Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.11.05 18:41:00 -
[31]
I was gonna quote all the stupid in this thread, but it turns out it makes my post too long...
Seriously, looks like half of you read "local nerf" and went off with out even reading anything further.
The simple fact is, the guy said simply that ONLY 0.0 would have local delayed (nothing to do with pirates or lowsec), and that ANY change to local would go HAND IN HAND WITH A SCANNER CHANGE.
I know, caps is cruise for cool and all, but I made it big so all the fail in this thread might have a chance to see it. Its a long shot, since most of the posters will read the op, then post their line of inane gibberish before moving to a new thread, but hey, I had to try.
|
Cloue
Gallente Stripping Agency
|
Posted - 2008.11.05 18:58:00 -
[32]
Think of all the raven farmers that cloak when anyone enters local, oh wont someone think of the farmers ---------------------------------------------- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Gallente Stripping Agency. |
Jalif
Scorpion's Sting
|
Posted - 2008.11.05 19:45:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 12:03:39
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
I see it as a nerf to fun.
Me too. And as I pirate, I should be happy in theory. Somehow, I'm not..
Same Feeling here ^^
|
Dr Caligo
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 00:37:00 -
[34]
Originally by: DasDizzy I think most of you guys are forgetting that without local, piracy will be nerfed even further.
Hooray for warping to each belt to check for hostiles.
Surely you aren't still low sec pirating in belts...
|
David Corbett
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 05:06:00 -
[35]
I'm not too sure what I think about it. It opens up lots of great opportunities for PVP in terms of fantastic ambushes and the ability to sneak up on people in the belts, but I can't help but wnoder whether anyone will be left there or whether they'll all just go back to highsec or run level 4 missions instead. I rat myself from time to time and it would be terrible to have to align to warpout every time I saw anything on the scanner, as at present it has no facility for differentiating friend or foe. I don't want to see it get that functionality, either, as I don't think any more information is required from the scanner. It would also be very annoying to mash. I can't run level 4 missions without heading back to highsec, and that's not something I want to do. (No pirate agent will speak to me, as I've killed too many of his buddies/wrecked too many of his static complexes back in the day.)
At the same time roaming would be a pain except for systems where you know there are almost always enemies - like great ratting systems, outposts, etc. So a lone farmer out in the middle of nowhere with some dominix would be almost impossible to find without systemtically scanning down every system you pass through. I guess he'd show up on pilots in space. At the same time I wonder whether roaming gangs would be as willing to fly around if they had the risk of flying straight into a blob in another system, but then again, that's what scouts are for.
As usual it seems like it'll be an adapt or perish situation. I look forward to CCP making up their minds one way or another so I can best figure out how to turn it to my advantage. ---
|
Molly Mayhem
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 05:06:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Molly Mayhem on 06/11/2008 05:06:20
Originally by: Conscious Edited by: Conscious on 05/11/2008 05:46:03 If you can have local appear to be empty, when it isn't, how is that not a boost to ambushes? Especially to those who happen to be ratting or mining.
Maybe you'll have to actually watch for things on your screen, OHNOES!
Originally by: Cloue Think of all the raven farmers that cloak when anyone enters local, oh wont someone think of the farmers
this, think of the jobs that will be lost.
|
David Corbett
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 05:08:00 -
[37]
Edited by: David Corbett on 06/11/2008 05:08:26
Originally by: Molly Mayhem Edited by: Molly Mayhem on 06/11/2008 05:06:20 Maybe you'll have to actually watch for things on your screen, OHNOES!
From personal experience, by the time I show up on a target's screen, it's way too late for him. Unless you mean to say that 0.0 industrialism should be made even more exciting by turning it into a pro scanner button mashing simulation. ---
|
Davina Braben
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 06:24:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Conscious Looking through Zulupark's thread, noticed this.
Quote: Local as an info tool: We want to put local in 0.0 as a delayed mode channel so only people who talk in the channel are shown. We are also looking at other alternatives but if we find nothing better this will be put in testing at least.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=905941
Holy Crap! ...any thoughts out there??
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
|
Knobbing Everyone
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 13:39:00 -
[39]
Remind me again why I bothered training a Hulk / Rorqual pilot with Refining Efficiency V, Merxocit / Arkonor / Bistot processing so I could mine in 0.0? Might as well put him in a Dominix now and farm lvl4's in high-sec.
This is not going to encourage people to move in to 0.0, rather move them out of it. Pirates are complaining low-sec is already devoid of targets, now you want to give the nano-hac / recon gangs another edge? I mean, good skills and a 20Au probe, and you know whats in system in 30seconds flat! Excellent skills and you can use a Deep Space Observer. No thanks, I'll stay in high-sec now and mine veld, become bored of the game in days and cancel my accounts one after the other.
Even if they revamp the onboard scanner system, Hulks and the like align & warp so slow, by the time that Rapier is on scan, you're kneedeep in sh*t already.
The other disadvantage is that it will encourage blob-warfare even more, simply because people are like herds of buffalo. There are safety in numbers. You go out on your own, take the KY along, you go out with a 20man bs fleet with capitals on standby, you feel safer. Tell me how that encourages piracy / 0.0 industry / less blob warfare (and the lag that we all suffer in fleet battles).
