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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:30:00 -
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[quote=Herping yourDerp just like the obesity "epidemic" suddenly everyone has a disease that no one heard of 10 or 20 years ago..[/quote]
lol ya noone was fat before that
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:37:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:in the 90s no one heard of autism, assburgers and many other diseases
SUDDENLY 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!! zomg 9 in 10 people have autism just like the obesity "epidemic" suddenly everyone has a disease that no one heard of 10 or 20 years ago.
my advice, try and be like the 90s was because maybe its the food people eat and the way they don't exercise as much. eat fatty foods like we did in the 80s and 90s, play outside every day or so turn off your cell phone for a few hours a day ect. Could also be the fact that they re examined the guidelines of what exactly autism is. They broaden it and surprise! More people were diagnosed. It's like if you cast a larger net you can catch more fish! Even CDC reports reflect this in plain English... "Dear public vaccines do not cause autism... The reason more people have autism is because they redefined what it is, and who fits under it"... Seriously go look up how general the definition is now. IT MUST BE SOMETHING IN THE AIR!!! /sigh...
So mercury isn't a neurotoxin now, zippy? Thimerosal did not contain mercury?
Of course, I have to say the exact cause cited... because Rule #1 of doing the idiot roll is to never argue facts, never bring up facts, just be condescending.... like you know what you are talking about, which you don't.
But the doses were too low!
Cause, you know, one year old baby resistance to neurotoxins is honestly probably higher than a full grown mans! Just saying. Ya know. It just makes sense!
Of course, they still stopped using it. But you know, a bunch of people said it was dangerous, and then the medical industry stopped using it.
My mamma always said, were there is smoke, there certainly ain't fire! Anyone who tells you different, they probably is lying to you!
Oh, and zippy, vaccines in general.... you know, not nearly safe as you think. Normal product liability is suspended for vaccines in the United States. You want to know what *BLEEP* they replaced it with? Use google. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
337
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:21:00 -
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I do know polio was something people lived in fear of when I was a child. I knew people in those heavy metal leg braces. I was among the first, at five years old, to take the oral vaccine in a sugar cube. Then there was no polio. Poliomyelitis was horrifying. Franklin Roosevelt caught it in his adulthood. If it wasn't lethal, it was certainly crippling. As far as anyone knew at the time, anyone could catch it, then life as you knew it ended.
The smallpox vaccine has a remarkable history. Smallpox was a scourge. And, the rabies vaccination I get my dog? There's no way anyone can convince me to do otherwise. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Marginal performance has more to do with the failures you see in a lot of this. Also, there may be some things it's pointless to vaccinate against; taking a good thing too far. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
588
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:36:00 -
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I was diagnosed too when I was young: Cynical, jaded and bitter.
My prognosis is apparently grim and it is something I have to live with for the rest of my life. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
108
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:42:00 -
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So Mittens tells some guy to end it and in the ensuing marathon of soapboxing we decide to be guilt-ridden into airing all our PC laundry?
Who the **** cares that you have aspergers? Don't make a point of bringing it up and its not an issue. I'm sure over half of the retreads in this game probably partially qualify themselves. People are going to talk **** about everything, so just ignore it and move on.
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Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
65
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:54:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Lots of people claim that they are assholes in game but they are not assholes out of game.
I think these sort of discriminatory comments demonstrate that is not the case.
Anonymity only makes you show what you're really like, without fear of serious repercussions. My 0.02$.
What that implies for the character of the player behind the toon I leave for each of you to decide. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
151
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:08:00 -
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Zirise wrote:So Mittens tells some guy to end it and in the ensuing marathon of soapboxing we decide to be guilt-ridden into airing all our PC laundry?
Who the **** cares that you have aspergers? Don't make a point of bringing it up and its not an issue. I'm sure over half of the retreads in this game probably partially qualify themselves. People are going to talk **** about everything, so just ignore it and move on.
The point was not really who does and does not have Aspergers, but that insulting people by using people's disabilities as a slur is no better than a racial slur, but yet it is done repeatedly in this game and on these forums.
I feel if they block racial slurs and swearing they really should block this gutter attack on people who in a lot of cases cannot defend them selves. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
90
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Posted - 2012.04.03 08:13:00 -
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Hito-Shura wrote:I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control.
And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.
Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.
