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Murkon Salesgirl Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.30 00:13:00 - [1] With these new changes, a huge problem has arisen over the fact that the battleship class can no longer fend off smaller targets well. Drones were designed to augment this ability, given that not only medium but heavy drones have a 125m3 sig res, they were obviously designed to shoot at sub-battleship targets. Not simply just damage dealing drones, but webbers and TP drones will be required to effectively deal with these new changes. Now, this works fine in nullsec and empire wars. But the only place this is faulty is in lowsec. Why? Sentry guns will destroy all your drones. CCP: It's time to change this mechanic. It's an extremely annoying mechanic that hinders flexibility. Keep the sentries, but remove drones as a valid target for their AI.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.30 00:22:00 - [2] The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Xenomorphea Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.30 00:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Murkon Salesgirl With these new changes, a huge problem has arisen over the fact that the battleship class can no longer fend off smaller targets well. Drones were designed to augment this ability, given that not only medium but heavy drones have a 125m3 sig res, they were obviously designed to shoot at sub-battleship targets. Not simply just damage dealing drones, but webbers and TP drones will be required to effectively deal with these new changes. Now, this works fine in nullsec and empire wars. But the only place this is faulty is in lowsec. Why? Sentry guns will destroy all your drones. CCP: It's time to change this mechanic. It's an extremely annoying mechanic that hinders flexibility. Keep the sentries, but remove drones as a valid target for their AI. /signed damnit :-) Or at least reduce the damage they take according to their size - right now they all basically isntapop as soon as thy are targeted by sentries. Similarly, frigates and cruisers should not take as much sentry damage as a BS ... maybe if these changes were introduced pirates could also opt for small, lighter ships, instead of being forced in BCs/BS class ships. Cheers, Xeno
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.10.30 07:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. There's some dumb logic for you. If they have drones assigned, they have to be within drone control range.. which means they should probably just be sitting on the gate with the target shooting things. www.siigarikitawa.com
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.30 08:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. LOL. Most ridiculous attempt at a troll ever. You are trolling right? I mean, you can type and use a computer, so you must be slightly more intelligent than a monkey. I just can't believe that you'd post something like that, and actually be serious at the same time. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.30 08:45:00 - [6] This would be needed, particularly post SISI changes. Neutering all the drone ships (which are comparatively better post patch really) and removing the ability to fend off smaller ships without a blob is just a un-needed hit on piracy. Which is already preety nerfed by the 'nano' changes. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.30 11:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. There's some dumb logic for you. If they have drones assigned, they have to be within drone control range.. which means they should probably just be sitting on the gate with the target shooting things. and why can't they sit in gate and simply NOT SHOOT! Then their gang can have huge firepower without worring with the sentry guns.. Just use the brain. You can even do that with alts sittign in t1 cruisers that only have drones level 5 trained. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.30 11:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. LOL. Most ridiculous attempt at a troll ever. You are trolling right? I mean, you can type and use a computer, so you must be slightly more intelligent than a monkey. I just can't believe that you'd post something like that, and actually be serious at the same time. If you can't see how that is exploitable by using alts in ships that cost almost nothing (so no risk) then you are the dumb one! People already do that in 0.0 gatecamps! stick all drones to a ship that can lock very fast. But there is a simple focus change, in low sec that would be an exploitation on avoidance of sentry guns fire. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Taka Caldari Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.10.30 12:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. LOL. Most ridiculous attempt at a troll ever. You are trolling right? I mean, you can type and use a computer, so you must be slightly more intelligent than a monkey. I just can't believe that you'd post something like that, and actually be serious at the same time. If you can't see how that is exploitable by using alts in ships that cost almost nothing (so no risk) then you are the dumb one! People already do that in 0.0 gatecamps! stick all drones to a ship that can lock very fast. But there is a simple focus change, in low sec that would be an exploitation on avoidance of sentry guns fire. once the assisting drones aggro, the player who owns the drones gain aggro too therefore sentries shoot this T1 cruiser that supposedly would have no risk
1Evildude Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.30 12:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. LOL. Most ridiculous attempt at a troll ever. You are trolling right? I mean, you can type and use a computer, so you must be slightly more intelligent than a monkey. I just can't believe that you'd post something like that, and actually be serious at the same time. If you can't see how that is exploitable by using alts in ships that cost almost nothing (so no risk) then you are the dumb one! People already do that in 0.0 gatecamps! stick all drones to a ship that can lock very fast. But there is a simple focus change, in low sec that would be an exploitation on avoidance of sentry guns fire. If your drones attack someone you will be criminally flagged, doesn't matter if your drones are set to assist/protect someone or not. * Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most * Mega Night Out!

Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.10.30 14:39:00 - [11] Originally by: 1Evildude [..] If your drones attack someone you will be criminally flagged, doesn't matter if your drones are set to assist/protect someone or not. And there we have it. If sentries simply don't attack drones it will solve/help quite a few issues: - Blasterthron pirates will gain a lot of dps, which isn't a bad thing after the nerf. - Domi's become decent pirate ships. - Drones are neglected little bunnies which deserve love, always (well since my domi can't use 15 drones anymore anyway, so since several years anyway) Since Concord kills you so fast sentries not killing drones will not break anything in high sec either (although one could argue that drones should still be shot by high sec sentries). Heck yeah, leave our drones in peace, would make smaller tanking ships more useful for piracy too. Of course, people will complain more about ecm drones, but we'll burn that bridge when we get there. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. LOL. Most ridiculous attempt at a troll ever. You are trolling right? I mean, you can type and use a computer, so you must be slightly more intelligent than a monkey. I just can't believe that you'd post something like that, and actually be serious at the same time. If you can't see how that is exploitable by using alts in ships that cost almost nothing (so no risk) then you are the dumb one! People already do that in 0.0 gatecamps! stick all drones to a ship that can lock very fast. But there is a simple focus change, in low sec that would be an exploitation on avoidance of sentry guns fire. Pointing out the obvious for you is like talking to a four year old. Seriously. I won't reiterate what has already been posted above explaining why your point is wrong, but I will say this: stop posting about subjects you know nothing about. Clearly you don't fight in low sec, you're not a pirate, and you don't know the rules of engagement (ROE) for low sec. If you DID, you wouldn't have bothered posting. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.10.31 07:29:00 - [13] Seems reasonable, no real reason not to at least test it. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.10.31 09:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Kagura Nikon The problem with that becomes a single BS at gate with full tank and sensor boosters. And 50 drones assigned to it from his friends that do not agro themselves.. Would be game breaking... unless the agro would be transmitted from the drones to their owner. No ship has 50 drones. Motherships max out at 25. Perhaps you mean 10 ship gatecamp totally 50drones. If that's the case... you are smoke unless u cov-op and/or cloak-ab. Anyway the idea is bad. Low sec needs to be nerfed after their Hictor option. Scrambler-9km-2 points? disruptor-24km-1 point? hictor-30km-over 9000 points. Thats some very serious imbalance. ------------------------ Have you fed your slaves recently? -BRB Rens
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.10.31 09:26:00 - [15] yes please ... so I can start pirating at gates ... I love the little drone buggers ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.31 11:07:00 - [16] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 31/10/2008 11:08:26 Originally by: Jason Edwards Anyway the idea is bad. Low sec needs to be nerfed after their Hictor option. Scrambler-9km-2 points? disruptor-24km-1 point? hictor-30km-over 9000 points. Thats some very serious imbalance. Spoken like a true clueless* carebear To be honest, it only deters people from the stupid WCS setups (which were relying on people not packing enough points) to agility / speed / MWD+cloak setups which are way better anyway. Particularly MWD-cloak setups. Also, the best tackler, on TQ, is not your average HIC. The armour tanked Lachersis has enough points, vastly more range, and more sig resolution. It is, for all practical purposes, the superior tackler (which organized people were using before HICs). HICs are just easier to operate and exist for all races. At any rate, with the agility/web/etc changes on SISI atm, now you require a Lachersis to camp v people with a clue, and a Huggin is also a good idea. If you ever relied on WCS to get you through camps, you were doing it wrong. There is a very powerful option for evading low-sec gatecamps right now, on TQ. Most battleships* get away with it just fine. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.10.31 11:16:00 - [17] I think its about time that sentries stop shooting drones. There are quiete a few ships taken out of the pirating game because of this, which is a shame really. Of course with the new patch drones have become alot more important, too. I cannot see a proper reason to keep sentries shootin drones. - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Reptar Dragon THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.10.31 13:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Reptar Dragon on 31/10/2008 13:53:24 /SIGNED Please let me fight someone without having to wardec them first. Drones are unavailable for pirate use, especially non-heavy drone users like the Rokh. Hammerhead IIs get 2-shotted by the guns!!! EDIT: though it does make carriers assigning fighters to gatecamps completely without risk. you don't get sentry fire when you're inside a POS bubble. that one reason right there is why this idea will not be implemented into the game.
