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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.28 20:11:00 -
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Dasfry's guide to Military Tactics & Military Strategy
Military Strategy & Military Tactics http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Military_Tactics
Whats covered * 1 Overview * 2 Purpose * 3 Introduction * 4 What are the main tactical considerations? * 5 Principles of Military Strategy & Tactics * 6 Offensive Tactics o 6.1 Alpha Rush Tactics o 6.2 Ambush Tactics o 6.3 Blob Tactics o 6.4 Camp Busting Tactics o 6.5 Concentrating firepower Tactics o 6.6 Gate Camping Tactics (Offensive) o 6.7 Guerrilla warfare Tactics o 6.8 Hit and Run Tactics o 6.9 Ibis wave attack Tactics o 6.10 Log off Tactics, (Offensive) o 6.11 Offensive Spread Tactics o 6.12 Pressure Tactics o 6.13 Raiding Tactics o 6.14 Swarm Tactics o 6.15 Turtling Tactics o 6.16 Zerg Tactics * 7 Defensive Tactics o 7.1 Counter-Attack Tactics o 7.2 Defensive Spread Tactics o 7.3 Elastic Defense Tactic o 7.4 Evasive Tactics o 7.5 Gate Camping Tactics (Defensive) o 7.6 Log off Tactics (Defensive) o 7.7 Maintaining reconnaissance Tactics o 7.8 Mass Defense Tactics o 7.9 Stalling Tactics o 7.10 Stay Home Tactics o 7.11 Scorched earth Tactics * 8 Deception Tactics o 8.1 Camouflage Tactics o 8.2 Decoys Tactics o 8.3 Diversionary Tactics o 8.4 Electronic Warfare Tactics o 8.5 Feint Tactics o 8.6 Misdirection Tactics o 8.7 Mock Operation Tactics o 8.8 Stealth Tactics * 9 Situational Tactics o 9.1 Alliance Tactics o 9.2 Faction Warfare Tactics o 9.3 Fleet Tactics o 9.4 Gang Tactics o 9.5 Group Tactics o 9.6 Mission Running Tactics o 9.7 One on One Tactics * 10 High Sec Agro Tactics o 10.1 Jet Can Flipping Tactics * 11 Obsolete tactics o 11.1 POS Bowling Tactics o 11.2 Gate Camping, Smartbomb Tactics o 11.3 Lofty scam Tactics * 12 Political Tactics
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Von Kroll
Caldari Middle Management
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Posted - 2008.10.28 23:06:00 -
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A fair first effort. I would suggest reorganizing this and using some definitions to help categorize these better. For example, by U.S. military doctrine, the definition you use for "Hit and Run" tactics is the same as a Raid. A Raid being an attack with a planned withdrawl (to paraphrase). So, you wouldn't need both "Hit and Run" and "Raiding" tactics paragraphs. I'd suggest combining them both into one paragraph called "Raids".
Also, you should separate techniques from tactics, again by using the definitions for both. To say Offensive Tactics usually refers to topics such as frontal attacks, envelopements, ambush, etc. Perhaps even descriptors such as attrition warfare (more of an operational concept than a tactic) would be more appropriate. The "Ibis Wave" or "Zerg Tactics" would be different techniques used to conduct attrition warfare, for example. I noticed a couple of U.S. military publications in there. I would encourage you to use similar formating and organization as those publications do. Also, the foundation of any doctrinal publication is a common language, and there is actually a U.S. Joint publication that is nothing more than a common U.S. military dictionary that presents all manner of service specific and joint terms and defines each.
Regardless, this could be a great step for the community as a whole--it just needs more organization and polish, in my opinion.
Cheers...
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Mickey Simon
Hanzai Soshiki BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 23:42:00 -
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I agree with the above post.
I can see you've got a lot to go, but it's important to further segregate into techniques and tactics (and perhaps even higher level strategies). Another thing to mention is, that use "tactics" once in the heading, and don't use it for every little subheading. It's a little odd.
Otherwise, good work!
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Enden Assulu
Caldari JinTech Industries Utterly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.29 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Enden Assulu on 29/10/2008 23:03:44 Cool nice write up but IMO needs to involve suicide ganking which is sort of a military tactic in the same sense that can flipping is. I also thought lofty got nerfed... Other than that pretty nice [center] * * * M3h Skillz
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faxtarious
Kai-Zen inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 03:27:00 -
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Holly... Nice work man !!!
you,ll go down in EvE history for this I hope.
been looking for something similar fro two years now...
thanks a mill !!
