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Munio Veritas
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:33:00 -
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So, I've been playing for roughly 2 and a half months, or so, and I've become annoyed by the Intaki's low perception. Considering that if I reroll, it'll be January until I get the same amount of SP that I have now, is it worth it in the long run to start training a different character?
Thanks in advance.
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Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:42:00 -
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What are your current base attributes ? ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues. |
Khraunus
Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:43:00 -
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Welcome to the club of horribly unperceptive people. Thank god you recognized it in time. Yes, you should reroll unless you want to spend 35 days just training racial cruisers to 5 Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or my signature? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 02/11/2008 02:50:10
It all depends on exactly how long you plan to play and what skills you want to train. But yeah, if you want to mostly train ship&weapon skills, the sooner you make the switch the better. If two months seems like a long time now... imagine how a single skill level that takes 2 months to train (any battleship level 5) WILL feel like a long time down the road
The Guide is here to help you
Also... on your new character, don't neglect nor stress out too much any of your attributes... try to keep them all between 6 and 10 (I guess a 5 on charisma or a 11 on perception would be ok too).
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Munio Veritas
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 03:26:00 -
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I'm currently at: 4.75m SP
Charisma: 11 (no learning trained up in this) Intelligence: 21 Perception 14 (max I can get in this is 17) Memory: 17 Willpower: 17
This is with a set of +3's, minus charisma.
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Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.02 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Munio Veritas I'm currently at: 4.75m SP
Charisma: 11 (no learning trained up in this) Intelligence: 21 Perception 14 (max I can get in this is 17) Memory: 17 Willpower: 17
This is with a set of +3's, minus charisma.
And what would the attributes be before you applied learning skills or implants ?
Use this formula if you don't know: ROUNDUP ( Truncated_Attrib / ( 1 + ( Learning_Lv * 0.02 ) ) ) * ( 1 + ( Learning_Lv * 0.02 ) ) ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues. |
Munio Veritas
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 04:27:00 -
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Intelligence: 11 Perception: 4 Memory: 9 Willpower: 11 Charisma: 9
I think that's right...
I made a Khanid character with Intelligence: 8 Perception: 11 (15 w/ the skill that came with the bloodline) Charisma: 5 Willpower: 8 (10 w/ the skill that came with the bloodline) Memory: 7
How's that look?
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Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.02 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Munio Veritas Intelligence: 11 Perception: 4 Memory: 9 Willpower: 11 Charisma: 9
I think that's right...
I count 44 points there, you should have 39. But your extra willpower won't make up for low perception, so a reroll is a good idea.
Quote: I made a Khanid character with Intelligence: 8 Perception: 11 (15 w/ the skill that came with the bloodline) Charisma: 5 Willpower: 8 (10 w/ the skill that came with the bloodline) Memory: 7
How's that look?
Intelligence and memory look a bit low, and you will need them for electronics (targeting related skills), engineering (shield and capacitor) and mechanic skills (hull, armor and rigs).
As a general rule, I'd go with balanced attributes with low charisma*. So using this site as a guide, so if you want Khanid I'd suggest a Khanid Zealot with 3 extra points on intel, 2 on memory. This would give you: INT - 8 CHA - 5 PER - 8 MEM - 8 WILL - 10 This is before any learning skills it starts with are applied.
*This is a good general purpose setup. If you know exactly where you will take your character, other attribute setups may work better for you. But not much better once you add max learning skills and a decent set of implants. ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues. |
Dark Soldat
Caldari Burning Blade Crusaders
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Posted - 2008.11.02 07:06:00 -
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4.7 you wont die just do it and get over it !
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.02 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 02/11/2008 07:21:36
Hesod Adee, actually, Munio Veritas' pick is slightly better than yours. Willpower is the second least used attribute after charisma.
His pilot gets 2 main points advantage on all basic ships and weapons, one and a half points advantage in navigation, he gets exactly the same speed on drones as your pick, and *only* half a point disadvantage on most support skills and T2 specific ship skills.
P.S. His pick is almost identical to my alt's attribute spread. The only difference is that I went with 9 int 6 mem instead of 8 int 7 mem, since it gets slightly better support skills (which I want more of) while sacrificing drone skills training speed (which I don't care all that much about past a certain point I almost reached).
