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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:42:00 -
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lol another guy threatening to kill eve if ccp doesnt do what he wants
oh gd, so predictable |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
525
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:06:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: But it does benefit Null Bears, so I suppose that makes it okay.
It will make, by itself, INFLATION WORSE.
Good, Eve needs some price inflation. It's also good for high sec. Maybe you can find something else to do other than shoot rats. As prices go up, the value in shooting rats goes down. Instead, maybe build ammo, mine something, trade over priced ships to rat chasing people? There's an entire sandbox out there that does not involve shooting red + symbols. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:30:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Savage Creampuff wrote:out of the crucible and into the inferno. life is looking good and profitable. I pillaged some Jita markets for some easy profits later. The goons will be seigeing Jita waiting for you to come out or your hapless 'customers' trying to come in to buy anything Yeah but with all the warning who will actually be stupid enough to fall for it? Also, why the hell the warning?
Ptraci wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
The goons will be seigeing Jita
Can't wait for the goons to be banned for breaking the EULA (thou shalt not try to break the game/intentionally cause undue strain on the servers, etc), and frankly nothing of value will be lost. Spoiled children need consequences. EVE is not "their" game, there are only 8000 of them, and most of them are alts.
Yeah gl with that... how is PVP in a game that allows nonconsentual PVP breaking the game intentionally? Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Brutorthegreat
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:38:00 -
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The economy is broken. I would rather they get it all done at once then drag out this painful situation. seriously. | -áFour Horsemen of the Apocalypse [THE4] | Dedicated Caldari Faction Warfare Corporation | Since December 2009 | -á-á |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
501
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:42:00 -
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Brutorthegreat wrote:The economy is broken. I would rather they get it all done at once then drag out this painful situation. seriously. Plus, unlike real life the economy going **** up isn't necessarily bad.
In Eve, the economy going mad makes things interesting. In real life, the economy going **** up means I can't afford whiskey, her0in and hookers.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
457
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:55:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Clearly the Null Bears are bent on "cornering the market" regardless of the consequences to EVE.
Er, the "null bears" couldn't give a damn about your precious high sec market - we're too busy having fun playing EVE. You know you can make stuff in null sec right? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
135
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:55:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Brutorthegreat wrote:The economy is broken. I would rather they get it all done at once then drag out this painful situation. seriously. Plus, unlike real life the economy going **** up isn't necessarily bad. In Eve, the economy going mad makes things interesting. In real life, the economy going **** up means I can't afford whiskey, her0in and hookers.
Not true herion prices have been going down because US soldiers destroyed the the Taliban ... in July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the United Nations to eradicate ****** production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. As a result of this ban, opium poppy cultivation was reduced by 91% from the previous year's estimate of 82,172 hectares. The ban was so effective that Helmand Province, which had accounted for more than half of this area, recorded no poppy cultivation during the 2001 season.[ The Bush administration paid a 43 million dollar 'eradication' reward payment to the Taliban in 2001.
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:56:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Clearly the Null Bears are bent on "cornering the market" regardless of the consequences to EVE.
Er, the "null bears" couldn't give a damn about your precious high sec market - we're too busy having fun playing EVE. You know you can make stuff in null sec right?
Funny, the high sec bears are having fun playing EVE too... why dont we just ignore each other then
rofl Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
504
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:48:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Not true herion prices have been going down because US soldiers destroyed the the Taliban ... in July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the United Nations to eradicate ****** production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. As a result of this ban, opium poppy cultivation was reduced by 91% from the previous year's estimate of 82,172 hectares. The ban was so effective that Helmand Province, which had accounted for more than half of this area, recorded no poppy cultivation during the 2001 season.[ The Bush administration paid a 43 million dollar 'eradication' reward payment to the Taliban in 2001. As someone who doesn't genuinely take her0in, or copy and paste random crap from wikipedia in an attempt to appear intelligent, I was completely unaware of this amazing information.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
220
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:55:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Ptraci wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Clearly the Null Bears are bent on "cornering the market" regardless of the consequences to EVE.
