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Commander Yassir
The Seven Sins
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:40:00 -
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Which is better for close range? The thrasher or the catalyst? I have toyed around with blaster setups for the cormy but they aren't as good as the cat which pumps out on the side of 300 theoretical damage. I was wondering if the thrasher is any better/near as good. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. The Border Patrol
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Posted - 2009.01.05 17:53:00 -
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thrasher is better, it is not limited to 5 km range... in fact you can deal damage at longer distances. Catalysts are dead when their cap is empty, thrasher will keep fighting.
Catalyst is bound to thermal and kinetic, most common resists, thrasher has all flavors of damage, including rainbow.
Blasters do a little more DPS, but at much closer range, thrasher makes up for this when it starts to shoot from 15 km away.
Fall-off is very strong side of minimatar guns.
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Cosmic Raider
Solo Plex
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Posted - 2009.01.05 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 05/01/2009 23:40:04 I used to use my Cormorant just for salvage until FW started. Then I realized they could be a great ship for plexing. Dessies rule any defensive minor plex and can easily solo any offensive minor. Offensive mediums and majors are a problem solo - not worth it in my opinion. Defensive mediums and majors are very doable, especially because the odd inty will come bravely in to take you on betting that dessie = noob pilot and easy kill. My Cormorant does very well against all frigs and dessies in solo fights.
Took a fleet of dessies out last week - we had 10 dessies and a couple of tackling frigs. We lost three ships while doing 497m isk in damage. Not too shabby.
Here's my Corm fit.
Low: Mag Stab II or Tracking Enhancer II depending on if I intend to fly solo or not.
Mediums: Cold Gas Arcjet AB, Tracking Comp II with speed script, web, Invul field II.
Highs: 7x125mm II rails
Rigs: 3xshield resists. I know alot of people would frown on this as too pricey and I'm not going to disagree about that. I do think its saved me on occasion in solo fights.
Also, many of the skills to make a good dessie also apply to large ships as well. So, while dessies are a good and cheap ship to use while you are learning about PVP, you also gain valuable skills for later.
I really like what I see out of Thrashers and Coercer DPS can be huge.
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Wordsworth Fireheart
Gallente Freeform Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:11:00 -
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Took a cercer out in FW, me and another dessie ended up against a crow, an enyo and an amarr inty. The amarr inty took the fisrt hit, ended up in structure and warped off, my friend and the crow went off after him. While they were gone me and the enyo went at it, and I out dps'ed him and popped him (I had no scram, guess he was just over confident). Then the crow came back and I died I then decided I loved destroyers. 'If you can't do something smart, do something psychotic' |
Sung Mina
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:48:00 -
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When it comes to in close, nothing beats a Thrasher with 7 tech 2 200mm small autocannons |
Lupe Blanco
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:06:00 -
[66]
[Thrasher, Anti-Frig] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Medium Shield Extender II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile
Projectile Collision Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I [empty rig slot]
339 DPS with level V skills. Needs a 3% CPU implant. Has a nice shield buffer too.
I'm not sure whether to go with the Medium Shield Extender or a Stasis Webifier though... I can see times where you'd want a Web, but others where you'd really like that 2.2k shield.
Oh well, just my two cents.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Noob Much Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 14/01/2009 11:32:17
Originally by: Sanka Cofie Am I stupid/crazy enough to rig a destroyer?
I just might be.
I . just . might . be.
Dessie + T2 + skill + full set of rigs (maybe cheap ones, like shield resist stuff @ 2M/piece for a shield buffered dessie) + FW small plexes = total pwnage. Unless of course you get blobbed by 3+ frigs, but the last 20 minnie plexes I have taken I haven't seen a single frig |
Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Noob Much Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Yassir Which is better for close range? The thrasher or the catalyst? I have toyed around with blaster setups for the cormy but they aren't as good as the cat which pumps out on the side of 300 theoretical damage. I was wondering if the thrasher is any better/near as good.
Coercer.
Killed a trasher yesterday ... in a small plex ... with five rats on me ... coming back by alt-tab from reading the news with my shields already half down (thats how bored you get taking minnie plexes).