Stupid idea and not worth the coding effort they will put in to it
|
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 14:22:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Janu Hull on 06/11/2008 14:22:58
Originally by: David Corbett I rat myself from time to time and it would be terrible to have to align to warpout every time I saw anything on the scanner, as at present it has no facility for differentiating friend or foe.
QFT.
While most people in 0.0 alliances (with something resembling a brain) use intel channels, most are loathed to crosscheck friendly movements over them because of spy issues. While being able to hide from enemies on local channels is nice, we do still need some way of identifying our friends in system at a glance.
Voice comms are slightly more secure, but it would be better if we didn't have to metagame to preserve our sanity. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
|
|
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 14:25:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Knobbing Everyone Remind me again why I bothered training a Hulk / Rorqual pilot with Refining Efficiency V, Merxocit / Arkonor / Bistot processing so I could mine in 0.0? Might as well put him in a Dominix now and farm lvl4's in high-sec.
This is not going to encourage people to move in to 0.0, rather move them out of it. Pirates are complaining low-sec is already devoid of targets, now you want to give the nano-hac / recon gangs another edge? I mean, good skills and a 20Au probe, and you know whats in system in 30seconds flat! Excellent skills and you can use a Deep Space Observer. No thanks, I'll stay in high-sec now and mine veld, become bored of the game in days and cancel my accounts one after the other.
Even if they revamp the onboard scanner system, Hulks and the like align & warp so slow, by the time that Rapier is on scan, you're kneedeep in sh*t already.
The other disadvantage is that it will encourage blob-warfare even more, simply because people are like herds of buffalo. There are safety in numbers. You go out on your own, take the KY along, you go out with a 20man bs fleet with capitals on standby, you feel safer. Tell me how that encourages piracy / 0.0 industry / less blob warfare (and the lag that we all suffer in fleet battles).
Stupid idea and not worth the coding effort they will put in to it
There's certainly a way of coping with that, but PvP roamers will have to get used to seeing logoffskis at a rate that will make the ISK farmers blush. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
|
Holy Lowlander
Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 14:30:00 -
[42]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Neth'Rae Devs have said the same before, that they would like to replace local with something else.. Not necessarily a pirateboost.
actually i think it is, cause atm there is nothing you can do to piracy to make it anymore nerfed then what it already is
don't challenge them....
they could make transport ships that warp cloaked or that sort of nonsense. ... oh wait ...
|
Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 14:49:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Omarvelous on 06/11/2008 14:49:49 PLEASE IMPLEMENT THIS IN ALL OF EVE!!!!!
Seriously - why just 0.0? You can hide and ambush just as well. This would be a great boost to low sec!
Scouting becomes THAT much more necessary! Teamwork is needed. Ratting isn't a boring AFK affair with little to no risk for massive reward(hmmm someone's in local - time to cloak up - sweet they got bored and left - back to churning out 20m/hour).
Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
|
Knobbing Everyone
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 14:55:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Omarvelous Teamwork is needed.
See my comments about blob warefare... Now imagine you finally do get that one loan ratter, and he has a cyno...whammo, instant cap (even supercap) blob on you
Originally by: Omarvelous Ratting isn't a boring AFK affair with little to no risk for massive reward(hmmm someone's in local - time to cloak up - sweet they got bored and left - back to churning out 20m/hour).
I make more running lvl4's in high-sec, with no danger...
This idea smells tbh...it's about as silly as the whole carrier nerf the proposed
|
Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 15:15:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 06/11/2008 15:22:41
Concerning the scanner changes that have been seriously discussed that would go hand in hand with a local nerf, it might indeed help with the sense of immersion.
What was most seriously proposed (if I remember correctly) was a scanner that regularly pinged surrounding space (no button mashing frensy) when you had it up. Anything coming within its range would show up for you, sort of like a short range "local". I imagine the range would be extended to allow a reasonable amount of time to react, although miners and such may have to pay more attention to being aligned. Immersion would be helped as ships would "show up in scan range" much like we see in most every SciFi movie.
It is also true that this will affect the solo player more than an organized corp, as any group getting their carebear on in a dangerous area will likely have scouts at the gates anyway. This does mean that your mining strategy will not be affected only by the quality of the minerals in the system, but also by the number of gates that would have to be covered. Not necessarily a bad thing, as dangerous area's should encourage teamwork to survive (or ninja like skills if you are solo).
Hmmm, if this passive scan range is a new attribute for each ship that could make things interesting as well. Some ships might have fairly short passive scan ranges, while others like recons (particularly the non-cloaky ones) or possibly even capital industrial vessels might make ideal early warning systems if there are not enough folks with you to have cloaked scouts watching the gates.
|
Kage Psychodin
Caldari The Empire Nation Worlds End Consortium
|
Posted - 2008.11.06 15:54:00 -
[46]
There is simply one big thing it comes down to entirely. Will this change prove to have NO change in offense/defense to most of those in EVE? Okay then, change away. Otherwise its going to reward people to sit and watch a gate every day EVEN MORE. (and that's bad.) Another one bites the dust. |
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |