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Alt Sauce
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:03:00 -
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Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:05:00 -
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Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar |
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:11:00 -
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chribba is anticanadian and antiamerican?
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Antoine Lefevre
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:13:00 -
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need a little facepalm smiley here
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 06/11/2008 15:18:18
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Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:28:00 -
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So what other idiot players call an expansion a nerf?
Oh wait let me guess something affects you in a way you think is negative and so you call it a nerf.
I call it a boost because this allows innovation in shipsetups, isk making etc Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Maria Kalista on 06/11/2008 15:29:45 Well, the nerfing did considerably increase the whining, so yeah, I'd call that an expansion.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:36:00 -
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Well, you could argue that they're expanding on the ner***e. Or you could argue that the nerfs create an environment that expands on the viability of ships more than it reduces the viability of others, so you get a total positive expansion out of it.
Of course you could just troll and post:
BOOM !! Threadlock !
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:41:00 -
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Who calls game balancing a nerf? Ohwait snap, most people. Think I need to check my implants, they're way too positively tuned. Need moar whine with the cheeze.
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baltec1
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:46:00 -
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Im getting a boost with this patch
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Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:48:00 -
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I didn't want that vagabond anyway.
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Estar Tarns
Equilibrium Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:52:00 -
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I might have missed somthing when reading the expansion page and dev blogs. But just to be sure, could you point out the so-called "nerfs" from the Quantum Rise page?
If it's the "Speed Rebalanced", please re-read the word and take notice of the part saying "REBALANCE". This word, in short, means there is a change somewhere, where somewhere in the case is the "Speed". What this change does, is balancing out the speeds on ships, to have a logical meaning to it (yes, please apply LOGIC to Eve-Online where needed, it really helps).
Other than that, i fail to see where other so-called "nerfs" could be. But as stated, point them out for me, as i might have missed it.
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SuckySycky5dolla
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:57:00 -
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and i just bough a nano-machariel . NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Antoine Lefevre need a little facepalm smiley here
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: SuckySycky5dolla and i just bough a nano-machariel . NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just give the ship to me now then because you might not use it after the expansion anyways.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:02:00 -
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The detail in the OP is astounding. I would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Sauce Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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SOE.
See the Star Wars Galaxies "Combat Downgrade" which was tied to an expansion, then to do one better they forced the "New Game Excrement" on us days after charging us for the next expansion 6 months later.
I don't like a lot of these changes either, they reek of "Combat Downgrade" but not quite a "New Game Excrement".
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:20:00 -
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I too am disappointed by Quantum Patch.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Sauce Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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Just because you say this expasion is just a series of nerfs and not an expansion doesn't make it true. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Khandara Seraphim chribba is anticanadian and antiamerican?
The term you're looking for is 'pro-world'.
But... yes of course, burn the witch!
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Sauce Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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When your ship is nerfed, i kill it faster. When your weapons are nerfed, i tank you better. When you get nerfed that means a boost for me. I love the expansion, because after that i'll p0wn you even harder.
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Zeromentor
High Flyers StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Sauce Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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Hmmm, Star Wars Galaxies... Well, so did the Matrix Online, Planetside, EQ1... Shall I go on?
But anyhow, I don't see these as a "nerf" more of a balance of power, have you ever tried to kill a nano'd Frigate in a Battleship? It's to hard, I worked so long for my super-powa Ship'o'Death for it to not be able to take a tiny man in a tiny ship. How dare little ships never get touched by me Death Rays!!!11one!a1few11more1's!!
But seriously, I don't like seeing extreme speed racing with missiles and drones (I literally watched 2 HACs go at it for 30 minutes before one left to grab a web stasis).
Now, choose which one of those was sarcasm... [i]-"He is part of the Rebel Allaince and a Traitor. Take him away!" "But I'm Barack Obama, it's not like I've burned flags or held a toast to a known PLO Terrorist Leader, or taken Hamas donations |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Alt Sauce Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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When your ship is nerfed, i kill it faster. When your weapons are nerfed, i tank you better. When you get nerfed that means a boost for me. I love the expansion, because after that i'll p0wn you even harder.