The rats got me cause I had like one HP left of my structure after I made him explode but Coercer ftw. |
Sung Mina
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Posted - 2009.01.15 03:28:00 -
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hey, interesting thing I got to do, Two thrasher combo
one thrasher fit with 220mm arty, missle launcher, mWD tracking disrupter, warp disrupter, 2 tracking
one thrasher fit 200mm autocannon, rocket launcher, mwd, warp scrambler, webbifier, 2 gyros
have the autocannon thrasher follow arty thrasher at 50
works great as fleet support combo |
Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:27:00 -
[70]
okay, finnally sat down and crunched the numbers on EFT
My current Thrasher Fit 7 200mm small autocannon II 1 malkuth rocket launcher 1 catalyzed arch jet mwd 1 Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler 1 F-90 Positional Sensor Sub-Routine w/ Scan Rez script 2 Pneumatic Stabalizers
216 Dps
Cost = about 19 mil when I bought the stuff in dodixie
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r0b0to
Dark Star Cartel
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Posted - 2009.01.15 11:31:00 -
[71]
AC thrashers are win -----------
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:08:00 -
[72]
Have to say after reading this I now suddenly have the urge to try and use my destroyers. Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:37:00 -
[73]
Love to hear that man =) Just remember 1vs1 you have to fit right and get lucky, fleet ops bounce the second you get primary, but for the most part people are happier shooting at other things than a tiny insignifigant destroyer. Then after thier fleet is shattered they wonder... WTF what happened to what's his name in the AF, and whosit in the Inty? Do you remember what happened to our drones? !@#$!%#$ my slave clone got podded !@#!@#$ so did mine!!! |
DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:31:00 -
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I am thinking of using it more in terms of a wingman for a guy in an Ishkur to help pop drones and smaller fare. Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
khamn
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:14:00 -
[75]
I have seen recently (post-QR) 2 destro (one thrasher and one coercer) warping at 50 km to a gate, instant-pop a T1 freg and warp out before be tackled by inties. |
Dani Leone
Gallente Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:51:00 -
[76]
Well having just come back after leaving right before FW hit, I can only say how delighted I am to see that Destroyers have become popular and folks are seeing what a lot of fun you can have with them. |
Emra
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Posted - 2009.01.25 22:27:00 -
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I`m fairly new 5 months to EVE. Love it!
My main ship that I enjoy learning for a multiple of roles is Minmitar Thrasher. I mean after bouncing around I just decided to own one and stick with it. I have 2 acually. Last night I made a mistake with it but lived to talk about it. I got tunnel vision on a rat, hit AB and closed at 800. When I opened up I realized that the rat was in the grips of a Raven up close which I thought at first was a Miner being harrased. The Raven was toying around with the rat. (Definately my best experience in Eve to date). As I blew by right between them (kinda like being surpised by a HS low flyby at an Airshow) I took out the rat right under the Ravens nose with 3 salvos, ( must have surprised him) and kept right on going. As I looked back I thought.????,...whoops not good. As I warped out there was a crow right on top of me (flashing red,...weird). I did manage to escape however and reflect on it later. Good rush. I now love my destroyer even more and have become quite attached to it. Yes it`s a riot to fly. The whole engagement was a fluke but it sure made me look like I knew what I was doing. Turns out the Raven and crow were together and they had bounties.
I`ll never forget that experience. Makes all the redundant mining worthwhile
Cheers
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Guer
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:41:00 -
[78]
anyone have a catalyst setup? The blaster setups I've been able to work up in EFT seem too slow.
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.28 09:58:00 -
[79]
[Catalyst, Interceptor Killer Sniper]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Sensor Booster II
125mm Railgun II, Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Spike S 125mm Railgun II, Spike S
Warrior II x1
[Catalyst, Plexalyst]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
1MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Hobgoblin II x1
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Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2009.02.18 02:27:00 -
[80]
Woot, I've got pods in my belly. Really do wish isk value on pods would show up, would like to see what the dude had plugged in.
Destroyers Rule!
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Sung Mina
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Posted - 2009.02.18 02:29:00 -
[81]
oh also, if you guys like the thrasher alot, the Rupture is the cruiser equivalent =)
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DARTHxFREE
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.18 20:03:00 -
[82]
Been threw 9 of these in the last 2 weeks :D like they say they tend to die easy.
Catylist is nice but the cost of Hybrid gear is almost 2x Projectile
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Warp Disruptor II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S [empty high slot]
/join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2009.03.20 06:49:00 -
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Hey guys, I'm incharge of recruiting for my corp "Red Rising." So if you are a destroyer pilot, or know of a destroyer pilot looking for a corp, mail me in game
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Miilla
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:13:00 -
[84]
Use a destroyer as a cheap ninja salvager :)
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crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:55:00 -
[85]
Edited by: crockett EXE on 20/03/2009 18:59:34 I love auto cannon Thrashers.. I'm still getting my PvP feet wet but it's a nice and very easy to fit ship for noobs. Personally I go T2 on the mids and lows but keep it T1 meta 3 on the AC guns to keep it on the cheap. (republic fleet emp s)
Not to mention when you need to make money it makes a hell of a ratting/salvage boat even for low sec battle ships.
