just limit the amount of titans for each alliance
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Shard Merchant
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:25:00 -
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There will be more titans in 12 months, but for all intensive purposes.. it won't be any different.
Titans have already lost their relevance, their uniqueness, and exclusivity. Hell, the new gates they're putting into the game will probably dwarf them on scale too.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck I quite like the idea of a focused DDD with the coold down period. It would be THE instrument to deal with Capital Blobs. Target, lock, Titan/MS/Dread/Carrier down. I dont see the Titan pilot even bother to waiste time locking a BS.
And I completly agree you when you say that unless something is done, in a matter of months 0.0 warfare will just be reduced to a series of DDD's.
Question: how long when you will see 10 man dread gangs (small corps/alliances) engaged by 10 titan gangs?
Oh yea and problem is not new - people said how it will end BEFORE first titan entered tranquility.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: HeavensGuard i think the simple idea is to just limit the amount of titans for each alliance
And what will stop people from creating alt-titan holding alliances? |
gallminin
Gallente Silver Lining Corp The Black Omega syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.24 23:17:00 -
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lol..not so much as putting a limit, but have something that will help against the power of a DD..like a bigger ship then a titan. of course im just babbling on aboutit. even tho if they were to create such a class wtf would they call it? even tho they wont. anyway.if you fear of getting dd...bring your own titain? i know there a ***** too make, just bring more then the enemy or dont come? |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 23:20:00 -
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Bringing your own titan is just escalating existing problem. Some people alreayd witnessed 2 fleets running wild in system trying to bait second fleet into getting DD'd. And tbh it might be fun once or twice but when most of engagements look like this it gets boring and sad. |
shoot me
House Harkonnen
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Posted - 2008.10.24 23:37:00 -
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How about making the DD a weapon of last resort. 1 Titan can only fire a DD once in its lifetime. The titan will survive the DD but can never fire another one without exploding.
Or even better make it chance based whether the titan explodes each time its fired from day one 1 chance in 5
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.25 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Grunthor Simply turn it into a mobile, jumpable OUTPOST.
Allow people to dock up in it, log in it etc.... and allow it to jump with people in it as well.
Give the pilot the capability to put it into a Dock Mode where he can safely leave the ship and have services etc continued and have a password lock on it so that others can't get into it.
That is a true super capital.
THIS TBH.
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Machine Delta
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.25 04:39:00 -
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Cry more. Maybe if you had skill and tactics to play through lag you wouldn't get doomsdayed. Clearly the only shortcomings lie with you not the game. *snip* Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Disteeler
Moritso Technologies
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Posted - 2008.10.25 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Daygore Aracnus Edited by: Daygore Aracnus on 24/10/2008 14:51:22 you could just make DD add a "localised spatial distortion" that makes DDs before the cool off have a "stacking" pelty but the "stack" drop in its effect as you reach DD refire point ie: 1 100% damage 2 at same time 100% damage, 50% damage 3 at same time 100% damage, 50% damage, 25% damage but then 1 then the next at 50% of the refire time.. 100% damage, 75%
fair enough you could just make it 20% of the refire time etc but the effect would be the same they aready have "fields" that make warp scrambling so why not (exept those that dont want it to be nerfed lol)?
I like this. Also, something along the lines "after a doomsday, the space continuum is so distorsioned that no other doomsday from any other titan can be fired in the next 10 minutes". |
Ziester
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.25 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Daygore Aracnus Edited by: Daygore Aracnus on 24/10/2008 14:51:22 you could just make DD add a "localised spatial distortion" that makes DDs before the cool off have a "stacking" pelty but the "stack" drop in its effect as you reach DD refire point ie: 1 100% damage 2 at same time 100% damage, 50% damage 3 at same time 100% damage, 50% damage, 25% damage but then 1 then the next at 50% of the refire time.. 100% damage, 75%
fair enough you could just make it 20% of the refire time etc but the effect would be the same they aready have "fields" that make warp scrambling so why not (exept those that dont want it to be nerfed lol)?
