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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.27 00:34:00 -
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This is how i fit em up, noticed that people go all DHP II when they want that heavy neut.
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O btw thats with +5% in there, no pashans, but slaves, you'll get around 29k armour hitpoints without.
Its not alot different from the all dhp II setup, but hits abotu 60 dps more and that corpii modules about 15-20m isk, you can drop to a true sansha one for 5-10m.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.27 01:07:00 -
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nice cpu usage |
Yoko Lee
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.27 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Yoko Lee on 27/10/2008 01:19:04 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=907806
Other topic, why creat a new one? |
kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.27 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yoko Lee Edited by: Yoko Lee on 27/10/2008 01:19:04 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=907806
Other topic, why creat a new one?
Because that ones innudated with previous setup from pre EA.
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Khadur
Minmatar The Priory
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:02:00 -
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Nice i'll buy one now =D
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.10.30 14:30:00 -
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Nice fit Kessah :)
But without slaves, would you keep tripple trimark or possibly go trimark, 2x aux nano pump (maybe in combo with a nice booster)?
Also it looks like AWU 5 so for us lowly pvp-ers we could take 5 DHPL II and 2 MPL II and get a better webber in to boot..
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide.. |
John W
LoneStar Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 16:08:00 -
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gotta love those geddons - back after 2.5yrs + \o btw
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.31 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Keitaro Baka Nice fit Kessah :)
But without slaves, would you keep tripple trimark or possibly go trimark, 2x aux nano pump (maybe in combo with a nice booster)?
Also it looks like AWU 5 so for us lowly pvp-ers we could take 5 DHPL II and 2 MPL II and get a better webber in to boot..
Id continue with this setup reguardless of slaves. Its the best setup for the geddon ive come across so far. also the aux pump are oddly expensive atm.
The web is important, but i cant say id wish to take down another mp for it, you could buy another corpii plate?
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Crellion
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 16:41:00 -
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Your Geddon is very nice but too slow for school dude Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.31 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion Your Geddon is very nice but too slow for school dude
Its not really ment for 0.0 fighting.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.31 18:53:00 -
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Hrmmm not bad, I'd be more inclined to ditch the LARII for another plate though at which point you could downgrade your cap booster to a medium one and still keep stable and fit more mega pulse! -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
Yoko Lee
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.31 19:07:00 -
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for gang, i love to use it :
7x mega pulse II, 1x large solace armor repair 1x sensor booster II, 1x med cap inj, 1x disruptor 3x 1600mm rt, 1x ts eanm, 1x iffa dc, 3x heat sink II
3x rigs trimak
5x berserker II
Pwe Pwe ... U die !
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 19:16:00 -
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Having fun hugging gates and stations? Boink! |
Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.31 20:48:00 -
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Well its nice if you can sit still at close range forever.
The lack of MWD is disturbing to say the least and you are quite vunerable to both tracking disruptors and ECM. But I guess if stuff like that comes your way, you can always dock or deaggress/jump.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Yoko Lee
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.31 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Well its nice if you can sit still at close range forever.
The lack of MWD is disturbing to say the least and you are quite vunerable to both tracking disruptors and ECM. But I guess if stuff like that comes your way, you can always dock or deaggress/jump.
Yep ecm can be problem but i come after (i have a bait) then no problem :) mwd its for 0.0 not for low, u kill or u die (u re a man or not :p)
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 01/11/2008 09:05:42
Originally by: ElCoCo Having fun hugging gates and stations?
Thats low sec for you. CCP supplies us with the tool, its up to us how we choose to use them.
Originally by: Yoko Lee
Originally by: Artemis Rose Well its nice if you can sit still at close range forever.
The lack of MWD is disturbing to say the least and you are quite vunerable to both tracking disruptors and ECM. But I guess if stuff like that comes your way, you can always dock or deaggress/jump.
Yep ecm can be problem but i come after (i have a bait) then no problem :) mwd its for 0.0 not for low, u kill or u die (u re a man or not :p)
MWD's are not important. Honestly Not important. In one aspect of fighting they might well be, aka 0.0 fighting, but il state my reasons for this again.
Not all of eve fights petty wars in unclaimed space. My setups always reflect this, always will, i shall never fight in 0.0
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Mo adib
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:31:00 -
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I am curious if you are using it for lowsec/station humping/gate humping why does this work better then an abaddon?
you can reach those dps numbers with an abaddon but you can have a much bigger passive tank.
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib I am curious if you are using it for lowsec/station humping/gate humping why does this work better then an abaddon?
you can reach those dps numbers with an abaddon but you can have a much bigger passive tank.