I did set up a 280 T2 arty version last night just to play with, but I'm still experimenting with fittings for it. I can only fit six 280 T2's and maybe a cloak if I want it in the highs.
With a tracking and range boosters I can target and shoot ships around 40km. I was thinking of adding a suppressed targeting, which might give me the chance to get 2 maybe 3 volleys before the other guy knows what's happening.
Right now, I'm just debating the trade off, do I add a AB and maybe a beta hull conversion to keep my distance, or use gyro's/tracking enhancers for better gunnery?
I can't wait till I can fit that 7th 280mm, should do some cheap damage..However it's a highly specialized fit though, so it's use is likely very limited but fun to play with. Draw back is of couse when alone, there is nothing to keep the target ship from warping if you don't kill him fast.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tactical Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.21 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pater Peccavi on 21/03/2009 06:06:06
Originally by: crockett EXE Edited by: crockett EXE on 20/03/2009 18:59:34 I love auto cannon Thrashers.. I'm still getting my PvP feet wet but it's a nice and very easy to fit ship for noobs. Personally I go T2 on the mids and lows but keep it T1 meta 3 on the AC guns to keep it on the cheap. (republic fleet emp s)
Not to mention when you need to make money it makes a hell of a ratting/salvage boat even for low sec battle ships.
I did set up a 280 T2 arty version last night just to play with, but I'm still experimenting with fittings for it. I can only fit six 280 T2's and maybe a cloak if I want it in the highs.
With a tracking and range boosters I can target and shoot ships around 40km. I was thinking of adding a suppressed targeting, which might give me the chance to get 2 maybe 3 volleys before the other guy knows what's happening.
Right now, I'm just debating the trade off, do I add a AB and maybe a beta hull conversion to keep my distance, or use gyro's/tracking enhancers for better gunnery?
I can't wait till I can fit that 7th 280mm, should do some cheap damage..However it's a highly specialized fit though, so it's use is likely very limited but fun to play with. Draw back is of couse when alone, there is nothing to keep the target ship from warping if you don't kill him fast.
I tend to use 250mm thrashers, much easier to fit than 280's. My typical fit:
[Thrasher, Arty Thrasher] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
1MN MicroWarpdrive I Sensor Booster I Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S [empty high slot] 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Warp in at range, clear frigs off the field, pop any pods that forgot to spam the "Warp To" button, then turn your guns on the primary. The Warp Disruptor can be replaced with whatever you want, I only have it in there since my gang wanted me to have a long range point last time I took it out. Warp Scrambler's can work nice on any frig that gets too close, or an extra Sensor Booster to improve locking time.
Edit: Er, and I tend to use Tremor S most of the time. Only reason Fusion was fitted was I forgot to stock up on Tremor before the op ----
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Buchatar
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.21 10:37:00 -
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I see a lot of fitting for the Minmatar and the Amarr Destroyers. Are there any reasonable concepts for the Caldari one? ---- Nuclear Launch Detected. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Public Funded War Targets
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 21/03/2009 12:32:07 Very interesting thread this. Just looking into using destroyers in other roles than gank fleet ships. I especially approve of the interceptor killer Catalyst fitting, very good
In my current setup for FW solo plexing I use 125mm guns, afterburner and an armor tank. The reasoning for rails instead of blasters is that I will not be defenceless against longer range enemy WTs which might come for a fight. However, in most setups I see no tank whatsoever. Is it silly to fit a tank on a destroyer for FW solo plexing ?
Current fitting : [low] Small Armor Repairer II EANM II Reactive Plating II (can't fit DC II because of the probe launcher)
[mid] 1MN AB II Warp Disrupter I
[high] 7 * 125mm Railgun II 1 * Core Probe Launcher
Please critize and discuss
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Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:10:00 -
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If you're good enough to not get podded every time I suggest riggin your thrasher. Here is my latest fit.
7 x Small Autocannon Type II 1 x Markluk Rocket Launcher 1 x 1mn Microwarp drive 1 x Sensor Booster 1 x Fleeting warp scrambler 1 x Pneumatic Gyrostabalizer 1 x Nanofiber Hull Type II
1 x Projectile Collision Accelerator I 1 x Projectile Burst Aerator I
I'm melting through stuff, nice part about this is I think you should switch out for arty with no problems
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:59:00 -
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I am having a great time with the Thrasher and small artillery, 2 volleys on punishers
One warning: Train Destroyers 4, learn to control range, don't forget your web
[i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1 |
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