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Nagsir Inaste
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Posted - 2008.11.03 17:34:00 -
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Can anyone please enlighten me when and for what these ships are useful, compared to
1) cheaper: t1 ships with similar attributes (but good enough if you gonna loose it)
2) more expensive: recon ships (but has either stealth or can dish out some dps)
I don't see how these ships fill a gap .... I mean, if you wanna go cheap you might as well just use the t1 versions; if you wanna maximize your effectiveness at your role (irrespective of costs) then you might as well fly a Recon ship.
Any thoughts? Or have people even forgotten these ships even exist ...
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 17:39:00 -
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Faster than the recons, and less expensive.
Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.11.03 17:41:00 -
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only caldari have a somewhat usefull t1 version.. yes griffins are good! galliente have the dampning one but even the t2 version is useless because of useless damps amarr has some t1 version of the tracking distrupting one but its kinda crap since it can neut and drone stuff minmitar have... wait do it.. the targetpainter!!!! whoohooo so awsome the vigil is! roflecopter --------
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.03 17:42:00 -
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My kitsune dies horribly in very fun and amusing ways. It also has a higher jam strength than a scorpion or griffon. And goes way faster. I just find they're more fun, less useful.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.03 17:42:00 -
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T1 Ewar frigs don't measure up to EAS's in terms of stats, but since they're cheaper by a factor of about a hundred they're a lot more cost effective. I'd have thought the price of EASs would have fallen down into Assault Ship range by this point due to the fact that they're cheaper and require fewer skills to build than AF's, but thus far I've been wrong and they seem to have leveled out around a 15 mil average at least. This suggests that there's actually a surprising demand for them.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.11.03 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 03/11/2008 17:49:29 also, don't forget that with the upcoming speed changes those ships become even better considering their potential speed. They all have fairly high base speeds too. At a speed of around a kilometer per second with an AB with a tiny sig-radius and fairly long range on their e-war (except the Sentinel's neuts that is) they can be a serious annoyance.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.11.03 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 03/11/2008 17:49:29 also, don't forget that with the upcoming speed changes those ships become even better considering their potential speed. They all have fairly high base speeds too. At a speed of around a kilometer per second with an AB with a tiny sig-radius and fairly long range on their e-war (except the Sentinel's neuts that is) they can be a serious annoyance.
For everything except the hyena, the ship with a MWD bonus.
With that MWD fitted forget living very long, they nerfed the hell out of it's speed.
A ship that did rock, now will just die horribly.
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Holy Lowlander
Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.03 18:28:00 -
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What I wonder about is the combination of AF's EAF's and inty's after the nano nerf....
3x sentinal + 2 x kitsune + 5 x AF + 2x INTY. Thats deadly. They can travel(read:make jumps) faster as current nano gangs , they are small so hard to hit and they can dish out an overwhelming amount of e-war against solo-small gangs and they have the dps to kill them.....
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Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.03 18:32:00 -
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a twelve man gang taking on solo/small gangs!! extraordinary! "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up" |
Ruciza
Minmatar The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.11.03 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ruciza on 03/11/2008 18:34:43 More medslots make them more efficient than t1 frigs.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.11.03 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander What I wonder about is the combination of AF's EAF's and inty's after the nano nerf....
3x sentinal + 2 x kitsune + 5 x AF + 2x INTY. Thats deadly. They can travel(read:make jumps) faster as current nano gangs , they are small so hard to hit and they can dish out an overwhelming amount of e-war against solo-small gangs and they have the dps to kill them.....
2 kitsunes, 1 ceptor, 1 sentinal, and 3 AF's is more realistic chief.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vanthropy a twelve man gang taking on solo/small gangs!! extraordinary!
Impossible!
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Murina
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.03 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander What I wonder about is the combination of AF's EAF's and inty's after the nano nerf....
3x sentinal + 2 x kitsune + 5 x AF + 2x INTY. Thats deadly. They can travel(read:make jumps) faster as current nano gangs , they are small so hard to hit and they can dish out an overwhelming amount of e-war against solo-small gangs and they have the dps to kill them.....
We did this on the test server and 6 of us all with high skills in frigs got owned by a few BC.....
