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DubanFP
Caldari Evil ALT Corp Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.26 00:53:00 -
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I stumbled across this video when looking around Chibbra's EVE-files. He may have won the battle but I want to use him as an example of everything you can do wrong when PVPing.
Lets start with his ship fitting as it is clearly visible. A few major things come to mind.
1) Notice how he's fit 6 Guns to his thron and 1 launcher. The Megathron has 7 turret slots and 8 slots altogether. Empty slots. Never leave slots empty. If you have 7 gun slots on a gunship use all of them even if you have to grab something smaller. It's generally better to fit 7 Ions then 6 Neutrons.
2) Warp scrams. He fit the short range warp scramblers instead of the longer ranged warp disruptors. It could be argued that he wanted the second point for WCSed targets but still on ships larger then a frigate the range is almost always prefered.
3) No weapon upgrades. He didn't fit even a single Magnetic Field stabilizer. Even 1 damage upgrade would up his damage 20% and two by roughly 40%. A dead enemy doesn't do damage.
4) Dual LARs and a plate. Although the LARs, I think faction but i don't speak spanish, did him well in this battle against weaker opponents. However another 20% damage from a weapon upgrade would probebly have suited him much better then the plate.
On to how he handled the battle.
1) "Proceed with this dangerous act?". For starters any good pirate would have turned this off long ago. It along with not activating the modules until after he had lock bought the opponent precious time in which he could have escaped. Using hotkeys instead of clicking would have been faster too.
2) Webifier. Very quickly you'll notice that he failed to web the Raven despite being at close range. This allowed the Raven to escape the short ranged Megathron and survive. It should have been an easy kill.
3) He skimps on the MWD. It is good to try and conserve your cap. However every moment your enemy is firing while you aren't firing back is another moment you have to tank them without your own abillity to fight. Again, dead enemies deal no damage.
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.10.26 09:06:00 -
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Funny thing is that he is proud of it.
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
DGAF Newbie Guide
Kaths blog about all things Eve |
Ancy Denaries
Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.10.26 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP 3) He skimps on the MWD. It is good to try and conserve your cap. However every moment your enemy is firing while you aren't firing back is another moment you have to tank them without your own abillity to fight. Again, dead enemies deal no damage.
If you look carefully, you'll see that the propulsion mod only yields marginal speed increase. It's no MWD. It's not even a 100MN Afterburner. It's a 10MN Afterburner...on a battleship...
What...the... |
Pete X
Minmatar Shadow Legion.
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Posted - 2008.10.26 12:10:00 -
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that video... is just... *goes crazy*... awful! |
Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.10.26 12:32:00 -
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question is, whats worse that mega fit - or the raven loosing to it :) |
Ruslatunna Ostur
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:44:00 -
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OK, it's not a great fit but he got three kills out of it and survived. if he'd webbed the Raven he'd have killed that as well.
Don't knock it too much, it worked for him and he had the balls to do it.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.26 14:05:00 -
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maybe he is doing everything right and your advice is wrong! ever think of that!? *head explodes* |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.26 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ruslatunna Ostur OK, it's not a great fit but he got three kills out of it and survived. if he'd webbed the Raven he'd have killed that as well.
Don't knock it too much, it worked for him and he had the balls to do it.
this, and ontop of that, all of you seem so very observant about his ship fittings and fighting techniques, but do you guys also read the TITLE of the video?
PSYCHODRUNK
he was probably drunk when he made this video, its obviously going to miss a couple of things, lol |
Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.10.26 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
4) Although the LARs, I think faction but i don't speak spanish
That language was not Spanish, plus "Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer" was in English.
He did fail pretty hard, and his setup wasn't spectacular, but luckily his opponents were far studier/drunker/horrible than him. Just goes to show that, in EVE, you don't have to be awesome. ----------
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Ruslatunna Ostur
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Posted - 2008.10.26 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Elise Randolph He did fail pretty hard
Three kills, no losses. He failed hard?
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.26 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ruslatunna Ostur
Originally by: Elise Randolph He did fail pretty hard
Three kills, no losses. He failed hard?
Well, that's the difference between theory and practice. In theory he failed pretty hard, making plenty of mistakes. It could definitely have been done better. In practice he owned. |
Dyaven
Interstellar Mining and Research
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Posted - 2008.10.26 20:55:00 -
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I think it's the people he was fighting that did the failing in this video... a Raven, Drake, Harbringer, and Hurricane couldn't kill a poorly piloted Megathron? |
faxtarious
Kai-Zen inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.26 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dyaven I think it's the people he was fighting that did the failing in this video... a Raven, Drake, Harbringer, and Hurricane couldn't kill a poorly piloted Megathron?
yeah I was more focused on the amount to dmg he was taking...Usually I don,t like one minuet when facing such a big gang....he not only out lasted them ...but kept popping them ...he even had his guns turned off...like wtf...
