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Skaxx
Minmatar Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2008.10.28 22:41:00 -
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Faction warfare is on a spiral downward due to outside influence from neutral corporations and alliances with goals to remove faction warfare corporations. We have seen it affect both Caldari and Gallante Militia as corps are leaving due to war decs. We believe if it continues on this path faction warfare can and will go away which would be a shame for the new players.
A few points and solutions to the problems as we see:
1. No corporation within said militia should be able to wardec another corporation in the same militia. This seems simple but has happened. If you are in an alliance can you wardec another corp in the same alliance? This first point must have been overlooked.
2. Treat wardecs against militia corporations as if you are deccing an alliance. If you dec one corporation in any of the mitlitias you are deccing the whole militia with fees inline with deccing an alliance.
3. In any of the militia high sec if you are an opposing faction you deal with both that militia and the militia npcs. If a corporation decs a militia corporation and they choose to bring the fight into that militias high sec, the npcs should assist said militia against the agressors.
4. If any corporation in the militia decs any corporation outside of the militia since they are agressing remove the help and safety of militia npcs.
Faction warfare is a great training ground for new players and has the potential for great things in the future but only if it survives. Please voice your opinoins on the subjects posted.
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Psyflame
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Posted - 2008.10.28 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Psyflame on 28/10/2008 22:57:36 I have watched faction warfare go from 60v60 fights -> 40v40 fights -> 20v20 fights -> current state where I am lucky to see a mixed roaming gang of 5 cruisers and frigates. I know for a fact that many of the Gallente Faction Warfare corporations I enjoyed shooting have been targeted and griefed out of Faction Warfare, and I know several Caldari corps have as well.
To expand on point four: The militias, to my knowledge, were intended as a sort of "training ground" or "stepping stone" for younger and or less experienced players to learn PvP. As such, FW should be a more defensive posture. To prevent abuse, corporations within the "alliance" of faction warfare should receive no assistance from militia OR npc militia if they are the aggressors in a war against a player corp.
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Vernex
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Posted - 2008.10.28 22:58:00 -
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I'm in agreement with the general ideas presented here. In specific I think #2 is a great concept given that corporations participating in FW are in an alliance with each other for the greater good of the faction and should be considered a single entity for the purposes of wars. This should really cut down on the silly attempts to thwart FW in general.
-Vern
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gu o
Amarr Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2008.10.29 00:45:00 -
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I agree aswell. I do not speak for anyone other than myself.
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GypAtheNooB
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Posted - 2008.10.29 01:01:00 -
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If u remove the ability to wardec a corp in Militia how do u respond to blue on blue pirating? In a normal alliance that would result in a corp ejected from the alliance, is there a way to resolve that issue without wardec? Is CCP going to police this as a normal CEO of a large alliance would?? Cant see it :(
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Gossamer DT
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Posted - 2008.10.29 01:37:00 -
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I have seen the FW decline first hand as well. My corp has also been involved with a War Dec that was intended to force us out of FW. Prety simple tactics, the decing corp just waits for a FW fleet, then picks off it's targets with out a worry of bring on the full blow of the fleet. This loop hole in FW will be it's undoing.
My only twist on this would be that if you are a corp and you join FW, you should lose the ablity to War Dec, and as your now in a larger alliance, only the alliance should choose the corps to war dec. So if a corp/alliance wants to get involved with FW corps they have to war dec the FW alliance.
Sure this opens up new players to more potential danger when a corp war decs the FW alliance, but it's much better then sitting around a battle going on where you can't do anything but shield rep your fellow FW pilots.
As for blue on blue aggression, that should be kick from FW IMHO. Maybe a rank drop system there instead to the lowest rank then kick. A typical CEO would not stand for it, so that should be the norm. Maybe give the corp the option of kicking that player from it's ranks with in 24 hours, but if that players stays's then kick that corp from FW.
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GypAtheNooB
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Posted - 2008.10.29 01:43:00 -
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Thats gold !! CCP how about it??
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.10.29 02:13:00 -
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FW was always supposed to be a small gang PVP introduction. The "Decline" of FW is really it doing what it was supposed to do. It wasn't supposed to be 60 man blobs it started off as being.
making wardecs 'alliance' wide is dumb. Now instead of harassing a handful of corps in FW, a 0.0 alliance can harass the whole damn thing.