Er, the "null bears" couldn't give a damn about your precious high sec market - we're too busy having fun playing EVE. You know you can make stuff in null sec right? Funny, the high sec bears are having fun playing EVE too... why dont we just ignore each other then rofl
Sandbox. We don't have to. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
223
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:23:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:This is a joke, right? The New Deal was an economic disaster. If be "economic disaster" you mean "turned America into the richest, most powerful nation on the planet", then sure.
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Yeah and America's economy is the envy of the world. It was in the late 40s/early 50s. vOv
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Amity Lane has big cheeks. It's really just the photo angle/lighting. At least that's what I tell myself when I look in the mirror so I don't cry. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
527
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:36:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:If be "economic disaster" you mean "turned America into the richest, most powerful nation on the planet", then sure.
In spite of, not because of. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:04:00 -
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Brutorthegreat wrote:The economy is broken. I would rather they get it all done at once then drag out this painful situation. seriously.
Thats what ppl said when they voted in Mittens as CSM, then they bitched when he proved he wanted to do it lol
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:05:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Ptraci wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Clearly the Null Bears are bent on "cornering the market" regardless of the consequences to EVE.
Er, the "null bears" couldn't give a damn about your precious high sec market - we're too busy having fun playing EVE. You know you can make stuff in null sec right? Funny, the high sec bears are having fun playing EVE too... why dont we just ignore each other then rofl Sandbox. We don't have to.
lol that comes off as a nanny nanny boo boo type reply... as the reply is "sandbox. I can if I want to"
Im rubber youre glue all that Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Liam Mirren
430
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:23:00 -
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Chaos is good. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Artemis Ahab
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:39:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Amity Lane wrote:If be "economic disaster" you mean "turned America into the richest, most powerful nation on the planet", then sure.
In spite of, not because of.
This, tbh. The New Deal only propped the economy up. FDR paused it for a time and it went right back down the drain. Military production for WW2 is what brought us out of the depression, not the New Deal. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:42:00 -
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Artemis Ahab wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Amity Lane wrote:If be "economic disaster" you mean "turned America into the richest, most powerful nation on the planet", then sure.
In spite of, not because of. This, tbh. The New Deal only propped the economy up. FDR paused it for a time and it went right back down the drain. Military production for WW2 is what brought us out of the depression, not the New Deal. Without all the new roads and bridges built under the New Deal, that military production would have been basically impossible.
See also: Cause and effect. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Artemis Ahab
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:48:00 -
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I'm not saying it didn't help. I'm saying people give it too much credit, and that it did not bring us out if the depression, which is the impression I got from his original post about it. If we hadn't gotten involved in WW2 when we did the New Deal would have been a massive failure. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:52:00 -
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Artemis Ahab wrote:I'm not saying it didn't help. I'm saying people give it too much credit, and that it did not bring us out if the depression, which is the impression I got from his original post about it. If we hadn't gotten involved in WW2 when we did the New Deal would have been a massive failure.
Yeah, just look at Stockholm...
The fact of the matter is that precious capitalism, driven by the war, could not have occurred without the New Deal. Capitalism had utterly failed and there was no real wealth - anywhere. Let alone production.
Therefore, the New Deal brought us out of The Depression.
Subsequent events were subsequent. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Zircon Dasher
130
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:55:00 -
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lol @ epistemic problems with conceptions of causal relationships in open and dynamic systems. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:59:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:lol @ epistemic problems with conceptions of causal relationships in open and dynamic systems. You're right, in a complex system cause and effect become completely divorced.
Those roads and bridges were built in spite of the New Deal, not because of it. The American people, rebellious as ever, decided that, despite the government's offer of paychecks, it made better sense to just communally build roads and bridges so that when the Japanese attacked a decade later, we could be ready to respond.
