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kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.11.04 20:36:00 -
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Getting ready to hop onto sisi to give af's and ceptors a twirl with the new patch, thought we could get a little discussion up on some of the new nber tactics and fittings.
My first thought is Halo sets and gistii a-type ab's.
As I haven't tested I can't really offer much myself yet but, whos given what a test and how did it pan out?
PS. Take the whining somewhere else, this thread is for those of us who prefer winning. |
Nexus Kinnon
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.11.04 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 04/11/2008 20:49:23 the nano nerf is the end of eve as we know it, I don't know why you're even considering playing after the patch! I'm cancelling all my accounts and I encourage everyone else to do the same!! CCP hates small gang warfare!!
EDIT for content my guess is that plated close range scrambler 'ceptors and (tanked?) AFs will be the FoTM for a while. |
VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.11.04 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
EDIT for content my guess is that plated close range scrambler 'ceptors and (tanked?) AFs will be the FoTM for a while.
My guess is that speed/sig radius tanks will be superior to plated setups on small ships. |
Mortuus
Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.04 21:22:00 -
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Plated ceptors with Halo implants and tanked AFs with Halo implants should be nice.
I will probably still use a MWD (to close range), without a MWD and with a web on them very few things will outrun my frigate even if I am webbed. Occassus Republica <3 |
Leon vanUber
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Posted - 2008.11.04 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Leon vanUber on 04/11/2008 21:28:56 Edited by: Leon vanUber on 04/11/2008 21:28:28
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 04/11/2008 20:49:23 my guess is that plated close range scrambler 'ceptors will be the FoTM for a while.
warp scram instead of web on your taranis and youre ready to go. now you just have 10.8 instead of 13km to catch someone. at least thats what im gonna be rollin after the patch. |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.05 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 05/11/2008 02:25:17
Originally by: kublai
My first thought is Halo sets and gistii a-type ab's.
Well I'd say that is as dangerous and expensive as faction fitting your inty pre patch. Sure when you're alone against some poor soul in a belt it will be great but then someday that nasty sniper hac will show up on your overview and you aren't fast enough to press warp and he will obliterate several hundred millions in seconds. Not worth it imo :-p ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.11.05 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Plated ceptors with Halo implants and tanked AFs with Halo implants should be nice.
I will probably still use a MWD (to close range), without a MWD and with a web on them very few things will outrun my frigate even if I am webbed.
With the MWD sig penalty reduction, plus a halo set, plus nanofibers in the lows....
I think you would get much better results then the other option...
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Mortuus
Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.05 05:11:00 -
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Until you get neuted and have drones on you. Occassus Republica <3 |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Until you get neuted and have drones on you.
Depends. I have propulsion jamming V and Fuel Conservation III. I need all of 1.9 cap a second to run my scrambler and AB. AB tends to have a decently long duration. I can even squeeze the occasional cycle in on my repper. And guns can't track me even webbed as long as I'm not an idiot and don't manually orbit.
Drones? These will kill me based on a few things. Drone skill is one. Low speed? I can track them. Low durability? I can kill them fast. Low dmg modifiers? That gives me more time to shoot at them. I've met pilots that I've died horribly to with barely scratching the paint on their warrior IIs. Others I shoot out the drones methodically and quickly and then go back to shooting the target ship. Nuets + drone boat = certain death. Anything else? Luck and skills.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
My first thought is Halo sets and gistii a-type ab's.
As I haven't tested I can't really offer much myself yet but, whos given what a test and how did it pan out?
Halo reduced my wolf's signature from 33 to 28. This is with all halo standard. Halo Omega I couldn't fit. It made a marked difference in how hard it was for things to hit me. Faction AB just reduce the cap required. They don't speed you up any more. Probably not worthwhile considering how little cap the normal AB take up.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:31:00 -
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All nano + AB, that should probably do wonders. Weapons are a bit misty though.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:51:00 -
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Crusader scrambler pulse
That's what I'm thinking.