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Magna Monez
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Posted - 2008.10.29 02:27:00 -
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I think this needs a bit more finesse in the aggression engine.
This would work for both a corp outside of the militia and within the militia.
1. You can only war-dec a single corp in the militia not the whole milita. (just like now) 2. If you aggress a pilot in the militia corps that you decked you become flashy for 5 minutes to the whole militia 3. Once other militia fire at you you can shoot back at them with no sec-hit/concord but not before they do that.
This would solve the problem where decked corps players are not safe in mixed milita fleet.
If there is a griefer corps joining a milita and most of the militia aggrees that they are a bunch of ****s they can still be decked within the milita and attacked since the rest of the militia would not come and help them.
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icy 1
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Posted - 2008.10.29 02:50:00 -
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I agree 100% we need to do somethign quick before the milita is completly dead.
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Gossamer DT
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Posted - 2008.10.29 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Gossamer DT on 29/10/2008 05:25:21
Originally by: Blastil FW was always supposed to be a small gang PVP introduction. The "Decline" of FW is really it doing what it was supposed to do. It wasn't supposed to be 60 man blobs it started off as being.
making wardecs 'alliance' wide is dumb. Now instead of harassing a handful of corps in FW, a 0.0 alliance can harass the whole damn thing.
Your really going to try and say that Faction Wars was ment to be small time? Really? You can't get any more cooler then hundreds of random players forming up to fight for their cause..
And come on really? 0.0 alliance don't war dec, they don't give a dam about conncord, and when they do get upset, they put up a POS in low sec and gate camp a system <COUGH>TAMA</COUGH> killing everything that happens to wander through....
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NaMorham Santorin
Tech 1 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2008.10.29 07:15:00 -
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Definite support, especially point 3. Ideally would need a separate fix for blue on blue pirating
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Cpl Punnishment
Caldari Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2008.10.29 07:37:00 -
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I agree. FW can be a blast. It's a great way for players to test the waters of PVP in a casual setting. I think that we should make an effort to find ways to keep people interested in FW.
I think, at the very least, if you are in a mixed fleet, and someone attacks a member of your fleet that they have war dec on, then the fleet should be able to fight the aggressor. This is not to say that the Whole Militia should be your blanket security. But it doesn't make a lot of sense to be in a mixed fleet and have a group of pilots able to pick off a couple of targets in the middle of your fleet and not be able to do much about it.
I want to see something that is not slanted in favor of either side, but fun for everyone....
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Erim Kaluk
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2008.10.29 08:17:00 -
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A little bit of tweaking as some of the other posts above and this'll be a great idea.
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Slarty FartBlast
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Skaxx Faction warfare is on a spiral downward due to outside influence from neutral corporations and alliances with goals to remove faction warfare corporations. We have seen it affect both Caldari and Gallante Militia as corps are leaving due to war decs. We believe if it continues on this path faction warfare can and will go away which would be a shame for the new players.
A few points and solutions to the problems as we see:
1. No corporation within said militia should be able to wardec another corporation in the same militia. This seems simple but has happened. If you are in an alliance can you wardec another corp in the same alliance? This first point must have been overlooked.
2. Treat wardecs against militia corporations as if you are deccing an alliance. If you dec one corporation in any of the mitlitias you are deccing the whole militia with fees inline with deccing an alliance.
3. In any of the militia high sec if you are an opposing faction you deal with both that militia and the militia npcs. If a corporation decs a militia corporation and they choose to bring the fight into that militias high sec, the npcs should assist said militia against the agressors.
4. If any corporation in the militia decs any corporation outside of the militia since they are agressing remove the help and safety of militia npcs.
Faction warfare is a great training ground for new players and has the potential for great things in the future but only if it survives. Please voice your opinoins on the subjects posted.
what a great idea
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:32:00 -
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It's fine as it is.
Not supported.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Dough Boy198
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:05:00 -
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Something needs to be done, otherwise I fear FW may come to an end sooner rather than later. FW was my first taste of PVP, as it has been for many other pilots and it is a great idea to get us "carebears" started in the fighting.