No you will still suck. You will just get killed by other ships. The only difference is that it makes pvp more boring.
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:51:00 -
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BOOM !! Threadlock !
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Dez Affinity
Evocati.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Who calls game breaking a nerf? Ohwait snap, most people. Think I need to check my implants, they're way too positively tuned. Need moar whine with the cheeze.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Sauce Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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NOT A TROLL.
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Pliauga
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.07 06:10:00 -
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Ok, first of, it's not a nerf, it's rebalancing (can I have your stuff, adapt or die, etc...). Although I do agree that this "Expansion" is somewhat slim on what makes expansions exciting, but sorry, I don't see any nerfs here.
How do you call these nerfs? :
Weapon grouping Activation timers Orca Medals Certificates Eternal life Peace on earth (I'm sure the last two are somewhere in the patch notes )
These are cool new features. And the complete restructuring of the combat system is no mean feat either. Just because CCP slowed down everything so that the physics engine wouldn't go nuts and give unintended advantages to few (I don't care if it's the majority) players doesn't make it a nerf. Sounds to me more like something that should have been done from the start, but better late than never.
I just hope they get it right. And I hope this rapid scramble for deployment before the wow patch won't have any negative effects on the quality
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.07 06:15:00 -
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The internet is a series of tubes as QR is a series of nerfs.
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Dez Affinity
Evocati.
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Posted - 2008.11.07 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pliauga
How do you call these nerfs? :
Weapon grouping
Saves a bit of time, I'll give you that one.
Originally by: Pliauga
Activation timers
Unneeded, really has no effect on anything.
Originally by: Pliauga
Orca
It's a nerf to can flipping for those who refuse to GSC mine basically. Not to mention it only caters for miners and even most miners aren't too thrilled.
Originally by: Pliauga
Medals Certificates
Is this a joke? Guild Wars had titles years ago. XBox Live has had achievements for a long time. WoW's got them too.
Medals, mean nothing, they are given to players by players. I could give myself the "BEST PVPER IN EVE LOL" medal but it doesn't mean shi. _______________
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.11.07 06:30:00 -
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Blizzard did. It was called The Burning Crusade. They even charged for it, cheeky buggers.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.07 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
SOE.
See the Star Wars Galaxies "Combat Downgrade" which was tied to an expansion, then to do one better they forced the "New Game Excrement" on us days after charging us for the next expansion 6 months later.
I don't like a lot of these changes either, they reek of "Combat Downgrade" but not quite a "New Game Excrement".
I invoke Tarminic's Law, and demand you support your claims with verification post-patch or permanently resign from the forums _____________________
The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
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Pliauga
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.07 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Pliauga
Activation timers
Unneeded, really has no effect on anything.
I beg to differ, very needed, especially for ultra tight cap management. This will allow me to activate my modules with precise timing making sure my cap usage is as close to 100% spot on as humanly possible. This idea had been tossed around the features and ideas forums for a while now.
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Pliauga
Orca
It's a nerf to can flipping for those who refuse to GSC mine basically. Not to mention it only caters for miners and even most miners aren't too thrilled.
Havn't heard those arguments before. But I dable in industry a bit, and I'm sure as hell am getting one.
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Pliauga
Medals Certificates
Is this a joke? Guild Wars had titles years ago. XBox Live has had achievements for a long time. WoW's got them too.
Medals, mean nothing, they are given to players by players. I could give myself the "BEST PVPER IN EVE LOL" medal but it doesn't mean shi.
Medals are worth as much as the imersion level of the people that isue them. They are for player interaction and RP. You made a good point, there will no doubt be ALOT of useless medals being issued. But the way I understand it, if lets say a FC of a well know PvP centric corp receives a medal from the CEO of the said corp noting the FCs' skill, that could mean something (for the FC, if he decides to leave and join another alliance where he is not so well known). Especially if that same medal is only issued to few others (also noted FCs). Bottom line: Most medals won't mean crap, but some will be priceless. (remember, eve community is the most mature of most MMOs, as unbelievable as that may sometimes seem)
And as for certs, that's new player experience. Not a ground breaking inovation (as are the rest of these things), but something that might come in handy.