I have never been that lucky...usually I get scrambled,webbed, ECMed, Neuted, and killed...
hey don,t even ask for ransom nowadays :( |
Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.27 00:08:00 -
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sometimes you surprise yourself, sometimes your opponent isn't as scary as his ships are.
i just recently killed two taranis and a sacrilidge in my thorax with no implants :D
not a large feat, but I'm just pointing out how sometimes having the balls to stay engaged wins you fights you didn't even know you could survive "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up" |
Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.10.27 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ruslatunna Ostur
Originally by: Elise Randolph He did fail pretty hard
Three kills, no losses. He failed hard?
Please, continue to read the rest of my post. My post wasn't a buffet: you don't just get to pick and choose what you want.
Originally by: Ruslatunna Ostur
He failed hard
Did you see what I did there? |
Ralania Kerin
Minmatar z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2008.10.27 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP He may have won the battle but I want to use him as an example of everything you can do wrong when PVPing.
I hope you never find any of my videos.
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Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:44:00 -
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And dont forget in that 8th slot many people fit a module so when they overheat--the module takes the damage as a heat sink...
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Valory And dont forget in that 8th slot many people fit a module so when they overheat--the module takes the damage as a heat sink...
i go carebear style and fit a salvager in utility slot if grid is tight, ull be suprised how much isk u can make from t2 salvage compared to the lame-ass gain from 1 small neut EVE history
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DubanFP
Caldari Evil ALT Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Valory And dont forget in that 8th slot many people fit a module so when they overheat--the module takes the damage as a heat sink...
Ignoring the fact that he didn't overheat I have 1 counterarguement. 7 guns + 1 heatsink is going to be a lot better then then 6 guns, 1 launcher, 1 heatsink. I find it unlikely, but even if that is the case he's still crapping it out. _______________
"White, Black, Minmitar, Achura, Male or Female it doesn't matter to me. I'm an equal opportunity killer" |
Boon McBwen
Caldari State Protectorate Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.04 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Boon McBwen on 04/11/2008 00:10:17
Originally by: Elise Randolph Just goes to show that, in EVE, you don't have to be awesome.
no, you dont have to be awesome, but it helps
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skintsaint
Tides of Silence KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.04 08:17:00 -
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back to OP.
no Drones either...least have 5 T2 med/large on a mega!
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oodin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.04 08:44:00 -
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dubanFP when will you post a video showing how it should be done??
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Bhodistafa
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.04 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: skintsaint back to OP.
no Drones either...least have 5 T2 med/large on a mega!
He did have drones.
He also had a double armour rep set up which gave him a decent tank. I was curious as to why he warped out? It wasn't like his tank was failing and he was in danger of losing.
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oodin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.04 09:00:00 -
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just watched the video and its awesome !!!! i laghed so hard he used a 10ab wich made is thron go from 137 to 144m/s and still he caught battlecruisers that have a base speed even higher then his max speed due to bad vid quality i couldnt see his name so can anyone post his name and the name of the incompetent fools that tried to kill him with that setup and still killing all those guys only mean 1 thing,the other guys was complete idiots at pvp maybe he has low skills and bad fitting but he got balls and thats enough please gimme his name cause i want to start a fanclub for the dude
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oodin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.04 09:01:00 -
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no seriously i want to start a fanclub
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Pax Scindus
Gallente Music As A Weapon THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.05 21:01:00 -
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Good god... could you fit any more smilies in the damn post? Agreed, EFT would laugh at him, but he pulled it off... somehow. ----------------------------------------- Pax de magnus vis vires e solum via. Without strength, there can be no peace.
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oodin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.05 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Pax Scindus Good god... could you fit any more smilies in the damn post? Agreed, EFT would laugh at him, but he pulled it off... somehow.
yes ,but i didnt
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samiup
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Posted - 2008.11.10 21:57:00 -
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well, very good points, thanks.
but still, i think the raven is either a noob with no BS adequate skills or someone with worst fittings then the megathron...
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Kashre
Minmatar Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.11.13 05:25:00 -
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Maybe he just threw whatever he had in his hanger on his ship and went out expecting to get killed as relief from the boredom? Hey... I've done it. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa |
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