Please dont let this fall apart CCP
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:15:00 -
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Quote: 2. Treat wardecs against militia corporations as if you are deccing an alliance. If you dec one corporation in any of the mitlitias you are deccing the whole militia with fees inline with deccing an alliance.
Some clarification on this point?
Are you proposing that it will function exactly how wardeccing an alliance works now (ie if multiple people wardec said alliance the price escalates) or will it always be the default 50m a week price no matter how many entities wardec corporations inside the militia.
Its an important question because if there is escalation it will quickly reach untenable levels of expense making the militia an effective war-avoidance mechanism and thats not in the interests of the game.
Also can you confirm that you mean IF an external entity wardecs ANY corporation inside a miltia they will be in a full status of war with ALL militia corps + the militia NPC entity for the wardec fee paid?
Thanks.
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Calinda FireStrom
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:26:00 -
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I agree the war-deck on militia makes for bad game play. This needs to be fixed!
But it easy to see why some FW corps have made the war-deck choice, fly through Old Man or Tama, and you get to dodge the 20+ -10 from different corps that have moved in to feast on the younger players trying to have a chance of any fun in F/W PVP. Thus it was an easy bet that FW corps would bypass the Low sec issues and take the fight right to the systems FW stages fleets in. Once this started, it snow balled into all out war-decks even within ones own militia. It's all about targets! I too have seen a large drop in FW battles and players due to this. CCP needs to take a responsible approach at keeping the game fun for ALL players. Is this what you had in mine CCP? Should something you added to the game to help fun for mid level players be ruined? This can be fixed and fast, please do. One way: ôFaction war needs its own spaceö, with bubbles and bounties (a must) for killing apposing side player ships. Not many players care about the plexÆs, the risk to reward sucks! Do this and FW will be a big part of the FUN for mid level players again!
The -10 players and ôwant to be piratesÆö can go find real targets that have real skill in low sec!
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gossamer DT
And come on really? 0.0 alliance don't war dec, they don't give a dam about conncord, and when they do get upset, they put up a POS in low sec and gate camp a system <COUGH>TAMA</COUGH> killing everything that happens to wander through....
Confirming this is a heap of fun.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Skaxx
2. Treat wardecs against militia corporations as if you are deccing an alliance. If you dec one corporation in any of the mitlitias you are deccing the whole militia with fees inline with deccing an alliance.
That would be the only acceptable change, but i dont think you realise what you are asking for. Militias would be a very popular wardec target.
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oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:59:00 -
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rabble rabble....rabble rabble rabble
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Crimson Calis
Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:30:00 -
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I agree that something has to be done, for me FW was the way into PvP, wasn't interested in it before. But FW and wardecks together isn't so much fun.
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Laki Onori
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:20:00 -
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Quote: Originally by: Skaxx 2. Treat wardecs against militia corporations as if you are deccing an alliance. If you dec one corporation in any of the mitlitias you are deccing the whole militia with fees inline with deccing an alliance.
So you deck a corp from each on the alliances, and you are in war with all the FW alliances? Works great for me :)
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oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Laki Onori
Quote: Originally by: Skaxx 2. Treat wardecs against militia corporations as if you are deccing an alliance. If you dec one corporation in any of the mitlitias you are deccing the whole militia with fees inline with deccing an alliance.
So you deck a corp from each on the alliances, and you are in war with all the FW alliances? Works great for me :)
wooot that would work out well..it will be like the new privateers
well tought out ideas steel...
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pornopelle
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:23:00 -
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not a bad idea skaxx. if u war a mitia corp it would be good to have the whole militia/alliance good bonus since we ward u guys. the sad part is that it will protect (bad word) like u guys and so on...
3. In any of the militia high sec if you are an opposing faction you deal with both that militia and the militia npcs. If a corporation decs a militia corporation and they choose to bring the fight into that militias high sec, the npcs should assist said militia against the agressors.
is a bad idea why should u have an atv vs wts?
but this is from us. If u should leave militia we ill still war steel. How come u never undock from station to fight. Its same as in the militia just that u dont have 4000 ppl helping u. Its just funny to see how mutch **** u could put out in the militia channel when the war wassnt active and now nobody see guys annymore.
well ofc not counting when ur stabbd up for travel
STOP WHINING UNDOCK AND FIGHT!!!!!!