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.02 13:10:00 -
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In my opinion the default choice for anyone creating a character should be to distribute the 5 points in Per and Int. Only when a highly specialised character (an alt with only one purpose) is made the choice might be different.
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Dr Caymus
Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
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Posted - 2008.11.02 16:02:00 -
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Munio, I'm not sure what skills you have trained thus far, but I would imagine that they are primarily the basic skills that everybody needs. With your current attributes, you might consider auctioning off your current character as an industrial/science starter character, then taking the ISK proceeds and purchasing another starter character with the attributes you are seeking. That'd be alot faster than rerolling.
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.02 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Caymus Munio, I'm not sure what skills you have trained thus far, but I would imagine that they are primarily the basic skills that everybody needs. With your current attributes, you might consider auctioning off your current character as an industrial/science starter character, then taking the ISK proceeds and purchasing another starter character with the attributes you are seeking. That'd be alot faster than rerolling.
^^ this.
that charisma will hurt you in the long run tbh, but rerolling is a major pain in the ass imo
Originally by: deadmaus
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Korovyov
Luminous Love Brewery
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Posted - 2008.11.02 17:27:00 -
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Way back I played an Intaki with crap attributes. After about 1-2 months I decided to roll a new character. While said character was training all the tedious learning skills I continued to play the Intaki to generate isk, which paid for implants and an apoc on the new toon. Mind you this was way back before advanced learning skills, so "learning skill tedium" was at most 1 month for bumping them all to level 5's. Of course, now you can go 4/3... that's another tangent.
Anyway, yes, reroll. Low charisma and fairly ballanced stats everywhere else, as said above, will make up for it in the long run. And while you're retraining the basics, use your current character to make some isk. As for selling him later on, that depends on how much isk you can get for him. After all, it's $20 to transfer a char for sale, right? Not worth it if all you're going to get is beans.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.02 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Munio Veritas So, I've been playing for roughly 2 and a half months, or so, and I've become annoyed by the Intaki's low perception. Considering that if I reroll, it'll be January until I get the same amount of SP that I have now, is it worth it in the long run to start training a different character?
Thanks in advance.
Use your Intaki as a miner/trader/ISK maker and roll yourself a Khanid Cyberknight or some such.
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Munio Veritas
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Korovyov Way back I played an Intaki with crap attributes. After about 1-2 months I decided to roll a new character. While said character was training all the tedious learning skills I continued to play the Intaki to generate isk, which paid for implants and an apoc on the new toon. Mind you this was way back before advanced learning skills, so "learning skill tedium" was at most 1 month for bumping them all to level 5's. Of course, now you can go 4/3... that's another tangent.
I was gonna do this, until I get Munio's sec status back up to positive. Then maybe I could sell it.
Thanks for all the help, guys.
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ikoban
Amarr Scarlet Scourge Society
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Posted - 2008.11.04 02:00:00 -
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If you seriously want to reroll youre chr my advice would be...
open a trial account.
Start learning skills ASAP... work on int and mem to lvl 3 then get some +3 imps in that chrs head. train int and mem to lvl 4.. then train them to adv 4. then polish off int and mem to basic 5. you should also have trained learning to lvl 5. this will allow you to work on youre other learnign skills even better as you will have 5/4 with learning at 5 you will have 9.9 more ontop of youre attributes.
if you have NO intention EVER of doing anything chr based then wotj on per and will to basic 5 and adv 4. then youre ready to go joe.
if you do an starter look at
Caldari achurastargaz:88963 Caldari achuramonk:98683
both starter chrs can start off with 9/9/9/9/3 3 being chr. while many consider this bad i dont. because if you do NO charisma based skills youre getting over 19m sp a year with +4's if you max out learning and add +5 youre getting just shy of 21m a year.
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TYCONDEROGA
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.11.04 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Munio Veritas So, I've been playing for roughly 2 and a half months, or so, and I've become annoyed by the Intaki's low perception. Considering that if I reroll, it'll be January until I get the same amount of SP that I have now, is it worth it in the long run to start training a different character?
Thanks in advance.
My take is, if you're not happy with your current attributes or even your character name, you should re-roll. I played for years hopping from character to character, buying/selling them on the forums... i started over a few months ago completely, albeit with a fairly large wallet. I got everything perfect, and im finally happy with my char. |
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