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Restructure
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:40:00 -
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Hi guys
it was suggested to me in another thread that i start PVP using the kestrel as its cheap to loose and fun to fly. im 3million SP and just over two months old.
Heres my current fit (any tips?):
[Kestrel, Kestrel PVP] Damage Control I Ballistic Control System I
1MN Afterburner II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Faint Warp Prohibitor I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
It dawned on me that i have to obviousally change my fighting style as all i ever did in missions was kite them while picking them off.
From what i can tell, what i want to be doing in my kestrel is spiralling to my target using afterburning/MWD, keeping my trasversal high so im not hit, and once in web range, web them and hit orbit, and orbit within 10km to keep the web on them. Ofcourse i could be webbed at this point too, so i guess it comes down to who has got the quickest ship, and i know this is not the quickest frig!
Im going to be looking for single T1 frigs, and the occasional cruiser if the pilot looks newish lol
Any tips/suggestions?
Thank you!
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Mr Tegu
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:07:00 -
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you have the right idea but will strugle to solo pvp with this setup, try getting a small gang together with some like minded players (i spammed my corp). At first pick on obviously weaker players until you know what your doing. One of my favorite things to do at the moment is to get a small gang of cheap ships, go into low sec and attack pretty much anything till we're all in our pods. At 2 months old, the cost is pretty much negligable and it's so much fun. www.agonyunleased.com has alot of very useful info on frigate pvp, such as tactics, setups and overview settings. As for your setup, I'd be tempted by assault missiles instead of rockets, use eve fitting tool to find out which causes more dps,
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.10.29 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ecatherina W on 29/10/2008 11:55:18 One of our noobs recently did an after action report on how he soloed a rifter in his kestrel. Admittedly, the rifter was fitted sub standard, but still worth a read for you, I think, as our young Lord Zekk is still learning. The important part of the after action report is the reflection on how he could improve himself, the mistakes he made and what he did right.
RIP Rifter
:) Kath
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
DGAF Newbie Guide
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Restructure
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:25:00 -
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Mr Tegu,
Interesting website, seems i had already read a few of those articles I cannot fit 4 assault launchers though, only 2 with my skills Thanks!
Kath, i tried reading the article and yes i had to register, which i did, but i still get this: The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
Shame because im considering cross training to the rifter as ive heard/read so much about it and be nice to know how to down one.
Thanks for the replies, keep them coming please!
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Restructure
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:04:00 -
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Heres a question for you guys
one of the above guides suggests a nanofiber and BCU in the lows, while i had a DC along with my BCU Whats better in your opinion?
Also, i see in many rifter guides to add a armour plate, so in a kestrel is there a fit for a small shield extender? i feel like one or two mistakes and im toast.. but i would have to drop a webber which doesnt seem like a good idea..
Thanks
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:38:00 -
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This is one of those cases where EFT lies, or is misleading at the very least, Yes a Rocket Kessie does more DPS than a Standard launcher Kessie on paper, but I've seen in the field that more often than not you never get to use it since your opponents are faster and can control the range, (a well setup Rifter fighting in falloff for example) your shots will never hit, unless your opponent is very inexperienced or has no choice but to engage at close range like you. Missile Kessies may do less "paper" DPS but they are more likely to actually hit your target which is the only DPS that matters. If you want to increase your ROF, Overheat your launchers. ---------------------------------------- Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.10.29 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ecatherina W on 29/10/2008 14:25:22 Edited by: Ecatherina W on 29/10/2008 14:24:57
Originally by: Restructure Mr Tegu,
Kath, i tried reading the article and yes i had to register, which i did, but i still get this: The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
Shame because im considering cross training to the rifter as ive heard/read so much about it and be nice to know how to down one.
Try sending me an in-game mail from the character with which name you have signed up, I cannot see the name Restructure in our member database, which makes it harder for me to find out what the problem may be. Also, feel free to drop by our ingame channel BBQPublic and talk to people there - you'll find both rifter pros and others.