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Skaxx
Minmatar Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:52:00 -
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This post has nothing to do with the Mentl dec, the apb dec or anarchy now decs we have. This post was due to the corps who are griefed out of militia. We are a mostly us pst time based corp. We are not going anywhere. We believe in the militia and will continue to move forward.
There are plaguing problems in faction warfare and we do not want it to go away. Of course their have already had flaws pointed out in a few of my points which is good. The more points of view a discussion can have the better.
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oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Skaxx This post has nothing to do with the Mentl dec, the apb dec or anarchy now decs we have. This post was due to the corps who are griefed out of militia. We are a mostly us pst time based corp. We are not going anywhere. We believe in the militia and will continue to move forward.
There are plaguing problems in faction warfare and we do not want it to go away. Of course their have already had flaws pointed out in a few of my points which is good. The more points of view a discussion can have the better.
ofc it has to do with us!! were the only corp in militia that has decced you and isnt that what this whine post is about? getting decced by own militia?
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Skaxx
Minmatar Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2008.10.29 23:50:00 -
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Do I think it is ******ed that a corporation in one militia can dec another corp in the same militia? Yes.
We started this post for the shear lack of war targets we see anymore. When we starting checking these corps weeks ago as they were leaving one after another was decced by multiple corporations. We do not want our opposition to go away.
If it wasn't for all the good pirate corps around there would be nothing to shoot at at all in our timezone. We formed our corporation knowing we would get war decced alot. Oodin you are a greifer of the worst sort. At least pirates have the balls to show their colors. You choose to shoot your own militia and have done so for the last few weeks taking advantage of game mechanics and the fact that most militia pilots are new players. I can respect PL coming into tama and camping the system, or bydi, or veto as they show their colors. You join fleets with the sole purpose of shooting your own. You hide behind your own militia to grief the newer players.
I do not know if any of our ideas are worthy, but something has to be done or we will have no war targets to shoot at in black rise. I think this would be a shame. Faction warfare allowed me and many others to find fun in pvp.
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oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.30 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Skaxx Do I think it is ******ed that a corporation in one militia can dec another corp in the same militia? Yes.
We started this post for the shear lack of war targets we see anymore. When we starting checking these corps weeks ago as they were leaving one after another was decced by multiple corporations. We do not want our opposition to go away.
If it wasn't for all the good pirate corps around there would be nothing to shoot at at all in our timezone. We formed our corporation knowing we would get war decced alot. Oodin you are a greifer of the worst sort. At least pirates have the balls to show their colors. You choose to shoot your own militia and have done so for the last few weeks taking advantage of game mechanics and the fact that most militia pilots are new players. I can respect PL coming into tama and camping the system, or bydi, or veto as they show their colors. You join fleets with the sole purpose of shooting your own. You hide behind your own militia to grief the newer players.
I do not know if any of our ideas are worthy, but something has to be done or we will have no war targets to shoot at in black rise. I think this would be a shame. Faction warfare allowed me and many others to find fun in pvp.
and you are a liar!! i havent abused any game mechanics and you should be man enough to admit that what happend was this..i claimed killrights given to me by concord after 8 guys shot me...correct??? the truth is that your just ****ed at me for killing 7 of them in high sec and there wasnt anything you could do about it...and if you feel im a griefer for claiming killrights then please petition me to ccp!! and maybe it is time to look into why we have declared war on your corp..could it be all the lies and crap your corp members was spitting out in militia about mentally unstable?? and if pvp is all you ever wanted then undock..and finally,i have only been in a militia gang 2 times in my life and that was my first days in mentl and both time the militia members ran when i fought the gallentes so get your fact straight!! so bottom line: you shot me giving me killrights.i claim killrights and you guys whiiine and whiiiine calling me griefer..
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Gossamer DT
Caldari Secret Squirrel Readiness Group
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Posted - 2008.10.30 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gossamer DT on 30/10/2008 02:02:52
Originally by: oodin
and you are a liar!! i havent abused any game mechanics and you should be man enough to admit that what happend was this..i claimed killrights given to me by concord after 8 guys shot me...correct???
Wow can I just say Hi Pot....If anyone is a liar it's you oodin, not to get off topic, but man I was in few FW fleets with you where you started firing at Fleet members... And if FW was a real Alliance your ass would have been kicked out just for that..