And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?
Wear it with pride.
People are just jealous that Aspies are smarter than them. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.04.03 08:42:00 -
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Dyner wrote:People are just jealous that Aspies are smarter than them. You just pretty much stated that you don't believe people with aspergers are people. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.04.03 08:47:00 -
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Aspies be sperging in da thread |
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ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
7
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:17:00 -
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Hito-Shura wrote:I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control.
And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.
Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.
And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?
Well mate going off your qualifactions, autism has not let you down in life but it seems its given you the edge.
I would be proud to have those qualifactions myself. People who use that type of slander in the game are just ignorate of the fact it can be a gift.
I have epilespy, so i'm not allowed to drive. Yes its an inconvience, but hey i got a job and happily married.
I do enjoy correcting people who do understand epilespy, don't let them get you down, just know they don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Best wishes
ctx2007 |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:21:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Man are we scraping the barrel or what with all this pc stuff. Not so sure about this one though. I've seen our wonderful starred word ******** used often but autistic? Really? If anything more often than not I see the autistic people using their autism as a crutch (both in game and out), and when I say autistic people I really mean specifically the Asperger crowd. I've come to liken them to the ADHD's, who back in the 90's appeared to be every 1 out of 2 people. In fact I did a little research on Aspergers recently as I've been hearing the term more and more and it turns out that it and ADHD has quite an abundance of similar symptoms. Now I can't help but wonder if Aspergers is the new craze for Doctors who want to drug you with something new and expensive.
Just stick to your burger flipping and you will be fine. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
279
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:39:00 -
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OP wrote:I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland
Escape From L.A. wrote:You may have survived Cleveland. You may have escaped from New York. But, this is L.A., vato. And, you're about to find out that this ******* city can kill anybody!
Also, just to add, my impression is that one does not simply live in Cleveland; one survives there. |
Halete
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:41:00 -
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I, for one, find that a certain degree of autism enhances the EVE:O experience. Generic small-time hero-tackle pilot with no relevance. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
125
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:04:00 -
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America is so funny. No one is just stupid anymore everyone has to have a medically recognised syndrome.
Im my time i have encoutered a lot of Aspies and people with Autism and they truly could not write like you could. Many of them will be have to be cared and looked after for the rest of their lives.
My bests friends Aspie Brother likes to stand at the train station all day and count trains. He could not play this game or use a forum even if he wanted to.
The medicalisation of normality is the American way, Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
37
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:06:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:It's actually really simple.
People ridicule or hate what they don't understand. It's easier than getting to know the unknown.
Those who resort to names like Spacejew, *****, Sperg etc are nothing more than morally handicapped people with a severe lack of the human genome. Most of them you reckognize by them dragging their knuckles over the ground while walking.
Actually, it is simple, my recomendation for the OP is to kill everybody in sight , he'll feel better, fixed.
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BuzzyBeagle
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
123
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:06:00 -
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OP: With all due respect, you ask "why is Autism bad all of a sudden?"
I need to ask you. When was Autism ever a GOOD thing?
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Aggressive Nutmeg
148
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:25:00 -
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Holy carp. Autism is nasty stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
Would not surprise me if a higher than average number of people with this condition do play Eve. Would explain a lot. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Ghoest
317
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:42:00 -
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I may have Aspergers - most of my family thinks I do - and I function effectivly in the real world but a bit differently than most people. And I would guess that high functioning autism is a common condition to find in EVE as opposed to other places on the internet.
But dont start being pouty about it being an insult when its used as a metaphor. Its bad enough that so many gay guys cry about this. The truth is some of us do behave differently than most people, its noticeable and its makes sense to use it as a metaphor. Lets just deal with it. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
126
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:48:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:I may have Aspergers - most of my family thinks I do - and I function effectivly in the real world but a bit differently than most people. And I would guess that high functioning autism is a common condition to find in EVE as opposed to other places on the internet.
But dont start being pouty about it being an insult when its used as a metaphor. Its bad enough that so many gay guys cry about this. The truth is some of us do behave differently than most people, its noticeable and its makes sense to use it as a metaphor. Lets just deal with it.
