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Bimjo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:35:00 -
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Obviously main role is POS bashing,but are there certain subtle differences that makes one dread better than another ?
thanks
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:37:00 -
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as far as i see the phoenix is bad in the way that the missiles are underpowered compared to capital turrets
the naglfar requires twice as much time to train up its weapon systems because it makes use of 2 capital matar and 2 missile launchers
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Bimjo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:38:00 -
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cheers DS,so what about the moros and rev ?
and if you could choose,which of the 4 would you train for ?
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:39:00 -
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Yes. The pilot.
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Leobon
Gallente
Angeli Iustitiorum
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:46:00 -
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The Rev is great for both POS bashing and anti-capitol work. The Moros is ok but people seem to tank kinetic and thermal damage the most.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:46:00 -
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Phoenix - awesome against POS (pick the resists hole) and other dreads (no smartbombs), HORRIBLE against other caps (citadel torp low hitpoints + smartbombs = LOL no damage)
Moros - decent...ish against POS and also most ships thanks to the great drone bonus, probably best overall but not best at anything in particular
Revelation - cap lasers = awesome. With regular T1 crystals, you need no ammo, but then again, you need strontium anyway, so it kind of evens out. Pretty good against POSes, the best dread against those with EM/thermal resists holes for sure.
Naglsomething - freaking vertical. But other than that, not much to say, and needing to skill up two different weapon systems is meh.
Just be aware of what your chosen dread is good for, and don't try to use it for something it's not good for... you'll be fine with whichever you chose 
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Bimjo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:48:00 -
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thanks to all those mature enough to help me in this decision
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:49:00 -
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Basically the nag is inferior, phoenix is more selectively useful and moros and rev are pretty awesome.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 31/10/2008 11:54:02
Personally, my alt is almost ready (in case I want to go to caps some day, but I doubt it will be any time soon) for both Phoenix and Revelation.
Also, Amarr and Caldari carriers are both awesome.
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Bimjo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:52:00 -
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I am going for rev and phoenix
already have most the support skills,and revelation skill too,so just need to find caldari dread skillbook
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Gorefacer
Caldari
Resurrection
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:09:00 -
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After extensive POS work I have to say the Phoenix is decent.
However, no ammo makes me jealous...
Go Revelation.
Also if your gonna dual or triple box (or more?) dread accounts not have to reactive weapons makes the rev the obvious choice.
Gore
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CCP Ytterbium
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
Phoenix - awesome against POS (pick the resists hole) and other dreads (no smartbombs), HORRIBLE against other caps (citadel torp low hitpoints + smartbombs = LOL no damage)
Just wanted to comment a bit on that. Citadel torpedoes hitpoints should be changed from 650 to 1920 as part of the Speed Balance and Weapon Grouping changes, so smartbombs should be less of an issue in this kind of situation.
That is all, you may resume your discussion. Nothing to see here, these are not the devs you were looking for  . |
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:32:00 -
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Phoenixis cool. The Amarr one is also nice. But as stated, depends on its use. And it seems citadel torps are getting a needed bonus, so that makes Phoenix ever better ;)
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ishina Fel on 31/10/2008 12:33:41
What helpful Mr. Ytterbium forgot to mention, though, is the fact that even a webbed dread can still reduce citadel torpedo damage by 50% by "speed tanking" at 10 m/s with the upcoming missile formula... so yeah. Phoenix is still not suited for hitting anything other than POSes, unfortunately.
EDIT: Well, and sieged dreads, I guess...
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Karl Luckner
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Just wanted to comment a bit on that. Citadel torpedoes hitpoints should be changed from 650 to 1920 as part of the Speed Balance and Weapon Grouping changes, so smartbombs should be less of an issue in this kind of situation.
That is all, you may resume your discussion. Nothing to see here, these are not the devs you were looking for .
Yeah, and any moving capital can speedtank it, thanks to the new missile formula. 90% Damageredaction @ 65 m/s. So back to square zero.
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Tuncan
Minmatar
Arbitrary Freedom
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:46:00 -
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moving dread?
no siege mod
lol damage,who cares if it tanks ur missiles just ignore it.
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 31/10/2008 12:47:38
Originally by: Karl Luckner
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Just wanted to comment a bit on that. Citadel torpedoes hitpoints should be changed from 650 to 1920 as part of the Speed Balance and Weapon Grouping changes, so smartbombs should be less of an issue in this kind of situation.
That is all, you may resume your discussion. Nothing to see here, these are not the devs you were looking for .
Yeah, and any moving capital can speedtank it, thanks to the new missile formula. 90% Damageredaction @ 65 m/s. So back to square zero.
Truly?
That seems like it need a bit of tweeking...