The problem here is FW doesn't have a human figure head, so there are no judements, and I feel this has been over looked. FW needs to have some control for your type of crap chicken **** actions.
and now I wish in the game ingor worked in the forum too Gossamer |
oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.30 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gossamer DT Edited by: Gossamer DT on 30/10/2008 02:02:52
Originally by: oodin
and you are a liar!! i havent abused any game mechanics and you should be man enough to admit that what happend was this..i claimed killrights given to me by concord after 8 guys shot me...correct???
Wow can I just say Hi Pot....If anyone is a liar it's you oodin, not to get off topic, but man I was in few FW fleets with you where you started firing at Fleet members... And if FW was a real Alliance your ass would have been kicked out just for that..
The problem here is FW doesn't have a human figure head, so there are no judements, and I feel this has been over looked. FW needs to have some control for your type of crap chicken **** actions.
and now I wish in the game ingor worked in the forum too
i never said i didnt shoot militia members. all i said was i claimed killrights given to me and if you have any clue whatsoever about the game you would know that to get killrights a crime must have be commited against me first..you understand that i hope...karma sucks
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Gossamer DT
Caldari Secret Squirrel Readiness Group
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Posted - 2008.10.30 14:23:00 -
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That's exatly my point there oodin, you picked the wrong time to collect on kill rigths. In a Human Alliance this type of action would have lead to you being kicked and possible your entire corp being kicked. Tell me this if you had been in a Human lead Alliance, and you were out on an op with the alliance would have taken your kill rights then?
Your no better then a corp that war dec and waits for a FW fleet to come by. You hide your intent behind the FW and in every fleet that I was in with you, the fleet disbanded as the entire op was ruined by your actions. How is that any pvp fun for the group? Gossamer |
oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gossamer DT That's exatly my point there oodin, you picked the wrong time to collect on kill rigths. In a Human Alliance this type of action would have lead to you being kicked and possible your entire corp being kicked. Tell me this if you had been in a Human lead Alliance, and you were out on an op with the alliance would have taken your kill rights then?
Your no better then a corp that war dec and waits for a FW fleet to come by. You hide your intent behind the FW and in every fleet that I was in with you, the fleet disbanded as the entire op was ruined by your actions. How is that any pvp fun for the group?
i made a entire fleet disband i must be better then i tought besides the killrights was given to me WHEN i was in militia so they stepped over the line first
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.30 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Calinda FireStrom fly through Old Man or Tama, and you get to dodge the 20+ -10 players from different corps that have moved in to feast on the younger players trying to have a chance of any fun in F/W PVP.... The -10 players and ôwant to be piratesÆö can go find real targets that have real skill in low sec!
LOL
You obviously dont remember the start of FW where 10 forum posts a day were started by FW noob proclaiming WE ARE SMASHING THE PIRATES HAHAHA WE ARE UBER.
Pirates left the area in droves due to the FW lag blobs flying around.
Now the whines back to "PIRATES ARE BULLYING NOOBS"
NOT SUPPORTING this thread of any other that seeks preferential treatment to one corp over another
SKUNK
Originally by: CCP Navigator
People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.30 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Skaxx 1. No corporation within said militia should be able to wardec another corporation in the same militia. This seems simple but has happened. If you are in an alliance can you wardec another corp in the same alliance? This first point must have been overlooked.
In principle, I don't believe that being in the same militia should immunise your corporation against suffering the consequences of its behaviour towards other militia members.
I could see where you're coming from on this one, but I don't think this is the right way to solve the problem. Rather, I would suggest you consider this: shouldn't these corporations be so enamoured by FW activities that dec'ing each other becomes unthinkable by their own volition, rather than an imposition by game mechanics?
Originally by: Skaxx 2. Treat wardecs against militia corporations as if you are deccing an alliance. If you dec one corporation in any of the mitlitias you are deccing the whole militia with fees inline with deccing an alliance.
Skaxx, I would bring to your attention that many of those same corporations would love the extra targets that this proposition would incur. This would be a one-way ticket to more wardecs against FW corps, imo.
If I have understood you correctly, treating the wardec as if it is against an alliance means that random fw pilots will suffer the consequences of other people's misdeeds, who may decide to use the militia as their 'haven'.