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.10.30 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/10/2008 04:18:49 ^^ With Ref to above.. In my experience (Flown with BoB and Tri) The FC calls the Pilot name always, not the ship type. This is becuase you often have multiple ship types. Whereas the Pilot names are alway unique. and you want to make sure that everyone is shooting at the correct primary.
The FC prioritizes target selection by ship type but should never call by ship. Though if you are fighting a small gang and there is only one Falcon you want to target then thats the FC's choice I suppose but I've not seen it done that way. (Obviously Different FC's do things differently as with faxtarious experience).
Other than that very nice job on the Wiki. It could use a little streamlining though, there seems to be a bit of repetition for example the the difference between Zerg Blob, etc aren't great enough to warrant their own sections. Also political tactics should be in another section altogether.
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faxtarious
Kai-Zen inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Threv Echandari Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/10/2008 04:35:50 ^^ With Ref to above.. In my experience (Flown with BoB and Tri) The FC calls the Pilot name always, not the ship type. This is because you often have multiple ship types. Whereas the Pilot names are always unique. and you want to make sure that everyone is shooting at the correct primary. (As explained in the the Wiki)
The FC prioritizes target selection by ship type but should never call by ship. Though if you are fighting a small gang and there is only one Falcon you want to target then thats the FC's choice I suppose but I've not seen it done that way. (Obviously Different FC's do things differently as with faxtarious experience). Anyways Good job and great start I'll be bookmarking that site!
In small gangs ship type seem to work, because like you said, there aren't that many ships to choose from. but isn't it daunting to select a name in the big list of a 200 man enemy fleet ? the last fleet i was in , the FC was bad...and we lagged out. so I don't have any fleet experience.
there,s an option for FC's to tag their target of choice. tried using it a few times with no luck. It seems broken for some reasons. But it's would beat both shouting ship type or name in comm.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: faxtarious
Originally by: Threv Echandari Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/10/2008 04:35:50 ^^ With Ref to above.. In my experience (Flown with BoB and Tri) The FC calls the Pilot name always, not the ship type. This is because you often have multiple ship types. Whereas the Pilot names are always unique. and you want to make sure that everyone is shooting at the correct primary. (As explained in the the Wiki)
The FC prioritizes target selection by ship type but should never call by ship. Though if you are fighting a small gang and there is only one Falcon you want to target then thats the FC's choice I suppose but I've not seen it done that way. (Obviously Different FC's do things differently as with faxtarious experience). Anyways Good job and great start I'll be bookmarking that site!
In small gangs ship type seem to work, because like you said, there aren't that many ships to choose from. but isn't it daunting to select a name in the big list of a 200 man enemy fleet ? the last fleet i was in , the FC was bad...and we lagged out. so I don't have any fleet experience.
there,s an option for FC's to tag their target of choice. tried using it a few times with no luck. It seems broken for some reasons. But it's would beat both shouting ship type or name in comm.
In my opinion calling 'primary is xxx (name) in a xxx (ship type) is the best way to call targets. That is also the way i do it. Just calling the names works fine too, but any idiot who calls ship types and not name, I will leave the gang at once. -sig-
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.10.30 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: faxtarious
Originally by: Threv Echandari Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/10/2008 04:35:50 ^^ With Ref to above.. In my experience (Flown with BoB and Tri) The FC calls the Pilot name always, not the ship type. This is because you often have multiple ship types. Whereas the Pilot names are always unique. and you want to make sure that everyone is shooting at the correct primary. (As explained in the the Wiki)
The FC prioritizes target selection by ship type but should never call by ship. Though if you are fighting a small gang and there is only one Falcon you want to target then thats the FC's choice I suppose but I've not seen it done that way. (Obviously Different FC's do things differently as with faxtarious experience). Anyways Good job and great start I'll be bookmarking that site!
In small gangs ship type seem to work, because like you said, there aren't that many ships to choose from. but isn't it daunting to select a name in the big list of a 200 man enemy fleet ? the last fleet i was in , the FC was bad...and we lagged out. so I don't have any fleet experience.
there,s an option for FC's to tag their target of choice. tried using it a few times with no luck. It seems broken for some reasons. But it's would beat both shouting ship type or name in comm.
