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Jach Wong
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:27:00 -
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Okay, so this has probably already been suggested somewhere and I'm probably going to go to hell for repeating it, but:
There's a large number of us out there who PVE or PVP in drone boats, because despite all their many flaws, drones are pretty bleeping cool. Presently, there's a fair sized gap between the Dominix/Ishtar and the carrier of your choice, not to mention the fact that you can't mission with carriers in high sec.
I'd like to propose something that straddles the gap between the Dominix and a carrier. The rough gist of it is something that can field and control 5 fighter drones, maintains a tier 2 / tier 3 BS tank, and runs 1 or 2 BS grade guns - with access to high sec and any mission complexes which currently allow battleships.
Targeted role and cost would be similar to those currently occupied by Marauders, minus the tractor bonus of course.
Rough sketch of the proposed Caldari pocket carrier:
Turret hardpoints: 2 Missile hardpoints: 0
High slots: 6 Mid slots: 6 Low slots: 5
Powergrid: 10500 CPU: 800
Shields: 8000 at 20/55/35/45 resists Armor: 7000 at 50/25/35/40 resists
Bonuses: -5% duration for Large Shield Transporter per level, +5km drone control range per level 500% role bonus to Large Shield Transporter range. "This is not the boot you're looking for." |
Wannabehero
Caldari Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.10.30 16:43:00 -
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I like the idea of sub-Cap carriers for each race, as a slightly-larger-than-battleship scale logistics vessel without the cap tank or cap remote rep ability, and defended only by their drone compliment.
I do not think that fighters are a good idea for these ships. Fighters in many cases are worse than heavy drones; the DPS is not astoundingly higher and the cost of fighters is staggering compared to heavy drones. Having these ships available to assign fighters would also drastically step on the toes of current carriers.
Maybe a role bonus that allows the fitting of drone control units, and a bit more hitpoints and capacitor than a battleship, would be nice. Then it might be practical for one of these types of ships to form a logistic core of a small gang, but be far less useful than a true carrier in large fleets. --
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Jach Wong
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Posted - 2008.10.30 17:53:00 -
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Fair point.
Maybe add a racial BS skill bonus of +20% fighter drone damage and max velocity per level, and a role bonus of +100% fighter drone tracking speed. Bottom line is the introduction of a drone based Marauder, trading tractor bonus for increased logistics capacity and lower DPS.
Favoring fighters over heavies or sentries increases the cost, but makes the ship more balanced. The size of the drone bay could be fairly small, just enough to support a handful of replacement fighters, putting these pocket carriers further out of league with traditional carriers. "This is not the boot you're looking for." |
Jach Wong
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Posted - 2008.11.04 22:11:00 -
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Bumped once, just in case "This is not the boot you're looking for." |
procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.11.04 22:19:00 -
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you should fly caldari. the largest non-capital bay is on teh raven at 75m3. training drone skills for a carrier is horrendous. i crosstrained gallente now btw and have 3m sp in drones still working on heavy and di V.
i support a sub-capital class of carrier that can fit warlinks. currently we use a bc or a carrier with nothing in between there as well.
the gallente should have damage bonus on drones of like 20% instead of the domi 10%, caldari a 10% range and 10% dmg, minimitar a 15% damage and 25% speed (not sure with speed nerf), and amarr a 10-15% damage and 30-40% bonus to drone em damage because otherwise who uses the em drone?
keep them to heavy and sentry drones.
alternatively for variety caldari could keep the 75m3 bay get a 20% damage bonus and a 10% optimal increase. this kind of gimps other races who have to train for heavies to get the same amount of dps though. I would personally prefer to use heavies but it is an alternate idea.
just my thoughts. |
Jacioni
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Posted - 2008.11.04 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: procurement specialist the largest non-capital bay is on teh raven at 75m3.
The Dominix called, it wants you to remember its 375m3 drone capacity.
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Yerotun on 05/11/2008 00:56:40
Originally by: Jacioni
Originally by: procurement specialist the largest non-capital bay is on teh raven at 75m3.
The Dominix called, it wants you to remember its 375m3 drone capacity.
Reading comprehension called.
They said, you should try caldari, the largest non cap bay they have is the raven at 75m3 |
Odizzido
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Posted - 2008.11.05 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Odizzido on 05/11/2008 01:09:44 I will take anything new for drone users really. We get no love.
But we really should get something in line with marauders. They have a ship for all the other weapons, why not drones?
edit------ even if they just added a navy version of the typoon/dominix like the megathron has I would be happy. |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 03:49:00 -
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I'd rather have a drone control unit you could stick on the Dominishtar, or a Dominishtar with the ability to use them. Why?