Holy moly whats it like to have a family full of clinical psychologists who have diagnosed you. Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:48:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Kattshiro wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:in the 90s no one heard of autism, assburgers and many other diseases
SUDDENLY 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!! zomg 9 in 10 people have autism just like the obesity "epidemic" suddenly everyone has a disease that no one heard of 10 or 20 years ago.
my advice, try and be like the 90s was because maybe its the food people eat and the way they don't exercise as much. eat fatty foods like we did in the 80s and 90s, play outside every day or so turn off your cell phone for a few hours a day ect. Could also be the fact that they re examined the guidelines of what exactly autism is. They broaden it and surprise! More people were diagnosed. It's like if you cast a larger net you can catch more fish! Even CDC reports reflect this in plain English... "Dear public vaccines do not cause autism... The reason more people have autism is because they redefined what it is, and who fits under it"... Seriously go look up how general the definition is now. IT MUST BE SOMETHING IN THE AIR!!! /sigh... So mercury isn't a neurotoxin now, zippy? Thimerosal did not contain mercury? Of course, I have to say the exact cause cited... because Rule #1 of doing the idiot roll is to never argue facts, never bring up facts, just be condescending.... like you know what you are talking about, which you don't. But the doses were too low! Cause, you know, one year old baby resistance to neurotoxins is honestly probably higher than a full grown mans! Just saying. Ya know. It just makes sense! Of course, they still stopped using it. But you know, a bunch of people said it was dangerous, and then the medical industry stopped using it. My mamma always said, were there is smoke, there certainly ain't fire! Anyone who tells you different, they probably is lying to you! Oh, and zippy, vaccines in general.... you know, not nearly safe as you think. Normal product liability is suspended for vaccines in the United States. You want to know what *BLEEP* they replaced it with? Use google.
Cool story bro. I mean it is a story.
Also names not Zippy, Champ. |
Ghoest
317
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:55:00 -
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Ghoest wrote:I may have Aspergers - most of my family thinks I do - and I function effectivly in the real world but a bit differently than most people. And I would guess that high functioning autism is a common condition to find in EVE as opposed to other places on the internet.
But dont start being pouty about it being an insult when its used as a metaphor. Its bad enough that so many gay guys cry about this. The truth is some of us do behave differently than most people, its noticeable and its makes sense to use it as a metaphor. Lets just deal with it. Holy moly whats it like to have a family full of clinical psychologists who have diagnosed you.
Its not really like that. Its just that over time over the year of being around me and seeing the way I live differently thats everyone best guess.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:01:00 -
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Remember, you can always ignore people who offend you. This is just a game. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:05:00 -
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OP - The most likely reason is that once alerted to one, or two comments you either consciously or subconsciously began to look for a pattern. Not surprisingly you noticed even more comments - specifically because you were looking for them.
I doubt that there is a fundamental shift in attitudes towards autism, or that its use as a meme has become more prominent - you've simply become aware of an existing undercurrent of commentary around the subject.
Its possible that charities and medical opinion has been pushing the condition further towards the front on mainstream media coverage for some reason* - social advertising essentially - and this might bleed through virally into on line content (like an MMO).
*(A quick online search tells me that World Autism Awareness Day was on Monday, which supports the above analysis).
C.
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Hito-Shura
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:18:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:OP wrote:I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland Escape From L.A. wrote:You may have survived Cleveland. You may have escaped from New York. But, this is L.A., vato. And, you're about to find out that this ******* city can kill anybody! Also, just to add, my impression is that one does not simply live in Cleveland; one survives there.
Indeed.
The only thing about Cleveland that really gets me is the heartbreaking Indians, especially in the 90s. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
41
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:20:00 -
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Apathic incompetent carebears are insulted as autists because they behave like autists even though most of them are presumably not, in fact, autists. They could interact normally with other people, form communities, defend together against threats (gankers), but they choose not to.
It's like insulting someone as a ****** who is actually mentally healthy but acts as if he was in fact mentally ********. It's not an insult if you call someone what they really are. That is called impoliteness... |
Hito-Shura
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:20:00 -
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Cailais wrote:
*(A quick online search tells me that World Autism Awareness Day was on Monday, which supports the above analysis).
C.
Wait. It was? When was this? Where was I when this happened? |
Ghoest
317
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:31:00 -
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Hito-Shura wrote:Cailais wrote:
*(A quick online search tells me that World Autism Awareness Day was on Monday, which supports the above analysis).