l3xz	Posted - 2008.10.31 14:16:00 - [19] I don't think that drones should be imune, but they should definately only take dmg proportional to their sig radius, and the same for all ships for that matter. Would allow more interersting piracy if you weren't limited to the best armor or shield tanking ships to sit on a gate or a station under sentry fire.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2008.10.31 14:30:00 - [20] awww... and here I was planning on getting my sec status back up and dropping battleships in T1 frigs.... Pirate BS gang: Oh, just look at that delicious osprey on autopilot, mmmm. Bang bang. OMG WATCH OUT A CONDOR UNCLOAKED!!! Wooo exploits!

Tykkis	Posted - 2008.11.01 00:19:00 - [21] I despise EVE pvp happens mostly at the gates/stations but i'd say let smaller crafts be able to take part on it too. Fact is, bigger is better under sentry fire.
Myung Chul Gallente Task Force Talon	Posted - 2008.11.01 05:33:00 - [22] give our nice little drones the ability to tank... like a rat frigate just smaller
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.01 06:45:00 - [23] Sentries are kinda broken anyway to be honest. They need to be rethought. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Capt Lothar the united	Posted - 2008.11.05 07:17:00 - [24] I've been saying this for a long time now and it's even more pertinent with the upcoming patch. Stop kicking low sec in the nuts please.
Daevonar Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.05 08:34:00 - [25] I think you are going about this all wrong.... I mean, sentry guns at gates are THERE to shoot at anything that is aggressively stopping people using the gate... ships drones, mean looking asteroids, whatever. If you want to make changes they should be to the guns themselves, perhaps making them easier to kill and dealing less damage the further down the sec scale you get... so 0.4 guns may do significant damage to drones, but 0.2 ones aren't as threatening ... or make it so the guns at lower sec gates are easier to destroy and dont spawn for a long time... easiest way to counter turrets firing at your drones would be to eliminate the turrets befor deploying your drones. Also, I may have missed something, but reading the changes I can't see how webbers and tp drones now be needed where they weren't before... Dae.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.11.05 09:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Daevonar I think you are going about this all wrong.... I mean, sentry guns at gates are THERE to shoot at anything that is aggressively stopping people using the gate... ships drones, mean looking asteroids, whatever. If you want to make changes they should be to the guns themselves, perhaps making them easier to kill and dealing less damage the further down the sec scale you get... so 0.4 guns may do significant damage to drones, but 0.2 ones aren't as threatening ... or make it so the guns at lower sec gates are easier to destroy and dont spawn for a long time... easiest way to counter turrets firing at your drones would be to eliminate the turrets befor deploying your drones. Also, I may have missed something, but reading the changes I can't see how webbers and tp drones now be needed where they weren't before... You do realize that those sentry guns are invulnerable to damage, right? There is no popping them to save our own drones.
Randgris The Bastards	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:39:00 - [27] yes please make my dominix and myrmidon viable gate fighters also on a side note changing this will mean lighter ships have a hard time tanking sentries since the sentries will then focus fire on the ships. it's a fair tradeoff imo, so signed ------------------------------------------ Yes I know how my face looks like :D


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