Tho the sige mod mentioned helps, but not for other capitals.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:51:00 -
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Hmz that's definitely interesting..it looks like the citadel torps need a bigger fix after all.
Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart |
Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tuncan
moving dread?
no siege mod
lol damage,who cares if it tanks ur missiles just ignore it.
It's not only about dreads, it's also about carriers, motherships, titans, rorquals, battleships and freighters.
(Yes, i've seen a dread shoot a freighter before )
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:24:00 -
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Citadel torps brring a whole new meaning to 'missle lag'.
They are ok (not great, but not bad) for POS', but they are awful for cap to cap warfare. And since dreads are the new BB, the speed of Citadel Torps limits the ships use. We see Dreads fitted with Sensor Boosters and 'sniper fitted' - the Pheonix is just a meat shield in these engadgments.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:46:00 -
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any dread other than the naglfar is the correct dread(tm)
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:53:00 -
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Personnaly i love flying the revelation,
god knows how much dps i didnt put at a pos simply because i forgot to reactivate guns when browsing the forums.
But also in large capfights which unfortunately usually are very laggy, not having to reload which is a pita in lag safes you alot of frustration.
I advise against citadel using dreads, its not fun not only having to deal with reloading in capital fights when its laggy, or smartbombs - but also to see plenty of your torps crawling towards an enemie only to disappear when the target has died before the torps arrive.
The main reason i dont fly the phoenix anymore.
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Boosters and PirateProfessions
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Luckner
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Originally by: Akita T
Phoenix - awesome against POS and other dreads, HORRIBLE against other caps
Just wanted to comment a bit on that. Citadel torpedoes hitpoints should be changed from 650 to 1920 as part of the Speed Balance and Weapon Grouping changes, so smartbombs should be less of an issue in this kind of situation.
Yeah, and any moving capital can speedtank it, thanks to the new missile formula. 90% Damageredaction @ 65 m/s. So back to square zero.
I stand by my original assesment, but for different reasons post-patch
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Soldat
the naglfar requires twice as much time to train up its weapon systems because it makes use of 2 capital matar and 2 missile launchers
Technically, the Moros is a split-weapon dread as well; it has a bonus to both capital hybrid turrets and drones. The absolute minimum requirements for the second weapon system are much lower of course, but to really get the most use out of a Moros, especially when shooting sub-capital targets, you need to have very good drone skills. Drone Interfacing V, Heavy Drones V and Sentry Drones V take about three months combined to train, and that's not including T2 lights/mediums and loads of support skills.
Mind you, the benefit of the split-weapon system training on the Moros is that drones are useful on just about any platform, whereas capital weapons are only useful on capital ships, so it rather balances out.
Back on topic, I would have to agree with the poster esrlier in the thread who said that the Moros is the most flexible dread but isn't the best at any one thing.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Originally by: Akita T
Phoenix - awesome against POS (pick the resists hole) and other dreads (no smartbombs), HORRIBLE against other caps (citadel torp low hitpoints + smartbombs = LOL no damage)
Just wanted to comment a bit on that. Citadel torpedoes hitpoints should be changed from 650 to 1920 as part of the Speed Balance and Weapon Grouping changes, so smartbombs should be less of an issue in this kind of situation.
That is all, you may resume your discussion. Nothing to see here, these are not the devs you were looking for .
now if only they werent so slow...
(pokes ccp to make cap. cruise launchers)
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Night-Stalkers
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:43:00 -
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just fly a revelation, lasers are pure win!
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Reptar Dragon
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.10.31 16:02:00 -
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Moros does some pretty decent drone damage because of it's bonus which makes it pretty good for anti-support. Hurts pretty bad actually.
Rev is the best for POS knocking.
Phoenix is great for wasting your time (nice volley damage though).
Naglfar actually does pretty good damage but it's got mixed high slots so you gotta train double and pay double attention.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.31 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Luckner
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Just wanted to comment a bit on that. Citadel torpedoes hitpoints should be changed from 650 to 1920 as part of the Speed Balance and Weapon Grouping changes, so smartbombs should be less of an issue in this kind of situation.
That is all, you may resume your discussion. Nothing to see here, these are not the devs you were looking for .
Yeah, and any moving capital can speedtank it, thanks to the new missile formula. 90% Damageredaction @ 65 m/s. So back to square zero.
Well, in a close range fight (20-40km), that also enough speed to speed tank a gun dread in siege mod. And long range cap fights aren't that common.
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.31 17:43:00 -
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Just wanted to pop in and say... *cough*
The Correct DreadÖ
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Destiny Balls
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.31 20:50:00 -
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Honestly, between the Rev and the Moros, I'd pick whichever race you like to have BS V in.
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