C.
Wait. It was? When was this? Where was I when this happened?
I think you were busy counting stuff.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:31:00 -
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The people who use language such as this are just appropriating things that are 'different' to them since they are MUCH easier to assign a negative value to them.
It's the easy way to insult, and gets down to what a person IS (suffering from autism, gay (as if it is new or something))...usually some quality that is inherent and cannot be changed.
It is a quick and easy tool of the weak-minded. But then we ARE talking about the Goons here.........
It's been like this since ancient history and mankind is no better, not a whit.
Best thing is to just NOT CARE. Memorize your new mantra:
"Carebears don't care so much they don't come to your space and they don't harass you and indeed they don't even fight back. That is the ultimate don't care and there isn't anything you can do, short of dying of starvation next to a pack of Cheetos, that will demostrate a don't care level beyond that of the carebear." Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
165
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:32:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:If you want to bat this ball around...I raised an eight-year old with Asperger's to (he's now) 22 years old. He was an honor grad in high school. Made the Dean's List in undergrad. He's now in graduate-level physics.
When I first became a parental authority "over" this kid, I was told he was high-functioning autistic, with Asperger's Syndrome. But, I'd raised two other children to adulthood by then, so I figured I'd had some experience with kids with which to make better than average observations. It wasn't long before it dawned on me the kid didn't have a disorder. He was just different. He processes information differently than "normal" people. And, most normal people today find it difficult to process information at all.
What is stunning is his memory and recall ability. He can quote me exactly from the age he was eight to today. I hate it when kids say, "But, you said..." It's even worse when they get it right. Getting it right EVERY TIME is a bit unnerving. However, it has to be marked if someone is 100% accurate in recall. Another thing I noticed is he didn't require a lot of background to dive into some rather deep subjects, which involved juggling half a dozen or more bits of information, including the plethora of extrapolations with variables that ensue. "Normal" kids required a bit of a refresher to bring them back up to speed on what was previously discussed in order to progress with a discussion.
(Discussing what? Oh, simple things like: Is the physical universe comprised entirely of waves, and do our misapprehensions create in our imaginations the existence of "matter?" Where in the universe does consciousness actually reside? What exactly is occuring during the cognitive process? Simple stuff...are humans eternally entrapped in self-imposed ignorance using warfare as a passtime as a result; a fear-based compensation?)
During his public school days he was eternally bullied and picked on. The "normal" kids targeted him early and constantly. This, of course, gave me ample ground to cover "how the self-doubting, herd mentality drives the behavior of individuals being initiated into a self-willed competitive society when their nature as a social species is cooperative, and how that is the root of abherrent behavior, such as putting others down to elevate themselves." The good stuff.
He's unable to read facial expressions and vocal inflections and how they signify an added meaning to what people say. If you say something sarcastically, he takes it literally. Of course, some things like smiling aren't a problem. Figuring out if someone's angry is a bit more difficult. Oddly enough, while being ill-treated by the average American schoolchild, they always smiled. That could get confusing. What amazes me most about him is he harbors no ill will toward anyone regardless of it all. He's literally the nicest person you'd ever want to meet. Though, he's learned his lesson well from me, he doesn't have to take any crap off of anyone. Since he's six-foot four and weighs a muscular 250 pounds, I wouldn't want to be the one on whom he finally unloads that right-cross I taught him. Ow.
I wish I could agree that "ignorance" covers this behavior you see. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. This sort of aggression is used as a social ladder in this society. There are cheers and pats on the back...knowing lulz...as it's being done. I suggest you not concern yourself with it. Enjoy the game. Let the stupidity roll down your back, as you seem to do. They aren't gonna change for themselves. They certainly won't change for you.
Quoted for wisdom. It's only a disorder from the neurotypical point of view. They just don't like anything challenging their worldview, and can't accept that people are different. Also, 'normal' people are assholes, especially on the internet. However, this is EVE. You don't like what they're saying? Track them down and kill them. Find out where they mission or mine or haul, and blow up their ship. Or hire mercenaries to ****-wardec their corp and siege their PoS.
I have (relatively mild) aspergers myself. EVE is perfectly suited to my mindset. I can do repetitive tasks, sort things, and crunch spreadsheets and numbers all day. And being a game, things make sense! Do X, Y happens reliably! |
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