Not the most elegant solution but I can see CCP actually doing this since it doesn't require as much coding work as actually reworking the mechanic. Excellent thinking Aracnus.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.10.25 09:59:00 -
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Titans, moms and carriers all need a major overhaul on the order of the nanonerf. They should not be the ships of the line that they have become, rather they should be support ships backing up a fleet of regular ships. As it stands now, once the capital fleet rolls out all sub-capitals are useless outside of cyno alts and maybe dictors. Nano, lame as it is, at least provides an option that didnt involve spidertanking capital blobs.
POSes need some major work too. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
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Zondran
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.25 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zondran on 25/10/2008 12:19:21 you can easily avoid getting doomsdayed. Take into consideration that there is alwayws the chance that you loose a multi-billion isk ship when doing it.
Talking about this topic should be done be those who actually have experience with fights with Titans. You are not an expert about doomsdays because you were killed 1-2 times by one (omg, nerv the rats, they killed my NPC Raven).
Look at the fight in the north. Both parties have multiple titans. Noone whines "nerv the titans". Both parties know how to use/avoid Titans. Sooner or later the first titans will die and one partie can claim a big partial victory then.
Originally by: Del Narveux
POSes need some major work too.
qft
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Pipecock Jackxon
Gallente Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2008.10.25 12:48:00 -
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so, instead of giving (Example) the Leviathan a DD, give it a nuclear missile instead C: |
Inturist
Soviet Force Soviet Mercenary
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Posted - 2008.10.25 18:50:00 -
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Well i think Titans should get more roles .
Some ideas .
Make it something like transformer :
Titan go in some kind of 'siege mode ' and turning into station with cyno jammed system , ect ect , like normal outpost where peeps can dock , build refain ect ect .
Would also love to c some upgrades for Outposts where supercaps would be able to dock .
Just some idea |
Nuts Nougat
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.25 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Grunthor Simply turn it into a mobile, jumpable OUTPOST.
Allow people to dock up in it, log in it etc.... and allow it to jump with people in it as well.
Give the pilot the capability to put it into a Dock Mode where he can safely leave the ship and have services etc continued and have a password lock on it so that others can't get into it.
That is a true super capital.
Thread over. ---
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Diehard Si
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.27 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Inturist Well i think Titans should get more roles .
Some ideas .
Make it something like transformer :
Titan go in some kind of 'siege mode ' and turning into station with cyno jammed system , ect ect , like normal outpost where peeps can dock , build refain ect ect .
Would also love to c some upgrades for Outposts where supercaps would be able to dock .
Just some idea
That got me thinking, titan needs to 'siege' to fire DD? |
Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.27 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Grunthor Simply turn it into a mobile, jumpable OUTPOST.
Allow people to dock up in it, log in it etc.... and allow it to jump with people in it as well.
Give the pilot the capability to put it into a Dock Mode where he can safely leave the ship and have services etc continued and have a password lock on it so that others can't get into it.
That is a true super capital.
YES! /signed and can we have Motherships have the similar capabilities?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:25:00 -
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late.. there is already over 100 titans in game.
But CCP wil eventually nerf them. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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cyborg579
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Posted - 2008.11.06 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Grunthor Simply turn it into a mobile, jumpable OUTPOST.
Allow people to dock up in it, log in it etc.... and allow it to jump with people in it as well.
Give the pilot the capability to put it into a Dock Mode where he can safely leave the ship and have services etc continued and have a password lock on it so that others can't get into it.
That is a true super capital.
/signed
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.06 06:57:00 -
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How about a focused DD? somethink like 1million damage, aimed straight at 1 target? With a x minute cool off. Idea being they insta pop hostile caps.
Well first off 1M damage isn't going to insta pop capitals, secondly insta-kills are something to be avoided at all costs in a pvp game. 1 Shot kill removes any resemblance of skill from the game to simply first person to click their iWin button. Some things are unavoidable due to escalation(IE getting shot from 500 dreads in siege is likely to insta-kill you but that is reasonable due to the sheer numbers).
I like the idea of essentially turning them into mobile outposts. The entire idea of DDDs imo has been bad due to the above mentioned problems with 1 shot kills and DDDs effects on sub-capital ships.
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Maybe some sort of logistics side, like automatic armor and hull reps to gang members within x radius.
They already have gang bonuses(some really nice ones to), don't really think they need to have a bigger in-combat role. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
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