It works for most situations, whether sitting on a station or gate or simply roaming.
Works better than the abaddon because its cheaper and in fairness the Geddon does do more dmg with a larger drone bay. Nothing hits home to a jamming ship than 5 heavies while you yourself are shut down if the pilots silly enough to get in range.
The Neut is incredibly useful enabling you to disable nano ships and hurt a Curse's cap more than he hurts your's. It can shut of a ships mwd so in effect allowing your drones to catch up, your guns to track and hit and if they are close enough web the ship.
Also the neut will shut down a frigates cap so if aligned you can warp out because he will have no cap to run an MWD.
Geddon is more effective than the Abaddon in certain area's.
More Versatile Cheaper... Alot cheaper. Larger Drone bay (can be an advantage if jammed)
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Guygeboe
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:48:00 -
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I am SOOO looking forward to the next Forever pirate with this ship :)
( sorry i have no knowledge about armarr ships but it looks pretty nice ;) )
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Mo adib
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:07:00 -
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I just dont see how you are concerned with cheaper if you can afford a full set of slaves.
also on the above setup I posted the one downside is less cap stable, 5 mins without the mwd on, however if you drop the mwd and the heavy cap booster 2 for two true sansha heavy boosters it is cap stable at 100% according to eft as long as you have cap charges.
granted not having the neut can be a pain in some situations but do you really get engaged by falcons within drone range much?
I must note that my experience is in 0.0 and not lowsec though so I guess you have a totally different set of rules to live by.
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Stork DK
Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Stork DK on 01/11/2008 10:47:02 Here's my standard station camping/can fighting Gank'a'Geddon fit.
Link Edit: No slaves and you can downgrade to a medium cap booster and throw the cpu implant away. ----- Signature unavailable. |
Snow Banshee
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:51:00 -
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hm ... i know you as a very experienced pvper, so forgive my noobness, but your setup sounds strange. One of the first rule i have learned in eve is that yi cant do averything and you seems to do both active and passive armour tank. Its notorious that this doesnt work well for the simply reason that if you wanna repair you must optimize your repeining ( read: your armour should have the best resistance possible), if you want passive tank then you shoudl not bother woth a rep.. save your povergrid anf the slot for bigger guns and another damage mod.
Again..im not an arma pilot and my experience is far below your, but still im wondering how its possible that this setup work better than a true active or passive setup.
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib I just dont see how you are concerned with cheaper if you can afford a full set of slaves.
You are a 0.0 pvp'er, you dont understand that losing your pod is quite rare in low sec. As a Pirate you have the chance to invest in your pod and i give you no false or over the top pretentences here.
Its an Investment worth it. Even if it means wiping you out isk wise, not to mention you dont even need to have slave for this ship to work well. The Rep is there to repair you dmg'ed armour, when solo, after having sustained dmg under sentries.
If you engage a pirate in low sec, be prepared in your mind if he/she is flying a battleship, chances are he/she is brimful of top notch implants that add crucial dps and hitpoints to there ship.
Originally by: Mo adib
I posted the one downside is less cap stable, 5 mins without the mwd on, however if you drop the mwd and the heavy cap booster 2 for two true sansha heavy boosters it is cap stable at 100% according to eft as long as you have cap charges.
Thats a different fit entirly, its isnt soloable. So i cannot compare my setup to yours.
Originally by: Mo adib
granted not having the neut can be a pain in some situations but do you really get engaged by falcons within drone range much?
Yes and Yes. For scorpions, for rooks, for anything that has a poor tank.
Originally by: Mo adib
I must note that my experience is in 0.0 and not lowsec though so I guess you have a totally different set of rules to live by.
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Yoko Lee
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:55:00 -
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I prefer the geddon over aba, i use aba for solo or for some situation, but geddon is my favorite ship, cheaper, really good dps, 8 low, heavy drone.
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.01 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Snow Banshee hm ... i know you as a very experienced pvper, so forgive my noobness, but your setup sounds strange. One of the first rule i have learned in eve is that yi cant do averything and you seems to do both active and passive armour tank. Its notorious that this doesnt work well for the simply reason that if you wanna repair you must optimize your repeining ( read: your armour should have the best resistance possible), if you want passive tank then you shoudl not bother woth a rep.. save your povergrid anf the slot for bigger guns and another damage mod.
Again..im not an arma pilot and my experience is far below your, but still im wondering how its possible that this setup work better than a true active or passive setup.
A good pilot knows that DPS and Hitpoints arent everything. A pilot in low sec needs to cover most of his bases if they choose to solo.