Also I'm thinking of comedy 10mn ABing retribution of dooooooom. 1500m/s, 35 sig, over 100 dps at 13km, perma run everything......just can't tackle worth a **** --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Burn Mac
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:55:00 -
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This:
Quote: PS. Take the whining somewhere else, this thread is for those of us who prefer winning.
Then in the first reply:
Quote: The nano nerf is the end of eve as we know it
The might nerf the game but they can never nerf the whineage
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:44:00 -
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Does anyone know the relative speeds for a crow or ranis with full skills but no snakes.
Eat Them all, let the digestion sort em out |
BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.05 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
EDIT for content my guess is that plated close range scrambler 'ceptors and (tanked?) AFs will be the FoTM for a while.
My guess is that speed/sig radius tanks will be superior to plated setups on small ships.
Yeah sig radius is massive atm. (off topic) It kinda sucks for the nighthawk, u get hit for a lot of damage, but on any other ship u try to stay clear of mods like LSE and rigs wich boost sig radius. AB's are also a bit better all around then mwd (not sure for frigs). EVE history
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.05 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger Does anyone know the relative speeds for a crow or ranis with full skills but no snakes.
My crow didnt have full skills, but typical ceptor skills (lev. 4 support skills etc). In the lows i used 2 nano and i od, no rigs, went about 4.8kms Sounds bad but not much hurts you :) EVE history
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger Does anyone know the relative speeds for a crow or ranis with full skills but no snakes.
I tried a Taranis with hirdwirings and I hit 4k.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.05 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer All nano + AB, that should probably do wonders. Weapons are a bit misty though.
On a ceptor you're probably better off with a MWD unless your going close range as they now have 15%/level reduction in MWD sig penalty on sisi instead of their old sig radius reduction. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 10:14:01
Originally by: BiggestT AB's are also a bit better all around then mwd (not sure for frigs).
I'd say AB for frigs (not interceptors though, just AFs/frigates) and MWD for everything larger. You do see plenty of AB lolfits on SISI, but I honestly doubt we'll see that on TQ.
It takes about 50 seconds to get to a target 10km away in a webbed AB-ing cruiser, which just doesn't work. Range control/etc can be only done via MWD, until you get in webrange (and scrambled).
Ships which have a pressing need to be in webrange need MWD, and ships which have a pressing need to be out of webrange need MWD too, so don't see MWDs being any less mandatory there. Naturally, fitting for both reliable range control in webrange + being able to get to webrange (and scram-range now) is not really possible.
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf
Drones? These will kill me based on a few things. Drone skill is one. Low speed? I can track them. Low durability? I can kill them fast. Low dmg modifiers? That gives me more time to shoot at them. I've met pilots that I've died horribly to with barely scratching the paint on their warrior IIs. Others I shoot out the drones methodically and quickly and then go back to shooting the target ship. Nuets + drone boat = certain death. Anything else? Luck and skills.
And dual medium neuts disable AFs very efficently, as we've found
Originally by: kublai Getting ready to hop onto sisi to give af's and ceptors a twirl with the new patch, thought we could get a little discussion up on some of the new nber tactics and fittings.
My first thought is Halo sets and gistii a-type ab's.
As I haven't tested I can't really offer much myself yet but, whos given what a test and how did it pan out?
PS. Take the whining somewhere else, this thread is for those of us who prefer winning.
Halo set is correct.
Ceptors should be fitting a MWD, they get a much better speedtank that way with the new sig reduction when using MWD. Way better then AB interceptor in fact.
AFs are good with a AB up close, but you'd want to fit at least one nos. Even light neuting is far too deadly otherwise.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2008.11.05 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT Yeah sig radius is massive atm. (off topic) It kinda sucks for the nighthawk, u get hit for a lot of damage, but on any other ship u try to stay clear of mods like LSE and rigs wich boost sig radius...
Any idea how bad the effect from bigger sig radius of shield buffers will be in practice? Will it be a major drawback after the changes or is it more or less "negligible" for a BC or CS or HAC for instance?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus
Originally by: BiggestT Yeah sig radius is massive atm. (off topic) It kinda sucks for the nighthawk, u get hit for a lot of damage, but on any other ship u try to stay clear of mods like LSE and rigs wich boost sig radius...
