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RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Artemis Rose Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? Could it be better tracking vs' the AF swarms he expects?
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 12:01:31 Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Artemis Rose Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? Could it be better tracking vs' the AF swarms he expects? No, don't be silly. 1600mm RT + MAR + MWD do take a fair bit of PG, as far as I recall the fit only has 40-50 spare PG. Tracking isn't binary anyway, if hit chance is 0%, 15% more tracking won't make it hit reliably. You could fit MBL IIs, at a very small DPS drop from D180s, if you wanted to swat frigs / ceptors / AFs. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:22:00 - [33] I find it to be a bit early to be looking for new BC or new setup for existing ones, as "the new black" has not been defined just yet. Whatever that might be, any of Tier 2 BCs can take that out, if fit correctly of course. Alas, one would be fitting to be most effective vs targets one expects to run into, or ones that are the hardest, etc. It'll take some time for the new fotm to emerge, hence I'll be flying most universal setup; once fotm is defined.. well, duh, obvious adjustments will be made. I'd go with Myrm for smaller targets, and Harb or Cane for targets of my size and bigger. Drake.. well, duh, it's such a pile of crap that nearly makes me fall asleep while piloting it, so I'd let it stick where sun doesn't shine
General Sadistis Minmatar Isk Fiends	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:36:00 - [34] personally i have a passive shield tanked myrm with a warp scrammer frigs will get away but wont be able to kill u anyhing else is assbait (has been known to tank 3 abaddons) if ya wanna know thefit msg me in game .: Brits Have No Sence Of Humor :.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO lol ... Chimii's right, actually ...
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO You say that you're using a remote repper... Better resists = more rep =) ---------- /Pretty Posting.
Elhina Novae Sky's Edge	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Gneeznow Harb! What fit? Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Barton Reactor Capacitor Recharger I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 720 dps and I have my alt follow me around in an oneiros, vulnerable to neuts tho, however last time I used this harb with oneiros alt I ploughed through like a 5 man gang of passive drakes was pretty awesome Amarr Navy Multifrequency crystals is more or less equal in damage to Conflaguration except you won't get all the fun tracking issues :o ------------ Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem? Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:09:00 - [38] For a harb I too would go for the 800 + EANM and the small cap injector with 200s.. and fit a large offlined smartbomb somewhere in there, for that overheating jummyness. Tbh you might still go for an artycane with mwd and try to get as far away from battle as you can, just won't work if you get scrambled.. Then again, ecm drones + maybe some t2 assault launchers should take a tackler out of scramble range anough to maybe get tracking up. Drakes will still be good, myrm if you're not pirating in sentry range. Brutix, Cyclone, Prophecy, Ferox are kinda out of the picture. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Keitaro Baka Tbh you might still go for an artycane with mwd and try to get as far away from battle as you can, just won't work if you get scrambled.. Then again, ecm drones + maybe some t2 assault launchers should take a tackler out of scramble range anough to maybe get tracking up. Works in gangs, but I would never fly a artycane solo tbh. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Cpt Branko Works in gangs, but I would never fly a artycane solo tbh. Solo I wouldn't recommend the harb either, myrmidon and drake are pretty decent solo-ers. To tank a Harb you need to tone down it's Gank a lot, ACcane probably pulls it off better at <10 km. Harb is ok now as a solo-er btw, because a plated harb can win versus a nano boat with scorch pulse, but after the patch I expect a lot more tanking ishtars and such, no way you can beat those with a buffer harb :/ All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Daergaar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, I figure that even with a 4-5 fold damage reduction to AFs, that's still 100+ DPS dealt - combine with 100 DPS from Hobgoblin IIs or with Warrior IIs and you're downing AFs fast. In a AF I have found little problems tanking the average mission fit Drakes on TQ, but they're mostly HML fits without BCUs, or one at most, etc. [/quote Are you able to kill mission fit Drakes in your AF though? Some of them require ridiculous levels of DPS to break that tank. If you both have each other scrammed, wouldn't that result in somewhat of a "stalemate"?