Thanks Kath
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
DGAF Newbie Guide
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Nexus Kinnon
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 29/10/2008 15:04:27 the recruiting forum is down there fyi .| .| .| \./
edit; OP try fitting at least a 200mm plate on there, that should give you some HP buffer
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 29/10/2008 15:04:27 the recruiting forum is down there fyi .| .| .| \./
So whenever people offer advice, they are in your opinion trying to recruit new members? What a closed and sad mind you have.
Kath ***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
DGAF Newbie Guide
Kaths blog about all things Eve |
Restructure
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:15:00 -
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Threv, i dont have the CPU yet to fit 4 standards yet, but will soon!
Kath, I managed to find the article you mentioned! just had problems with the direct link anyway, nice read thank you for the link!
The successfull kessie in that article was using a 100mm plate in a low, now im wondering whether to use a DC and 100mm, instead of the BCU!! less gank and agility though.. thoughts?
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Kesper North
Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:17:00 -
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Every time I've fought a Kestrel, I have beaten it every time despite the fact that it has a superior tank and DPS.
ECM-fitted Griffin for the win. :)
Chief Diplomat, Combined Planetary Union
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Restructure Threv, i dont have the CPU yet to fit 4 standards yet, but will soon!
Kath, I managed to find the article you mentioned! just had problems with the direct link anyway, nice read thank you for the link!
The successfull kessie in that article was using a 100mm plate in a low, now im wondering whether to use a DC and 100mm, instead of the BCU!! less gank and agility though.. thoughts?
Mind you, the rifter in question was wearing a less than appropriate 50mm plate....
:D Kath
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
DGAF Newbie Guide
Kaths blog about all things Eve |
Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 29/10/2008 17:16:08
Originally by: Kesper North Every time I've fought a Kestrel, I have beaten it every time despite the fact that it has a superior tank and DPS.
ECM-fitted Griffin for the win. :)
And he speaks the Truth! Little known fact, in 1v1 with T1 Frigates, the Griffin pwns, and is one of my Favorites but to use it to its potential Good skills in the basics. Missile, Gunnery, Frig 5, ECM and Drones are a must.
Fake Edit: Rifters are good but overrated....http://www.kdirectorate.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=132 OK, OK its not a Rifter it' s a Rifter on Steroids...
Oh and Sorry about the fitting advice I forgot you're a little low on the SP side.. I suppose the BCU and DCU are good but the fit the Stanard launchers you are going to need MAPC and prolly a CPU ---------------------------------------- Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Furian Giaume
Warhead Delivery Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:33:00 -
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The Kestrel is a long-range missile spammer, and should be used to that strength--other T1 frigates cannot apply their full DPS at 30km+. Try fitting standard launchers and an AB first (to keep range), and then whatever tank, etc you can get on after that. Forget about fitting tackle gear.
That leads you to the obvious problem for PvP that you cannot hold an opponent down. If you want to finish kills, work with a partner who flies a tackle frig with a good tank. He tackles the primary and you stay at range adding DPS.
If you're in a minor FW plex your tackle buddy can sit at the warp-in while you spin/kill NPCs, and if a WT comes in it gets tackled and you help kill it.
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lord orei
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:40:00 -
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I used a kestrel for my corporation frig tournament last year. Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I's are great. Nice ROF, easy on skill and CPU requirememts and a lot cheaper than arbalest launchers. Range is what helps the Kestrel win against other frigs. Have fun and good luck.
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.30 09:42:00 -
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Don't waste you money on 'Arb' rocket launchers ... use 'malkuth' ... because at your level .. you're going to die ALOT.
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Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.10.30 19:20:00 -
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NOOB freindly Pvp Kestrel.
Micro Auxiliary Power Core 200mm Rolled Tungsten Plates
1MN Microwarp Drive J5 Warp Scrambler Web
4x Rocket Launcher
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Micro Auxiliary Power Core Power Diagnostic System
1MN Afterburner Warp DISRUPTOR Medium Shield Extender
4x Rocket Launcher
Use the first one to zip into target and web and scram them - the plate will keep you alive longer than 20 extra dps from a ballistic control unit.
The second setup - you're slower - but you can start scramming the target much earlier. When your skills with capacitor get better you can scram and keep the afterburner running constantly. Just keep moving and hope yoru sig radius is small enough.
Tech 2 rockets are a great way to extend your combat range.
Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.10.31 01:29:00 -
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The two setups from the guy above me are decent enough, they wont work for solo work tho - but im afraid that at your stage nothing will really. Thats not the ships or any setups fault but you will find that it next to impossible to encounter lone targets you are able to kill.
I usggest to safe yourself that frustration and either join a corp thats doin fw or join an fw faction. With the setups above you should get some nice kills, and when you get tired of the kessie - the merlin but also the griffin are nice ships and good additions to any fleet. -
Boosters and PirateProfessions
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Restructure
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:32:00 -
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Thanks for the comments!
I like the 2 fittings above, didnt think to use a MAPC and a plate with rockets (only looked into using a MAPC when using missiles)
On the first fitting (the one with the microwarp) i have 2.5kHP, sig is highish 282m2, dps is 72 with volley of 188 but my cap runs out in 1m 22s (traveling at 1633m/s), so i presume ill have to use that in bursts, but when its off my speed is a measly 312/ms, i see the microwarp is very hungry for cap, even with high speed mans IV.
Im cap stable on the second fitting (the one with shields) at 49%, nice amount of HP at 2826HP too and the same dps as above. Speed is 657/ms and signature is just 54m2, so im tempted to run with this one and train tech 2 rockets for added range (which is currently a tight 7km)
I made a missile fitting too, and the range is nice at 31km, with no web and a afterburner and a disruptor. Struggling to get a decent amount of HP to go with it though
And yes, i have finally given and and realised i need a corp to run with
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Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.11.03 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Restructure Thanks for the comments!
I like the 2 fittings above, didnt think to use a MAPC and a plate with rockets (only looked into using a MAPC when using missiles)
On the first fitting (the one with the microwarp) i have 2.5kHP, sig is highish 282m2, dps is 72 with volley of 188 but my cap runs out in 1m 22s (traveling at 1633m/s), so i presume ill have to use that in bursts, but when its off my speed is a measly 312/ms, i see the microwarp is very hungry for cap, even with high speed mans IV.
Im cap stable on the second fitting (the one with shields) at 49%, nice amount of HP at 2826HP too and the same dps as above. Speed is 657/ms and signature is just 54m2, so im tempted to run with this one and train tech 2 rockets for added range (which is currently a tight 7km)
I made a missile fitting too, and the range is nice at 31km, with no web and a afterburner and a disruptor. Struggling to get a decent amount of HP to go with it though
And yes, i have finally given and and realised i need a corp to run with
Hit me up in game - I recruit players like you with an attitude to learn. Also - always burst a MWD in a tech 1 frigate - its only meant to be perma run by interceptors and other speed tank dedicated ships.
Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.11.04 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Threv Echandari And he speaks the Truth! Little known fact, in 1v1 with T1 Frigates, the Griffin pwns, and is one of my Favorites but to use it to its potential Good skills in the basics. Missile, Gunnery, Frig 5, ECM and Drones are a must.
This is very true. Ages ago, I fought some 1v1s vs an Incursus, all starting at close range. My first Kestrel died, with a MSE gank fit. As did my second, with a MSE and a tracking disruptor.
So I brought out a Griffin, permajammed the Incursus and slowly ground through his plate.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari Ninmu Seijaku Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.11.04 16:08:00 -
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I'm the newbie Kessie pilot Ecatherina was talking about. Message/evemail me ingame and we can discuss strategies and fits. I'm only 2 months old at this but PVP has become an obsession of mine of late and we should be in the same boat SP wise.
I liked the Griffin idea. Gonna check it out in EFT and take it from there. |
d'hofren
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2008.11.06 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous NOOB freindly Pvp Kestrel.
Micro Auxiliary Power Core 200mm Rolled Tungsten Plates
1MN Microwarp Drive J5 Warp Scrambler Web
4x Rocket Launcher
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Nice little setup.
As rexor said you main issue is going to be finding a gang to work in and FW is the perfect place to do this..
Also at lower levels of skills you will have an issue with pirating in that sec losses are hard made good without having access to 0.0 ratting / lvl 4 missions
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.11.07 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ecatherina W on 07/11/2008 10:44:20
Originally by: Kesper North Every time I've fought a Kestrel, I have beaten it every time despite the fact that it has a superior tank and DPS.