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.11.03 21:07:00 -
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Well if u like going on fast roaming gangs in inties and t1 frigs ull find it anoying coming up against a very well tanked drake or a couple of rapiers. Even with 5 or 6 of unless u have some af or sabre with u. What EW frigs let u do is take on much harder odds where nomally u would have no deffence> ability to break a good tank.
Kitsue > the most powerful of all. Just having one of these in ur little roaming gang will help allot. They are also the weekest frigget. Not able to move fast or tank. I dont like jamming but when a solo large gun can wreck u in one shot its a little fairer. It can also be flown to kill loan inites if done right.
hyena > the perfect ship to tackle anything but sniper hacks. U get a bonus like an inty to sig radiuse and its fast. U can easliy see speeds of 7kps and at lev5 u do notice that its only eagles and things that can hit u. The webbing range is great for sitting in the midle of a gate camp with no mwd but sensor booster and more webs. In small gangs u will be abble pin a well set up rax down withought all ur close range inties being waxed. U can most definalty solo inties in this but ull need to watch when u use cap to scram since the dps is not great.
as for the sential though I cant fly one, u can tank and kill inties with it if u fly well, but add a couple to a roaming gang and u can break though allot more tanks. Very useful if gang does not run hi dps.
the gallent thing > well half the inties can do a better job of tackling but if u mix in the damps with the kitsue it helps abit. Its the only ship I fail to find an inty killing setup with so I dint enjoy it much outside of gang.
Better to go T1 verssions,,, not really, but thats all about isk, I like to spend more on a crow then I do a bs. U can make an EW frig like a hyena be good for 20 mill, (aux rigs) but mix gista b 29 mill + 80 for 2 polly and it becomes a much more deviouse tool. The kitsue ... u dont need to worry about isk setting it up right, Its either , not be hit or cloaning vat, if ur not being hit its the most powerfull frig in the game within a gang.
For ur a really good little gang >
3 of ur finest scoute inties for tackle speed. 5 either close range ranis or long range afs (with tracking disrupters and ab on af (ull do better v guns then mwd and ur ities will set u in sniper spot). 1 kituse ( u can run more but its just boaring) 2 Sential For 0.0 add sabre./
thants all I have to say about that, other than thank U CCP, the lag feels allot better!
sry 4 the spilling pistakes.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.03 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
We did this on the test server and 6 of us all with high skills in frigs got owned by a few BC.....
More details please
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2008.11.03 21:17:00 -
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So is my sentnal geting shafted becuse of the patch to fix nano's ??or will i still be able to avoid dammage with speed....
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.03 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Po3tank So is my sentnal geting shafted becuse of the patch to fix nano's ??or will i still be able to avoid dammage with speed....
From what people are saying you can happily kite large turrets all day with an AB and Hvy Missiles and HAM's are tankable. Take that with a pinch of salt as it isn't firsthand
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2008.11.03 21:25:00 -
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so say i put a MWD on my sentnal and explode my sig radius.... will everything kill me or will i be able to "kite more stuff"
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.11.04 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Po3tank so say i put a MWD on my sentnal and explode my sig radius.... will everything kill me or will i be able to "kite more stuff"
speed won't matter as much, your sig-radius will matter much more so yes you'll be at a much bigger risk than before.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2008.11.04 12:15:00 -
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The hyena needs its bonuses changed in some way, shape, or form. It has the same original sig radius reduction bonus that interceptors had. While the inty bonus changed, the hyena's did not. Also, with web's down to 60% strength, many ships can glide to within scramble range and shut down the hyena's MWD anyways. It needs a looking at.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.04 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Po3tank so say i put a MWD on my sentnal and explode my sig radius.... will everything kill me or will i be able to "kite more stuff"
Everything with drones will kill you, yes.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.04 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Po3tank So is my sentnal geting shafted becuse of the patch to fix nano's ??or will i still be able to avoid dammage with speed....
As a rough guide to the proposed changes, you will be able to mitigate damage with speed/low sig radius, but not avoid it completely. Depending on what your setup was like, a shield buffer tank might be enough to absorb the DPS that does come in until the target is dead - or you may need to put a SAR in the lows and pulse as required. Branco's right that anything with light drones (and especially neuts) will almost certainly tear you a new one. Medium drones will be a lot less effective and you should be able to pop them with your own drones before they destroy you.
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