Originally by: Skaxx 3. In any of the militia high sec if you are an opposing faction you deal with both that militia and the militia npcs. If a corporation decs a militia corporation and they choose to bring the fight into that militias high sec, the npcs should assist said militia against the agressors.
The enemy of my friend is my enemy logic is best avoided. Imagine how this would interact with the proposal #1, where if there was a corp in a militia hiding in militia high sec...If the militias are not to be so selective about who they let join, the perks would not be matching.
Originally by: Skaxx 4. If any corporation in the militia decs any corporation outside of the militia since they are agressing remove the help and safety of militia npcs.
I think this one followed on from #3
Skaxx, FW has plenty of room for improvement but I think the approach needs more consideration. I've mentioned alternate approaches in my campaign thread that I'd be happy to discuss. Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints! |
Gossamer DT
Caldari Secret Squirrel Readiness Group
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Posted - 2008.10.30 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
NOT SUPPORTING this thread of any other that seeks preferential treatment to one corp over another
SKUNK
Maybe you should re-read the entire thread, as clearly that is not the idea here. The only preferential treatment being given is for Corps that War dec corps in FW, and then wait for the easy picking of the one in the many fleet and kill it. Gossamer |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.30 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 30/10/2008 16:58:33
Originally by: Gossamer DT
Originally by: Le Skunk
NOT SUPPORTING this thread of any other that seeks preferential treatment to one corp over another
SKUNK
Maybe you should re-read the entire thread, as clearly that is not the idea here. The only preferential treatment being given is for Corps that War dec corps in FW, and then wait for the easy picking of the one in the many fleet and kill it.
3. In any of the militia high sec if you are an opposing faction you deal with both that militia and the militia npcs. If a corporation decs a militia corporation and they choose to bring the fight into that militias high sec, the npcs should assist said militia against the agressors.
3) The OP wants both effective barring of 50% of empire and NPC harrasement for the non militia corp. This would not happen with non miltia deccing a non militia.
Basically I would wardec you in empire, and be unable to attack you in empire and do the suppsoed stated aims of a wardec ( disrupt your logistics etc in high sec) as I would be unable to get in there easily without NPCs kicking my ass.
SKUNK
EDIT: Ive said it many many many times before. The only people who facilitate the "picking off" of members or a militia wardecced corps in a wider militia fleet, are the cowards who sit and watch their gang mates die without firing out of fear of a sec drop.
I wouldnt have any one in any of my gangs if they were not prepared to fire if gangmates come under attack, regardless of sec drops and sentrys.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
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Gossamer DT
Caldari Secret Squirrel Readiness Group
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Posted - 2008.10.30 17:10:00 -
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I have taken the sec drop, but most of these events are happening in hi sec now, so the best one can do is hope that they enguage you.... Gossamer |
oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.30 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gossamer DT I have taken the sec drop, but most of these events are happening in hi sec now, so the best one can do is hope that they enguage you....
now i finally see the extent of your game mechanics understanding...you are clueless so please go back to tutorial ok...
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.30 20:01:00 -
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I'm not sure that changing the wardec system to prevent two corps in the same militia from being at war is a good solution; I could see it leading to situations where, for example, Corp A (in militia) 'legitimately' wardecs Corp B (not in the militia) ... and Corp B responds by joining the militia to invalidate the wardec.
Actually, I think that the much-anticipated (at least by some) change to allow alliances in FW may (depending on implementation details) provide a solution to this problem. In addition to allowing existing RP alliances to (re-) join the war, it will also provide the ability for corps already in the militias to form alliances, too. So now like-minded corps who are trying to fight for their faction can merge into an alliance for mutual support from wardecs, increased organization, shared standings, etc. Or, if less organization is preferable, you could use the alliance for mutual defense only, and ignore the standings and other tools available.
-- Becq Starforged Ushra'Khan
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jpacci
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Posted - 2008.11.01 04:57:00 -
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personally in some ways i dont care... i like killing anyway i can get it. but for the sake of faction i do agree that something has to be done to better the mechanics of it. i think it is a great learning experience for players for pvp and have seen it dwindle to nothing in the last few months. i hate to see the game go to just missioning, mining and pirate kills... i think that will bore new players and eventually give me less to kill.
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