ECM-fitted Griffin for the win. :)
Mind sharing a link to an actual kill of a kestrel by a griffin and perhaps a suggested setup that will be able to accomplish this amazing feat in a normal, non-staged, PVP fight?
ECM griffins are for the win - in any gang and to get out of trouble. But killer machines they are not. This being said, despite myself having 51 killmails in griffins. Not one of them solo of course...
Kath
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
DGAF Newbie Guide
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.11.07 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Restructure Edited by: Restructure on 29/10/2008 10:49:18 Hi guys
it was suggested to me in another thread that i start PVP using the kestrel as its cheap to loose and fun to fly. im 3million SP Caldari, and just over two months old.
Heres my current fit (any tips?):
[Kestrel, Kestrel PVP] Damage Control I Ballistic Control System I
1MN Afterburner II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Faint Warp Prohibitor I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] (im training weapon upgrade lvl 4 so soon wont need as many named modules which saved me CPU)
It dawned on me that i have to obviousally change my fighting style as all i ever did in missions was kite them while picking them off.
From what i can tell, what i want to be doing in my kestrel is spiralling to my target using afterburning/MWD, keeping my trasversal high so im not hit, and once in web range, web them and hit orbit, and orbit within 10km to keep the web on them. Ofcourse i could be webbed at this point too, so i guess it comes down to who has got the quickest ship, and i know this is not the quickest frig!
Im going to be looking for single T1 frigs, and the occasional cruiser if the pilot looks newish lol
Any tips/suggestions?
Thank you!
Edit: added my race
ok, well, alot of people think that MWD's are a MUST HAVE for frigates, i tend to disagree, with this setup, ive almost killed two inties solo, but alas, they got away
Highs: 2 rocket launchers 2 missile launchers
Mids: 1 AFTERBURNER ; 1 7500m warp scram, and 1 web
Lows: 2 overdrive injectors
personally i can perma run this entire setup, including the AB and web and scram, and i think this provides a good advantage, because with a MWD 1.) your overall cap is reduced by 25% ; second: they take a ****load of power per burn, so normally, most people pulse MWD's w/ this, no pulsing is necessary
so, just find your target, lock, AB in orbit at about 2500metters, and let loose
like i said, if you get the jump on even inties you can almost insta pop them
i however do not recomend taking on assault frigs :(
hope this helps
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.11.08 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Adaera on 08/11/2008 10:44:20 If you're seriously going to pvp in a Kessie, consider training rockets 5 and getting tech 2 launchers. They're incredibly cheap and just as good or better as arbalests. (About 50-100k each) Also, it's worth mentioning that after the speed nerf you have a lot less to worry about from webs Edit: Oh and don't use gremlin rockets, if you can afford it go with caldari navy thorns, they hit a LOT harder with the Kestrel's bonus
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Sanka Cofie
Amarr Fractured Core
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Posted - 2008.11.08 13:39:00 -
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I've killed an Amarr interceptor in a Kestrel. Aside from that.. not sure I would fly them too much.
They could be decent in faction warfare if you stick to small complexs where you can be certain nothing bigger than a destroyer will come in.
You should be able to kill a destroyer / frigate.
That being said, I prefer the Griffin. ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl. |
Nye Jaran
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Posted - 2008.11.10 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sanka Cofie I've killed an Amarr interceptor in a Kestrel. Aside from that.. not sure I would fly them too much.
They could be decent in faction warfare if you stick to small complexs where you can be certain nothing bigger than a destroyer will come in.
You should be able to kill a destroyer / frigate.
That being said, I prefer the Griffin.
Sanka - Haven't seen you around in ages, you should jump into our old channel sometime this week, a few of us have been wanting to talk to you.
Back on topic....
I'm a fan of the Merlin and the Griffin myself. Merlin isn't too bad on SP requirements and you get a nice little boost to resists with Frig 5, the Griffin needs a few additional skills to be used properly.
Oh, and if you really want to take on a cruiser, go for it, just don't go against a vexor, the drones will be kinda painful (even when flown by a noob pilot).
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