Screw fighters, think about the epic sentry dronage @: ----
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:37:00 -
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I suggested a similar idea almost two years ago, and got flamed to hell for it.
Anyway, the basics of my idea: it would be a tier 5 BS, able to use jump gates, no cyno, very few slots in both highs mids and lows. Able to fit a single cap rep, no weapon hardpoints. Able to field only 5 drones/fighters at once, unable to fit drone control modules. Gets a drone/fighter dps/HP bonus. Drone bay large enough to field maybe 3x flights of 5x fighters each, plus some drones, say 1km3 worth.
Limiting the number of slots available makes the user really have to choose how they want to spend those module slots. A single module will make a larger impact on the overall setup of the ship.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
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HedleyLamarr
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Posted - 2008.11.05 11:55:00 -
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Nice idea..would love a new ship class like this.
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Kransthow
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.05 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wannabehero Fighters in many cases are worse than heavy drones
lol
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.05 14:48:00 -
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^ its true, fighters cant even hit frigates, very hard to hit cruisers.
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari Political Warfare Executive
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Posted - 2008.11.05 15:37:00 -
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If we look at WWII, Escort Carriers were often made from converted freighters.
I think it'd be quite cool if heavy droneboats were made from modified Badger/Bestower/Iteron/etc hulls. They would not have a great deal of inbuilt firepower, but could tank like a HAC and dish out serious drone-based DPS.
Some sort of backstory might be required to explain why the interstellar nations have started converting merchant vessels to warships in such a fashion - ie massive military expansion outstripping capacity of traditional production means. Ad hoc patrol vessels being introduced from alternative sources.
Hmmmm.
T.
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Revan Orillion
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Posted - 2008.11.05 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Orillion on 05/11/2008 15:55:07 I like the idea of having mini carriers use frieghter hulls. They already look like they could launch fighters and drones, plus they have a huge amount of space.
The backstory idea is good to, as mini carriers could hold up to five fighters, which are warp capable and could be used as manned early warning systems since the Gallente network was comprimised so badely.
I really think that they backstory to these should include something like, the first mini carrier was a frieghter converted by a capsuleer or something of the like.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.11.05 17:13:00 -
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i like the concept of converting a freighter but then it would be more expensive than a real carrier. :(
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari Political Warfare Executive
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Posted - 2008.11.05 17:52:00 -
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Nah, I was using maritime rather than in-game terminology. It'd use the Industrial class: Badger / Bestower etc.
I wouldn't want to try to convert a big unwieldy Freighter into a combat vessel.
T.
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Nikolae Varius
Amarr Exiled. Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.11.05 18:35:00 -
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Makes me wish we had EV Nova's customize method. I'd love to take a providence, give up 99% of its cargo space for like 6/2/8 or some layout. And a bonus to cruise missiles. Just cause it'd look so sexy if it was a cruise missile spouting fighter crapping warship. And the charon reminds me of something from star wars or HW2 where it has a bajillion mini turrets. ====================================
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari Political Warfare Executive
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Posted - 2008.11.05 19:21:00 -
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OMG you're right. Sod pocket carriers, we need BASE STARS!
T.
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Jach Wong
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Posted - 2008.11.05 19:50:00 -
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Well, there is another reason to use fighters instead of heavies or sentries: survivability. This is particularly relevant since disconnects leave mission running drones alone and exposed =P "This is not the boot you're looking for." |
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Bobbechk
The Priory
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Posted - 2008.11.06 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jach Wong Well, there is another reason to use fighters instead of heavies or sentries: survivability. This is particularly relevant since disconnects leave mission running drones alone and exposed =P
so basicly your just bored having to target in your missions and wants a AFK sub capital pwnmobile
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Jach Wong
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Posted - 2008.11.06 01:13:00 -
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Well, I personally switch out rather regularly between drone boats, missile boats, and gun boats. I just think drone-heavy players could use a little love, seeing as they've been getting nothing but nerfs for a while now.
Furthermore, every other combat style has a Marauder well suited to it.
Oh, and fighters are damn cool, and it'd be pretty hot to mission with them now and then =P "This is not the boot you're looking for." |
procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jach Wong Well, I personally switch out rather regularly between drone boats, missile boats, and gun boats. I just think drone-heavy players could use a little love, seeing as they've been getting nothing but nerfs for a while now.
Furthermore, every other combat style has a Marauder well suited to it.
Oh, and fighters are damn cool, and it'd be pretty hot to mission with them now and then =P
get a carrier and run low sec l5 missions?
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Jach Wong
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: procurement specialist get a carrier and run low sec l5 missions?
Returns aren't that good, certainly not enough to justify the incurred risks. "This is not the boot you're looking for." |
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