After or even during a fight, you need your hitpoints back so the Rep is vital and over time will give you more HP back than another plate. That isnt to say it always the better alternative, but in my experience an armour rep under sentry fire you need to rearm and repair rapidly.
MP II are more CPU intensive than DHP II, its not easy to fit that neut on with all MP even with that grid and the defining difference between a Geddon and Abaddon is that Neut. Its incredible useful for getting out of trouble.
You do not leave it on all the time, you use it on smaller ships to keep them paralyzed.
The active tank geddon is a strange one, ive tried it, but it just doesnt work. Its never cap stable and scarficing another of its 3 med slots for a 2nd injector isnt really wise. Its also not very good on grid, alittle more than a Tempest with guns that require mini sun's to power them Its also CPU short with LAR II costing 55 cpu each on a ship thats barly enough to run what i posted above.
With a buffer and LAR you can over time create more hitpoints over time than an all plate, not always depends on whats shooting you and how many, but if your solo you need it. The buffer is large enough to protect yourself long enough most of the time from my experience ofc.
Originally by: Stork DK Edited by: Stork DK on 01/11/2008 10:47:02 Here's my standard station camping/can fighting Gank'a'Geddon fit.
Link Edit: No slaves and you can downgrade to a medium cap booster and throw the cpu implant away.
Dropping to a medium injector is very inadvisable. Neut domi's are rampant, they can throw a very large spanner in the works for the geddon. The Heavy injector is justified.
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Fon Revedhort
Aeria Gloris Inc Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.11.01 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 01/11/2008 12:26:44
Originally by: kessah
Geddon is more effective than the Abaddon in certain area's.
More Versatile Cheaper... Alot cheaper. Larger Drone bay (can be an advantage if jammed)
You're kinda mising the point here: abaddon fits a ECCM and gets jammed a lot less.
For instance, have a look at my movie: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=889050&page=1#1
I was kicking myself for not bringing Abaddon to the first fight! :) ---
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.01 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Fon Revedhort Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 01/11/2008 12:26:44
Originally by: kessah
Geddon is more effective than the Abaddon in certain area's.
More Versatile Cheaper... Alot cheaper. Larger Drone bay (can be an advantage if jammed)
You're kinda mising the point here: abaddon fits a ECCM and gets jammed a lot less.
For instance, have a look at my movie: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=889050&page=1#1
I was kicking myself for not bringing Abaddon to the first fight! :)
Im not interested in ECCM, if your solo and theres a falcon, 1 ECCM isnt going to make a difference, not even 2 ECCM's will make a difference. You will be jammed.
That has nothing to do with the Geddon. In retrospect i believe your missing the point of it being a Armageddon Setup not a 'choose the abaddon instead' thread.
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Stork DK
Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.01 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Stork DK Edited by: Stork DK on 01/11/2008 10:47:02 Here's my standard station camping/can fighting Gank'a'Geddon fit.
Link Edit: No slaves and you can downgrade to a medium cap booster and throw the cpu implant away.
Dropping to a medium injector is very inadvisable. Neut domi's are rampant, they can throw a very large spanner in the works for the geddon. The Heavy injector is justified.
Yeah, but can usually manage to gank a plate domi before capping out unless their packing a full rack of neuts. ----- Signature unavailable. |
Fon Revedhort
Aeria Gloris Inc Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Im not interested in ECCM, if your solo and theres a falcon, 1 ECCM isnt going to make a difference, not even 2 ECCM's will make a difference. You will be jammed.
That has nothing to do with the Geddon. In retrospect i believe your missing the point of it being a Armageddon Setup not a 'choose the abaddon instead' thread.
It is making a difference. WTF? I gave a link proving that. Did you bothered reading what people say at all? :) Sure thing you'll get jammed - sometimes. But without eccm you'll be a sitting duck the whole day just till you die.
I'm not saying 'choose abaddon instead' since that's evident already. I'm just saying that having large dronebay helping to fight back when jammed is a moot point and that's it :) ---
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Bazman
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.01 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Bazman on 01/11/2008 16:46:14 For the slaveless pilots amongst us (I have them, but still)
Consider using a KMB-50 (Slot 6 +3% Ship CPU output) and a KZA-2000 (Slot 10 -5% Turret CPU)
This should let you fit a second EANM II instead of the corpii mod Kessah uses, boosting your resists a bit. It may also let you upgun a DHP or two to megapulses.
Anyway, Garde II's, I don't leave home without em, they really do the nanohac raep. Ogres on the other hand help you more if a HAC or cruiser comes up close to you.
edit: Now that i looked properly i didn't even notice that LAR in the original setup. Welp :P 3 x Heatsink crew reportin -----
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