Nuramori	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Gypsio III Personally, I've got no idea what combination of MWD, AB, disruptor and scrambler my HAM Drake will use. Hey, I've got six midslots, so I can fit all of them, and a web and a painter as well! Can you explain to this newb what a "HAM" drake is?
kelisin	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:19:00 - [43] Myrm is a great BC to fly its easy to fit and is cheap. I mean honestly if your *****ing about the price of drones then you should reconsider going back to flying frigs.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Nuramori Originally by: Gypsio III Personally, I've got no idea what combination of MWD, AB, disruptor and scrambler my HAM Drake will use. Hey, I've got six midslots, so I can fit all of them, and a web and a painter as well! Can you explain to this newb what a "HAM" drake is? 7x Heavy Assault missile launcher (II) + faction HAMs (no more javs after patch) mwd, point, passive shield stuff BCUs damage control, maybe istab spewing missiles at near constant rate mwd-ing to keep a point. Basically. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Elhina Novae Amarr Navy Multifrequency crystals is more or less equal in damage to Conflaguration except you won't get all the fun tracking issues :o Yea but its like way too expensive so I use conflag to be super renegade Originally by: Chimii Lecto Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO You say that you're using a remote repper... Better resists = more rep =) sry nop I like my fit as it is
DubanFP Caldari Evil ALT Corp	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:37:00 - [46] Many people can't decide what to do with the 4th midslot anyways. Since you think a scram is nessissary try fitting both a scram and a disruptor. Best of both worlds. Personally though i'm going to go with disrupter plus 2x webs though. _______________ "White, Black, Minmitar, Achura, Male or Female it doesn't matter to me. I'm an equal opportunity killer"
kelisin	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Elhina Novae Amarr Navy Multifrequency crystals is more or less equal in damage to Conflaguration except you won't get all the fun tracking issues :o Yea but its like way too expensive so I use conflag to be super renegade Originally by: Chimii Lecto Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO You say that you're using a remote repper... Better resists = more rep =) sry nop I like my fit as it is Lets not start that i dont think my eyes can handle it.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:51:00 - [48] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 05/11/2008 17:51:10 Originally by: Keitaro Baka Harb is ok now as a solo-er btw, because a plated harb can win versus a nano boat with scorch pulse, but after the patch I expect a lot more tanking ishtars and such, no way you can beat those with a buffer harb :/ Tanking plategank Harb's DPS is beyond the realm of possibility for dual-rep ishtar, frankly. Unless you're thinking of deadspace tank mods, but those aren't all that common to worry about. Ofcourse, if you run into something like fully tanked Sac with overloaded reps and exile.. well, yeah, you're in trouble. But it won't ever be common either :P
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.11.05 18:00:00 - [49] This is my current favourite Harb fit that I use in gangs. I wouldn't expect to win vs a Myrm or drake though :/ [Harbinger, Full Gank] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II ECCM - Radar II (change to taste) ECCM - Radar II (change to taste) Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Large EM smartbomb, offline Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa II x5
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 19:16:00 - [50] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 19:17:48 Originally by: DubanFP Many people can't decide what to do with the 4th midslot anyways. Since you think a scram is nessissary try fitting both a scram and a disruptor. Best of both worlds. Personally though i'm going to go with disrupter plus 2x webs though. ECCM is a no-brainer and greatly enhances any fit tbh. Originally by: Daergaar Are you able to kill mission fit Drakes in your AF though? Some of them require ridiculous levels of DPS to break that tank. If you both have each other scrammed, wouldn't that result in somewhat of a "stalemate"? I have menaged to punch through a few with a gank fit Wolf + RF EMP S. Held some tackled for 20 minutes until I could get people to support me a few times too Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Tuncan Minmatar Arbitrary Freedom	Posted - 2008.11.05 20:51:00 - [51] For hurricane; Im thinking about getting an AB instead of a MWD after patch. Low sig radius and scram are the reasons. Since webs suck, i think tracking distrupter is not so efficient thing cuz big ships won't be able to slow you down so bad i guess. 2 neuts is a must,if ure not in a gang. t2 220mm's as always. The thing is, If you don't have a cap booster in meds, a BS will instantly drain you and youre out of your meds and your resistances if youre using EANM's. So for med slot i would prefer a cap booster. 2xEANM2 2xgyro2 1600 tung dcu2 and i prefer dmg drones,cuz everyone fits an eccm =)
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Gneeznow sry nop I like my fit as it is Allright, just saying that Chimii's setup got a bit more EHP, a bit more agility, a bit more cap/s, got some neutraliser defense .... but with the downside of having a 'clickable' and limited supply of cap.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:38:00 - [53] I wonder about those last 2 slots. When you do 2 neuts you want a cap booster probably in one of your mid slots. And against for example a harbinger i wonder if neuts will get him dry in time, or that i should just stick with hams and kill him before he kills me. With hams i dont need that cap booster. And it has the added advantage that i can kill bait before his backup arrives from system next door. I guess warrior drones will be sufficient against most AFs, but neuts would be handy.