Common practice in HUGE fleets seems to be set the overview tabs for different ship types, arrange by name and then start at the top of the list, but I guess everyone does it different.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.10.30 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/10/2008 14:35:18
Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Common practice in HUGE fleets seems to be set the overview tabs for different ship types, arrange by name and then start at the top of the list, but I guess everyone does it different.
Very true, also for very large fleets there is often a separate FC who handles the Battleship fleet, Support/Anti Support and another for the Capitals. This way you only have to focus on the targets that your ships are responsible for and not the whole fleet. It would be nice if some of the more well known FC's would comment in here, though I can understand why they would want not to share any any "trade sekrets" with the hoi polloi.
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kroll A fair first effort. I would suggest reorganizing this and using some definitions to help categorize these better. For example, by U.S. military doctrine, the definition you use for "Hit and Run" tactics is the same as a Raid. A Raid being an attack with a planned withdrawl (to paraphrase). So, you wouldn't need both "Hit and Run" and "Raiding" tactics paragraphs. I'd suggest combining them both into one paragraph called "Raids".
Also, you should separate techniques from tactics, again by using the definitions for both. To say Offensive Tactics usually refers to topics such as frontal attacks, envelopements, ambush, etc. Perhaps even descriptors such as attrition warfare (more of an operational concept than a tactic) would be more appropriate. The "Ibis Wave" or "Zerg Tactics" would be different techniques used to conduct attrition warfare, for example. I noticed a couple of U.S. military publications in there. I would encourage you to use similar formating and organization as those publications do. Also, the foundation of any doctrinal publication is a common language, and there is actually a U.S. Joint publication that is nothing more than a common U.S. military dictionary that presents all manner of service specific and joint terms and defines each.
Regardless, this could be a great step for the community as a whole--it just needs more organization and polish, in my opinion.
Cheers...
Thank you for your reply.
I agree there is still a lot I can add to it, as well as organize and polish.
I encourage the comments *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dasfry on 31/10/2008 09:27:54
Originally by: Enden Assulu Edited by: Enden Assulu on 29/10/2008 23:03:44 Cool nice write up but IMO needs to involve suicide ganking which is sort of a military tactic in the same sense that can flipping is. I also thought lofty got nerfed... Other than that pretty nice
Thank you for your reply.
I've now added suicide ganking to the list.
Yes, the lofty scam tactic was fixed and is listed under obsolete tactics. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dasfry on 31/10/2008 09:31:52
Originally by: Mickey Simon I agree with the above post.
I can see you've got a lot to go, but it's important to further segregate into techniques and tactics (and perhaps even higher level strategies). Another thing to mention is, that use "tactics" once in the heading, and don't use it for every little subheading. It's a little odd.
Otherwise, good work!
The repeated use of "tactics" is intentional.
Also a page that I've put together on Military Strategy already exists.
Which covers the higher level strategies as you mentioned. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Threv Echandari Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/10/2008 04:35:50 ... Political tactics should be in another section altogether...
To answer this part specifically.
The part you mention in regards to 'political tactics' should have its own section altogether...
Well it does, I had already put together its own main article. Main article: Political Strategy
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: faxtarious Edited by: faxtarious on 30/10/2008 03:54:03
Holly... Nice work man !!!
you,ll go down in EvE history for this I hope.
been looking for something similar fro two years now...
thanks a mill !!
Thank you I really appriciate the positive comments. It makes all the effort worth it *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Beltantis Torrence
Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2008.11.03 16:20:00 -
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Needs to be concentrated as others mentioned. Its too sparse and lacking in content and there's a lot of redundancy. Likewise, it hints at a number of things but doesn't explain them (nano gangs, etc). Doesn't even mention remote repping or RSD's or ranged warfare, etc.
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.05 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Needs to be concentrated as others mentioned. Its too sparse and lacking in content and there's a lot of redundancy. Likewise, it hints at a number of things but doesn't explain them (nano gangs, etc). Doesn't even mention remote repping or RSD's or ranged warfare, etc.
Thank you for your response.
The redundancy is intentional...
You're right it is missing, Remote repairing, Remote Sensor Dampeners and ranged warfare. They have now been added to the 'things to add' list.
I do not claim to know everything, so there are areas I'm not familiar with.
I highly encourage you to help support and add to areas I might be completely missing or lacking content. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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