Any idea how bad the effect from bigger sig radius of shield buffers will be in practice? Will it be a major drawback after the changes or is it more or less "negligible" for a BC or CS or HAC for instance?
Rather negligible for BC/CS/HACs unless you try to solo battleships (lol).
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.05 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Denuo Secus
Originally by: BiggestT Yeah sig radius is massive atm. (off topic) It kinda sucks for the nighthawk, u get hit for a lot of damage, but on any other ship u try to stay clear of mods like LSE and rigs wich boost sig radius...
Any idea how bad the effect from bigger sig radius of shield buffers will be in practice? Will it be a major drawback after the changes or is it more or less "negligible" for a BC or CS or HAC for instance?
Rather negligible for BC/CS/HACs unless you try to solo battleships (lol).
Flying a nighthawk with 2 LSE and 2 extender rigs. BS's pwn you (when in range), while cruisers etc hit for probably a little more damage than before though its not too different.
While its not a big deal, im a little sad that nh is not really as good as before on tq (if it even was good lol) EVE history
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.11.05 10:37:00 -
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If we are looking at speeds of 4 to 7 kps for inties I put 50 mil down the rails ranis will be the most powerful inty again, atm a cheeply rigged ranis can still waitse a fully faction (including domi webber) crow with a bit of manouvering. Blasters and 9 kps + overheat = u will losse in 80 percent of casse.
When ur reduced to much slower closing speeds the time it takes to get into web range become much more personal. The Std crow will have more chance to hit its target.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.11.05 11:37:00 -
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also remember that even when you can only hit 4-7k others are even slower. So don't go all bonkers when your speed is only half
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer also remember that even when you can only hit 4-7k others are even slower. So don't go all bonkers when your speed is only half
Also: You can now warp to 80km max. Lock range cap has been reduced to 150km. Weapon ranges/EW ranges have been cut by a third. Gates spew you 10km out instead of 15.
So 4-6k is the same like 8+k before.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.05 11:41:00 -
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Merin, where art thou Merin?
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.11.05 13:26:00 -
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I used the following fit with a harpy on SISI the other day with gobsmacking success:-
4 x Light Ion Blaster II's
1 x 1MN Afterburner II 1 x Stasis Webifier II 1 x Warp Scrambler II 1 x Medium Shield Extender II
1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 x Power Diagnostic Unit II
2 x Anti-EM Shield Reinforcer Rigs
Approach targets inty style with your wiggle on to avoid getting too nailed on approach.
I was amazed to see this ship nail a hurricane, hyperion and deimos by doing nothing more fancy than orbiting at 1500m. Awesome!!! __________________________________________
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 13:30:18
Originally by: The Tzar I used the following fit with a harpy on SISI the other day with gobsmacking success:-
4 x Light Ion Blaster II's
1 x 1MN Afterburner II 1 x Stasis Webifier II 1 x Warp Scrambler II 1 x Medium Shield Extender II
1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 x Power Diagnostic Unit II
2 x Anti-EM Shield Reinforcer Rigs
Approach targets inty style with your wiggle on to avoid getting too nailed on approach.
Hey, I was planning on using that fit when I trained caldari frig V + AWU V (so I can go DC/MFS in lows), bastard
Originally by: The Tzar
I was amazed to see this ship nail a hurricane
I'm amazed at any Hurricane pilot not fitting dual medium neutralizers post patch, it's sortof suicidal not to do so.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2008.11.05 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
I'm amazed at any Hurricane pilot not fitting dual medium neutralizers post patch, it's sortof suicidal not to do so.
Shhhh!!!
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 13:46:16
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf
Originally by: Cpt Branko
I'm amazed at any Hurricane pilot not fitting dual medium neutralizers post patch, it's sortof suicidal not to do so.
Shhhh!!!
On a funnier note, I had a neat idea of making a MBL II armed Myrmidon instead of the ordinary D180mm AC II fit. You only lose a touch of DPS but can actually hit even ceptors with the guns, much less other frigs, plus you get way longer optimal then D180s
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