Myra2007 Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:11:00 - [54] I'll go with plated cane + dual webs i think. Scrambler is nice but i think a dual web will keep mwd'ers in check (add to that my neuts) and provide more benefit against small ab targets than a scrambler would. Ofc i have to drop the injector. I've done this before but only in gangs. Getting yourself neuted so you can't mwd is a big downside. But i think its the best of the given options.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:18:00 - [55] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 21:22:51 Originally by: Furb Killer I wonder about those last 2 slots. When you do 2 neuts you want a cap booster probably in one of your mid slots. And against for example a harbinger i wonder if neuts will get him dry in time, or that i should just stick with hams and kill him before he kills me. With hams i dont need that cap booster. And it has the added advantage that i can kill bait before his backup arrives from system next door. I guess warrior drones will be sufficient against most AFs, but neuts would be handy. You can't kill a competently flown AF with unbonused Warrior IIs before they die + some AFs can permatank Warrior IIs anyway. Therefore, you're left totally defenceless without neuts. Funniest thing is, dual webs don't work either unless you have at least one neut to shut off MWD. So meh. Vs a Harbringer you're just going to have to rely on Hail M melting him before you die - which is where dual webs fail because he'll slowly MWD out of your range if he's using a scrambler/web/MWD. Of course, if hes not cap boosting you'll just suck him dry and he's dead. You don't need a cap booster to run dual neuts for long enough, they'll last for 2 minutes (say, 1-1.5 minute in unfavourable engagements where you had to MWD for a bit / etc) by which time your target is either dead or going to die extremely fast. Originally by: Tuncan For hurricane; Im thinking about getting an AB instead of a MWD after patch. Low sig radius and scram are the reasons. Since webs suck, i think tracking distrupter is not so efficient thing cuz big ships won't be able to slow you down so bad i guess. 2 neuts is a must,if ure not in a gang. AB fit + scram means you're tackling ** if you do not land within 10.8km, your mobility is completely dead - meaning you're certain to die in the first camp even if it's only 3 slow battleships around, plus you're completely unable to approach quickly to targets which outdamage you at range (Harbringer/Drake/etc). I mean, yeah, you'll approach in 40s, but that means you'll just die. If you land within 24km of a MWD + disruptor ship with range, you die. Etc AB setup is a lolsetup for SISI for trying to take on solo BS close-range tbh. I just encountered one of those on SISI, they're quite easy to kill. Might work on a Harbringer because it's got actual optimal range and stuff Originally by:** Myra2007 I'll go with plated cane + dual webs i think. Scrambler is nice but i think a dual web will keep mwd'ers in check (add to that my neuts) and provide more benefit against small ab targets than a scrambler would. Ofc i have to drop the injector. I've done this before but only in gangs. Getting yourself neuted so you can't mwd is a big downside. But i think its the best of the given options. Well, getting neuted by bigger ships does hurt a slight bit but not that much since you now have a bit more cap, and you're not going to go solo vs a Dominix or something which could potentially nuke most of your cap in one volley. In gangs, artycane > AC Hurricane anyway, unless it's a very small gang. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:23:00 - [56] Edited by: Gneeznow on 06/11/2008 21:23:29 Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Furb Killer I wonder about those last 2 slots. When you do 2 neuts you want a cap booster probably in one of your mid slots. And against for example a harbinger i wonder if neuts will get him dry in time, or that i should just stick with hams and kill him before he kills me. With hams i dont need that cap booster. And it has the added advantage that i can kill bait before his backup arrives from system next door. I guess warrior drones will be sufficient against most AFs, but neuts would be handy. You can't kill a competently flown AF with unbonused Warrior IIs before they die + some AFs can permatank Warrior IIs anyway. Therefore, you're left totally defenceless without neuts. Funniest thing is, dual webs don't work either unless you have at least one neut to shut off MWD. So meh. Vs a Harbringer you're just going to have to rely on Hail M melting him before you die - which is where dual webs fail because he'll slowly MWD out of your range if he's using a scrambler/web/MWD. Of course, if hes not cap boosting you'll just suck him dry and he's dead. You don't need a cap booster to run dual neuts for long enough, they'll last for 2 minutes (say, 1-1.5 minute in unfavourable engagements where you had to MWD for a bit / etc) by which time your target is either dead or going to die extremely fast. Originally by: Tuncan For hurricane; Im thinking about getting an AB instead of a MWD after patch. Low sig radius and scram are the reasons. Since webs suck, i think tracking distrupter is not so efficient thing cuz big ships won't be able to slow you down so bad i guess. 2 neuts is a must,if ure not in a gang. AB fit + scram means you're tackling **** if you do not land within 10.8km, your mobility is completely dead - meaning you're certain to die in the first camp even if it's only 3 slow battleships around, plus you're completely unable to approach quickly to targets which outdamage you at range (Harbringer/Drake/etc). I mean, yeah, you'll approach in 40s, but that means you'll just die. If you land within 24km of a MWD + disruptor ship with range, you die. Etc AB setup is a lolsetup for SISI for trying to take on solo BS close-range tbh. you make some valid points here well said
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.06 22:51:00 - [57] Edited by: The Djego on 06/11/2008 22:51:40 Well Blaster Brutix hands down, since it got 7 of the best tracking Guns out there. Think Myrmidon can do quite well, since BCs becomming the new ship of choice, even rigging might be a good choice now. Funny thing I only used the ship twice so far, and never actualy pvped with it. Gess I will start flying my 3 Ishtars again a lot more since they where preaty decend on Sissi. 2 Webs and Disruptor would be my choice, since you can carry light Drones vs Frigs. Since the Myrmidon can pack a full wing Damage Drones, Light ECMs and Lights vs Frigs it might be the Ship with the best selection of possible targets. Also vs another BC I would switch the Web to a Tracking Disruptor, works quite good on the Ishtar as far as I tested. Gneez my eyes, they hurt now. I hate you. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.06 23:04:00 - [58] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Meridius Dex Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.11.06 23:26:00 - [59] Although I've been flying the Harb almost exclusively for some time, I've always loved the Myrmidon and just wish I could find a good fit that appeals to me. The problem I always run into is that every good Mrym fit cries out for armor rep rigs and I really don't like rigging T1 BCs. -- Meridius Dex -- Awesomeness: "When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story."
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.06 23:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:29:18 Originally by: Meridius Dex Although I've been flying the Harb almost exclusively for some time, I've always loved the Myrmidon and just wish I could find a good fit that appeals to me. The problem I always run into is that every good Mrym fit cries out for armor rep rigs and I really don't like rigging T1 BCs. Oh, I don't mind rigging it - just rep rigs are silly, 18M per rig gets you 54M in rigs alone... at any rate, I don't believe the Myrmidon needs armour rigging to be honest, and I really dislike the speed of the armour-rigged Myrmidon; it should translate to some 800m/s post patch which is a bit low. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

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