In a sense, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor built those roads and bridges and restored the US infrastructure.
Cause and effect, who needs them? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Zircon Dasher
131
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:36:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:lol @ epistemic problems with conceptions of causal relationships in open and dynamic systems. You're right, in a complex system cause and effect become completely divorced. Those roads and bridges were built in spite of the New Deal, not because of it. The American people, rebellious as ever, decided that, despite the government's offer of paychecks, it made better sense to just communally build roads and bridges so that when the Japanese attacked a decade later, we could be ready to respond. In a sense, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor built those roads and bridges and restored the US infrastructure. Cause and effect, who needs them?
4 realsies? |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
68
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:47:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Different world. Now Tier 2 Battlecruisers are the norm and add on's like Rigs and a lack of T1 Balance around T2 Fitting stats have made ships like T1 Cruisers less then viable for engagements. With all the new ships the bar is being set higher and higher with what you have to use to compete.
Back then a T1 Battleship was like a Capital today and Frigates / Cruisers were the norm. Now the field has expanded. The rebalance may help lower the cost of entry level PvP making ISK Costs go down for T1 Ships which might alleviate the problem.
True enough, but I'll tell ya something. Fun in Eve is not defined by the nifty ship, it is defined by what you do with it. It is more fun to get your corp mates and try to do a lvl 4 in T1 cruisers than all of you in pimped out faction sparkle boats. One of the most fun experience I had in Eve was in Null sec. I fit up a crappy blackbird with whatever crap I could find on the market, all T1 stuff. I joined the fleet and some guy laughed, "hu hu hu, you won't jam anything with that!". Well a few minutes later, off we ran to help some blues save a carrier that was under attack by some reds. In we zip to the carrier and I locked the reds, each one of them, zap. I jammed them all in a cheap little crappy ship. The fleet asked, "Why didn't they shoot? What happened." I told them, "I used my crappy little blackbird." They didn't laugh at my crappy blackbird after that or my crazy caracal stuffed full of tracking disrupters. You do not need the big fancy pants ship to have fun. In fact, flying what you can afford to loose and not giving a damn is where the fun is.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:48:00 -
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Potamus Jenkins wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Different world. Now Tier 2 Battlecruisers are the norm and add on's like Rigs and a lack of T1 Balance around T2 Fitting stats have made ships like T1 Cruisers less then viable for engagements. With all the new ships the bar is being set higher and higher with what you have to use to compete.
Back then a T1 Battleship was like a Capital today and Frigates / Cruisers were the norm. Now the field has expanded. The rebalance may help lower the cost of entry level PvP making ISK Costs go down for T1 Ships which might alleviate the problem.
True enough, but I'll tell ya something. Fun in Eve is not defined by the nifty ship, it is defined by what you do with it. It is more fun to get your corp mates and try to do a lvl 4 in T1 cruisers than all of you in pimped out faction sparkle boats. One of the most fun experience I had in Eve was in Null sec. I fit up a crappy blackbird with whatever crap I could find on the market, all T1 stuff. I joined the fleet and some guy laughed, "hu hu hu, you won't jam anything with that!". Well a few minutes later, off we ran to help some blues save a carrier that was under attack by some reds. In we zip to the carrier and I locked the reds, each one of them, zap. I jammed them all in a cheap little crappy ship. The fleet asked, "Why didn't they shoot? What happened." I told them, "I used my crappy little blackbird." They didn't laugh at my crappy blackbird after that or my crazy caracal stuffed full of tracking disrupters. You do not need the big fancy pants ship to have fun. In fact, flying what you can afford to loose and not giving a damn is where the fun is. nerf ecm
I personally disdain this over-used tearpost, but you sir have earned a +1 from me for it this time! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
511
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:06:00 -
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Potamus Jenkins wrote:nerf ecm Why?
People with falcon alts are the easiest to bait, they will always engage clearly superior ships purely because they believe they can jam you. Fit some ECCM and fit for ranged DPS, overheat the ECCM to kill the falcon, then kill them.
At worst you get a ~150m recon kill, at best you kill whatever the hell they engaged you in as well.
Unless you're complaining about it in small fleet fights? In which case why not fit up one ship specifically for killing the falcon? One of my alliance mates has a pretty funny anti-falcon sacrilege he likes to use a lot.
Anyway, a falcon isn't really that big of a deal unless you aren't prepared for it. It's a force multiplier with very low EHP and easily accessible counters, I'd rather face a rag-tag gang with a falcon than face a sniper gang with rapiers, arazus etc.
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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
53
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
If CCP didn't ban anyone for the battle of LXQ (3000+ in one system) what makes you think they'll ban anyone for burning Jita?
Completely unrelated, but that was fun.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:31:00 -
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L'ouris wrote:Malcanis wrote:
If CCP didn't ban anyone for the battle of LXQ (3000+ in one system) what makes you think they'll ban anyone for burning Jita?
Completely unrelated, but that was fun.
Yeah, one of those events obviously happened in Star Trek Online... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:02:00 -
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Seems like most people here think I am wrong with my views of chaos on the horizon. That's OK, I have never been one to believe the masses are always right.
Here is a question that NO ONE but CCP can answer: What will be the ISK bounties set on the drones? Keep in mind, all those players in the Drone Regions won't suddenly disappear. Suddenly they are creating ISK with drone bounties. And let's not forget the drone bounties that will still occur in high sec. I would estimate that 10-12% of all the missions my L4 agent gives me are Drone missions.
So you are looking at a bump in high sec bounties as well. But the elephant in the room will be the increases ISK from the Drone Lands.
So CCP, I ask again, do you REALLY know how ALL these simultaneous changes will impact the economy? How much ISK do you forsee being injected into the economy at the same time all these high end minerals are vanishing?
Tinkering with many sinks and faucets at once is a recipe for wild fluctuations.
But hell, what do I care. My 2 accounts are sitting on about 8 billion in cash. I will buy plexes with that as long as the cash holds out. If the game becomes unpleasant for me to play, I will just slip away as do most people who quit the game.
Hopefully, I am wrong and the game remains interesting and enjoyable to play. I am just not betting on it. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
224
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:09:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Seems like most people here think I am wrong with my views of chaos on the horizon. That's OK, I have never been one to believe the masses are always right.
Here is a question that NO ONE but CCP can answer: What will be the ISK bounties set on the drones? Keep in mind, all those players in the Drone Regions won't suddenly disappear. Suddenly they are creating ISK with drone bounties. And let's not forget the drone bounties that will still occur in high sec. I would estimate that 10-12% of all the missions my L4 agent gives me are Drone missions.
So you are looking at a bump in high sec bounties as well. But the elephant in the room will be the increases ISK from the Drone Lands.
So CCP, I ask again, do you REALLY know how ALL these simultaneous changes will impact the economy? How much ISK do you forsee being injected into the economy at the same time all these high end minerals are vanishing?
Tinkering with many sinks and faucets at once is a recipe for wild fluctuations.
But hell, what do I care. My 2 accounts are sitting on about 8 billion in cash. I will buy plexes with that as long as the cash holds out. If the game becomes unpleasant for me to play, I will just slip away as do most people who quit the game.
Hopefully, I am wrong and the game remains interesting and enjoyable to play. I am just not betting on it.
Let's say you're right and the ISK injection is titanic.
So was the expulsion of all the botter ISK and items being destroyed. Those bots paid their subs through PLEX, which profit CCP more than normal for-pay subs at the end of the day. That also had an effect on Eve's economy. It drove up the demand for PLEX and therefore the price.
So we get a fountain of ISK which hypothetically will be titanic balanced against the titanic sink of destroyed and queued for destruction ISK from botters.
Looks like business as usual to me. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:17:00 -
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Spaceships is srs bizness. Mhm. |
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