But my point is this: this expansion would barely go as a patch in my book, but it's by no means a nerf.
Darwin is watching you...
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.07 06:58:00 -
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Nikla Uthaan
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Posted - 2008.11.07 07:36:00 -
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ITT: Another person who'd rather +2 Warp Core Stab on a blockade runner, and believes the ability to fit a Covops Cloak and use Covert Jumps is a "nerf"
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.11.07 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nikla Uthaan ITT: Another person who'd rather +2 Warp Core Stab on a blockade runner, and believes the ability to fit a Covops Cloak and use Covert Jumps is a "nerf"
It is and it isn't.
The people who are crying nerf expect it to be immediately bumped and tackled any time they need the covops cloak. Which as a hauler isn't the most nimble thing in the world, is true. In 0.0 bubbles. Everywhere else, empire, lowsec, it is just barely nimble enough that mostly, it should be able to get away. Especially lowsec as the ships that can tank gate guns tend to be less nimble than most haulers excepting the amarr ones.
This all works right up until every pirate camp has alty mcaltperson in fast friggie to do nothing but bump cloakers and never shoot at them. Making the gate guns not a worry as it never actually agressed anything. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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Daevonar
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.07 08:36:00 -
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Yawn... flamebait thread Dae.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.11.07 09:36:00 -
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ok with around 100km3 of usable cargo space including corp hanger the orca is a good hauler and is also a good ship to have around on mining op's to save having a half dozen people hauling. It in no was has any effect on any other part of industry freighters are still better at moving lots of things from A to B. The orca is a mining ship not an industry ship. This industry patch has nothing industrial in at at all
Quote: Industry:the people or companies engaged in a particular kind of commercial enterprise; "each industry has its own trade publications"
the organized action of making of goods and services for sale; "American industry is making increased use of computers to control production"
stacklessIO and eve64 were released a while ago speed nerf has been awaited AS A PATCH TO FIX WHAT WAS VERY BROKEN for a long time certificates and hte other bits of tripe they've thrown in are just little things they could do in a patch
What you're all doing is moaning about a patch that they've not released details for yet if you acctually think CCP would release a patch with so little in it and saying it's a big industry thing and have bugger all in it you're sadly mistake.
ofcause if this is all that's in it i'd hate to be one of the dev's at fanfest this year
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Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.07 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Oftherocks on 07/11/2008 09:54:12
Originally by: Gawain Hill
What you're all doing is moaning about a patch that they've not released details for yet if you acctually think CCP would release a patch with so little in it and saying it's a big industry thing and have bugger all in it you're sadly mistake.
I keep seeing this or similar stuff posted. Please go re-read what the devs have said. This is a phased release, the first phase was StacklessIO/Eve 64, the second (and last) phase is the remaining stuff listed on the QR features page. There is no more. The stuff they keep saying will be discussed at fanfest is not for this expansion, it is for the future. Seriously, what you see on the QR features page is what we are getting. All that stuff Oveur hinted at is for future expansions, not this one. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Edit: Here is a link proving what I am saying since no one will believe me otherwise: Explorer
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wdwjhdw
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Posted - 2008.11.07 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Sauce Seriously, what other game company throws together nerfs and calls it an expansion?
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Blizzard if you were a priest when TBC came out. (When I unsubscribed) Dont know about other classes.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.07 11:30:00 -
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Well, coming from SISI, they did nerf practically every ship in the game bar AFs, T1 frigates , plain T2 fit unrigged interceptors (better fits being naturally nerfed), and blockade runners.
They also hit solo PVP in general with the massive weakening of solo tackle and reducing ship versatility all around.
Now, if you're one of the idiots who hates soloing because all he does is 0.0 blobbing and wants things he does not have to get nerfed, fine. However, don't pretend it's not a bunch of nerfs.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.07 12:22:00 -
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Oh stop feeding the trolls. It's bad for their digestion. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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