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Epegi Givo
Amarr Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2008.11.03 06:22:00 -
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Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? According to them, God gives humans their sexuality. If someone likes people of the same gender, shouldn't christians respect god's wish of those people liking eachother? -------------------------------------
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Bei Bao
Caldari Honey Cluster
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Posted - 2008.11.03 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? According to them, God gives humans their sexuality. If someone likes people of the same gender, shouldn't christians respect god's wish of those people liking eachother?
#flashback to middle school#
God is dead mate you just dont know it yet.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.03 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? According to them, God gives humans their sexuality. If someone likes people of the same gender, shouldn't christians respect god's wish of those people liking eachother?
Your grouping. Understand that there are many denominations in Christianity, each with their own beliefs and ways of life. While one group may shun the other embraces. Ultimately it is not up to them to judge but the one they worship. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Baldour Ngarr
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:06:00 -
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Specifically, those christians who are rabidly anti-homosexual will argue that God did not give them their homosexual tendencies, but they chose them out of evil and selfishness. ________________________________________________
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:10:00 -
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better question. why do so many Christians seem to care SO MUCH about pressing their opinions on abortion and same sex marriage onto others? and its not just them pressing their opinions... they want their opinions legislated by the govmnt!
Another question i find myself asking is why do they seem so apathetic (in some cases enthusiastic) regarding war?
it seems the more fundamental and evangelical a Christian group is, the more they answer exactly the opposite to that phrase they love "what would jesus do?"
for example. the topic in question. Gay marriage: what would jesus do? He would probably say something like "judge not lest ye be judged" or "love thy neighbor"
/parents are fundy christian. we get along, but we also argue A LOT at election time because they base their votes entirely off someones views on abortion and gay marriage ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
Epegi Givo
Amarr Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Specifically, those christians who are rabidly anti-homosexual will argue that God did not give them their homosexual tendencies, but they chose them out of evil and selfishness.
then that means god filled those people with those "evil and selfish" feelings. -------------------------------------
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: Epegi Givo
This is my sig, or is it?
Now the only thing I can think of are Yard Gnome Ninjas...
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy better question. why do so many Christians seem to care SO MUCH about pressing their opinions on abortion and same sex marriage onto others? and its not just them pressing their opinions... they want their opinions legislated by the govmnt!
Another question i find myself asking is why do they seem so apathetic (in some cases enthusiastic) regarding war?
it seems the more fundamental and evangelical a Christian group is, the more they answer exactly the opposite to that phrase they love "what would jesus do?"
for example. the topic in question. Gay marriage: what would jesus do? He would probably say something like "judge not lest ye be judged" or "love thy neighbor"
/parents are fundy christian. we get along, but we also argue A LOT at election time because they base their votes entirely off someones views on abortion and gay marriage
Your confusing actual Christians, IE those who actually believe in God, Christ and so forth with those who claim it for their own purpose, such as a supposive superior moral authority. Id go in deeper but id perfer not to cause major issues. Suffice to say if it doesnt act like a christian, doesnt follow the teachings of Christ and so forth, chances are, the individual isnt a Christan regardless of what they claim. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? According to them, God gives humans their sexuality. If someone likes people of the same gender, shouldn't christians respect god's wish of those people liking eachother?
Im not one to believe this but this is the jist of it.
Christians believe God commanded them to"be fruitfull and multiply", obviously being gay doesnt enable you to multiply and because of this it doesnt enable homosexual behaviour.
Second, christians would say those feelings are there as a test of your will to galvanize your beliefs and strengthen you as a person(through denying the pleasure).
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Your confusing actual Christians, IE those who actually believe in God, Christ and so forth with those who claim it for their own purpose, such as a supposive superior moral authority. Id go in deeper but id perfer not to cause major issues. Suffice to say if it doesnt act like a christian, doesnt follow the teachings of Christ and so forth, chances are, the individual isnt a Christan regardless of what they claim.
well, i wouldn't say so much as i'm confusing it as it is just the term is a very very wide brush to paint with.
i agree we need not go too deep into that part, but adherence to all of Christ' teachings really isn't a requisite to calling yourself a Christian. this isn't to say i disagree with you, because i don't. ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:44:00 -
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Wow... politics, religion and sexuality, all of it bashed together in the same thread ?
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Wow... politics, religion and sexuality, all of it bashed together in the same thread ?
Sounds like the eve forums to me.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.03 08:12:00 -
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IBTL oh, and hail SATAN, i heard he likes homo-sexuals
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Baldour Ngarr
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.03 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Specifically, those christians who are rabidly anti-homosexual will argue that God did not give them their homosexual tendencies, but they chose them out of evil and selfishness.
then that means god filled those people with those "evil and selfish" feelings.
They'll tell you it doesn't. ________________________________________________
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Morgan La'Chance
Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.03 08:33:00 -
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Good old cherrypicking from the Bible. Sometimes the Old Testament applies, sometimes not.
In this particular issue, "thou shalt not lie with a man as thou wouldst with a woman; it is an abomination" is the true ****, but the part about killing all the men in a conquered nation and taking their wives and daughters? Goodness gracious no! That's barbaric.
tl;dr: Ancient texts dictate to people who they can or cannot love and incite hate. Movie at eleven.
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RogueWing
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.03 09:00:00 -
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1 Corinthians 6:9
What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit GodĘs kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men,
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annoing
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.11.03 09:07:00 -
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*cough* jesus hung around with 12 other me *cough
I think that speaks volumes
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2008.11.03 09:15:00 -
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The Prayer Of A Realist:
There's no-one up there There never was Only in vain is there a god There's too much suffering for there to be an almighty power or a heavenly being.
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 09:44:00 -
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Quote: Leviticus 18:22 "A man must not lie with another man as he would with a woman; that is detestable.
the bible was accumulated over the course of several hundred years, more than 1500 years ago. As such, the values within it are.... a little old-fashioned. Some modern Christians still believe that this much-translated, much-edited, much-rewritten document is the unadulterated, pure word of God, and that its commands are to be followed to the letter (this can be quite difficult - in some cases, it directly contradicts itself).
Interestingly, a lot of the teachings of the Abrahamic religions - such as Christianity or Islam - are effectively an attempt to improve public hygiene. Abjurations such as not eating pork (which could give you strichinosis), washing your hands and feet (when you've been building houses out of cow manure and sticks)... hell, most of the book of Leviticus.
And, of course, when the faithful wind up NOT dying from food poisoning or STDs, then it is God's word that has saved them - more people wake up to this idea that religion is a good thing, and the faith spreads. -
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Morgan La'Chance
Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.03 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: RogueWing 1 Corinthians 6:9
What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit GodĘs kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men,
The corinthian letters are a bunch of rubbish from a madman who believed he had a moral authority and said lots of crazy **** with no divine right to back it up. Right after your quoted passage, is a quote directly against a quote from Christ, and the only such in the bible, saying that thieves can indeed enter paradise.
Other fun things said in 1 Corinthians, starting with a couple from 6:
6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Don't sue believers in a non-Christian court.
6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Devout and high-ranking believers are exempt from non-Christian law.
6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
Don't have sex. As in, at all. Preferrably. Also makes some funny mentions regarding marriage; better not to marry, but better to marry than to live in sin vOv.
1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Don't question authority or dogma.
1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
It's good to be a fool and not to question, it pleases God. Don't know where the hell he thought this one up or on what authority.
2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Christians can judge anyone; no-one can judge a Christian.
5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Cut of all ties with people who make mistakes in life.
Of course, the best part in all of the bible is the 144 000 part in Relevations; Only male virgins who are devout will enter paradise. Not sure how they came to this conclusion but tough luck heteros, you're SOL, too!
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:16:00 -
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The Greek civilisation as it existed LONG LONG LONG before that pitiful jesus dude allegedly came around was founded almost completely on homosexuality. Intellectual men were encouraged to keep a younger lover as male to male sex was regarded as 'higher' than the more 'basic' copulation between male and female (which served only reproduction). In the Greek army, homosexuality was promoted as well, because they believed that you would fight better if your lover was fighting next to you.
That Greek civilisation also did more for humanity than christianity ever will. (dark ages, lolwut?)
take that, [insert lots of *%$*&$ here], christians!
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:25:00 -
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An amusing side topic to this discussion is the homosexual Christians who want church marriage or to be priests etc when the bible is pretty clear about homosexuality and then they claim well if its the word of god its wrong.......
So if the word of their god is wrong why the hell do they believe in it and campaign and make such a huge fuss about the bibles condemnation, I don't get it.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan La'Chance The entire bible almost...
Heh, and in 2000 years when society collapses and rebuilds (Providing earth is still habitable), people will find a decrepit old copy of Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone, and believe that as true fact and gospel... because its old.
All hail our lord and savior Harry Potter!
... People are idiots. Pure and simple. If something is un-natural then clearly its WRONG and the almighty vengeance will strike them down. Shame that they spend their entire lives preaching about something that has never made itself known... nor acted apon the apparent sins of humanity.
Tbh, If i saw generation after generation before me worshipping something that wasn't really there... I wouldnt exactly be the first to jump on the same bandwagon.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:36:00 -
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Religious people are also hypocrytical. They shun atheists and agnostics, while being that to a large degree themselves. I mean, atheists just add one more deity to the list they DON'T believe in
Also, religious zealots fail at logic, or at least at facts research... "homosexuality is a crime against nature"... right... a list of significantly often occuring cases of homosexuality or bisexuality in mammals includes (to name but a few non-human species) : dolphins, elephants, giraffes, lions, sheep.
Any person that has at least a shred of reason, common-sense and logic in him will eventually become at least agnostic, if not downright atheist. Every last person who PRETENDS to TRULY believe in ANY god whatsoever is either totally brainwashed, extremely weak-willed (with stubbornness camouflaging as strong willpower), downright stupid or a combination of the mentioned negative traits.
[rant] Religious organisations should not be tax-exempt, quite the contrary, they should be subjected to the HIGHEST possible tax brackets. Better still, actively preaching any type of religion to people who didn't give out their informed ADULT consent should be FORBIDDEN and people who try to SPREAD their religious beliefs to minors or people not interested in it should be MEDICATED for their DELUSIONS or institutionalized if the delusion (and the desire to spread it) persists. [/rant]
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? According to them, God gives humans their sexuality. If someone likes people of the same gender, shouldn't christians respect god's wish of those people liking eachother?
For the same reason Christians get violently offended if someone eats fish on a Friday, or works on the Sabbath, of course.
Because it's in the bible.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:42:00 -
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From forum rules sticky:
3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics. -------------
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics.
Show me another mostly-agnostic/atheist forum with anywhere near the number of posters that this forum has where you CAN discuss issues of religion _
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? According to them, God gives humans their sexuality. If someone likes people of the same gender, shouldn't christians respect god's wish of those people liking eachother?
For the same reason Christians get violently offended if someone eats fish on a Friday, or works on the Sabbath, of course.
Because it's in the bible.
It's quite odd that many of the well established dogmas in the catholic church are not in the bible at all, and that the rest is usually establishes in some way from a number of occurrences, often times contradictory.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.11.03 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Religious people are also hypocrytical. They shun atheists and agnostics, while being that to a large degree themselves. I mean, atheists just add one more deity to the list they DON'T believe in
Haha, that's a good one . I'm stealing it for future use.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.03 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/11/2008 11:23:52
Originally by: Akita T
I mean, atheists just add one more deity to the list they DON'T believe in
Ha made me laugh
Originally by: Akita T
Religious organisations should not be tax-exempt, quite the contrary, they should be subjected to the HIGHEST possible tax brackets. [/rant]
I thought about this topic two mornings ago over my first cup of coffee. In the states churches are tax exempt and are required to not preach about politics within the confines of the church to maintain this status.
In the days of old, churches were given the tax-free status to add an extra level of protection for churches from the federal government, as it had to do with protecting the nations principle of freedom of religion. As it stands today not a single currently accepted religion will ever loose status. Due to their moral stance they are able to circumvent the ruling of not preaching religion when the laws are based on their religious beliefs. Considering how many individuals in the Christian right flaunt their superiority due to their religion and say that laws should be based solely on their books teachings it is well apparent that they no longer believe in a separation of church and state and churches should no longer be tax exempt.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Flash Bombardo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.03 11:49:00 -
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What God?
Religion is a medieval fantasy/myth system from when people didn't understand the world. It'll go away eventually now we are in the age of reason. Anything built off the back of such a weak system of thought is intrisically invalid if you ask me.
I'm an atheist and I genuinely feel that religion is the enemy of rational thought.
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