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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:12:00 -
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OmniBeton wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote: In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.
I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
So, you simply found out this game is not for you. What you cry about is that they didn't made it for you. When you're done try joining girlypinkstars or something and complaing there are spaceships there. YUMADBRO???
Sorry,had it get it out of my system. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:13:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up. I remember about a week into the game I was running missions in my very first cruiser. I had spent all my money on it, and I got it blown up in a mission in short order. I stuck with it then because I realized exactly what mistakes I had made, and felt that I deserved to lose my ship for how I played. Within a couple of days I had a shiny new cruiser and I never lost another ship running missions again. This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. It's pretty disheartening knowing that I would be safer and would make more isk if I just installed one of those bots that I see so many players use. Yea,well... Still no reason to quit this game,bud. Also,like another poster above me said,if you made that much isk not understanding the game, itd be pretty easy to recoup your losses. Maybe you should try the 'Dark Side' for a bit. Blow up unsuspecting victims and loot their remains. It's quite therapeutic from what I hear. Also,all you people who posted with helpful replies,GG. It's good to know we can help people too. +1 all you trollish bastards.
Seeing as how I have all of 100000 isk to my name now it would be pretty hard to recoup my losses. I would certainly get no satisfaction from ganking people in high sec while they aren't paying attention. I don't even like doing that in null sec. Hell a week ago our corp ran across some thanatos that was ratting and we shot it down in cruisers. We killed a 1 bil isk ship and it was nowhere near as exciting as when we get into fleet fights against dinky little thrashers and the like.
But I also would like to thank everyone for being so helpful and not just cussing me out, it's the one thing that is maybe making me think about reconsidering. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
206
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:13:00 -
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Working as intended, this situation could have been avoided with vigilance and some better planning. I know what it's like to lose pretty much everything but it's no reason to leave.
Came back to the game after a 3 year hiatus and had given everything but a few mods away and a thorax and had a completely stat gimped character before the days of attribute mapping with horrible skills from rushing directly into the first battleships to see themselves in the game.
Spent a week doing level 1-3 missions and spent nearly everything on a +3 clone and went into lowsec in a crap fit execuror and wound up blown up and ransomed for the last bit of isk I had left yet here I remain. It's your choice to leave but it is in no way the end if you chose for it not to be. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Francisco Bizzaro
21
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:18:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. Bad luck? I thought your story was that you were checking email while flying a main trade route while carrying all your wealth. Explain again where the luck factors in.
Troll must invent more sympathetic story next time.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3275
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:20:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote: I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
It was a wholly appropriate punishment purely because you gambled everything.
If I go to a horse race and bet $10,000 on a horse, I stand to lose $10,000. If I don't feel that losing 10 large would be fun, I should make a smaller bet, not complain to the bookie when my horse doesn't win. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3275
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:22:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up. I remember about a week into the game I was running missions in my very first cruiser. I had spent all my money on it, and I got it blown up in a mission in short order. I stuck with it then because I realized exactly what mistakes I had made, and felt that I deserved to lose my ship for how I played. Within a couple of days I had a shiny new cruiser and I never lost another ship running missions again. This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. It's pretty disheartening knowing that I would be safer and would make more isk if I just installed one of those bots that I see so many players use. Yea,well... Still no reason to quit this game,bud. Also,like another poster above me said,if you made that much isk not understanding the game, itd be pretty easy to recoup your losses. Maybe you should try the 'Dark Side' for a bit. Blow up unsuspecting victims and loot their remains. It's quite therapeutic from what I hear. Also,all you people who posted with helpful replies,GG. It's good to know we can help people too. +1 all you trollish bastards. Seeing as how I have all of 100000 isk to my name now it would be pretty hard to recoup my losses. I would certainly get no satisfaction from ganking people in high sec while they aren't paying attention. I don't even like doing that in null sec. Hell a week ago our corp ran across some thanatos that was ratting and we shot it down in cruisers. We killed a 1 bil isk ship and it was nowhere near as exciting as when we get into fleet fights against dinky little thrashers and the like. But I also would like to thank everyone for being so helpful and not just cussing me out, it's the one thing that is maybe making me think about reconsidering.
Since you're in a corp, surely someone will lend you a destroyer or something? You can be back in a cruiser with maybe an hour or two of level 1 missions, and back in a battlecruiser within a few more hours of level 2/3s Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
42
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:25:00 -
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Thanks for posting OP. Let CCP know why they measure subscription in the thousands instead of millions but its basic game theory. Predator/thief/aggressor beats victim every time but the system as a whole loses. Only collaboration brings real gains. Been true since the first herder sent his flock to eat a farmers crops and then there was the hunter that thought a herders flock were prime pickings. Round and round they went till they learned getting along was better for them all. Nothin spaceage going on here 'cept we just ain't as smart as cavemen. |
voetius
Starwinders The Unwilling.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:27:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liam Mirren wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :) This indeed, EVE is harsh and unforgiving and sometimes it hurts like a *****. Thing is though, if you quit EVE and go Back to whatever other MMO, would you really like it that way? No consequences, silly grinding, no effort and boring? Pick yourself up, start over again and promise yourself to do better this time. We've all been there :) I don't play other MMOs for those reasons. That's why Eve appealed to me. But however mindless a game like WoW might be, you can't honestly say that what this tornado dude did to me was any better or more involved. I see people all around me flying ships worth hundreds of millions, even billions of isk. Every time I go into null sec, I'm flying the cheapest ship around. People talk about how they just casually log onto their alt, make a couple billlion isk in a few hours, and then buy some more shiny ships and go right back to PvP. All I ever wanted was to make enough isk to buy myself some T1 BCs, fly them into nullsec, and get them blown up like an idiot.
People exaggerate. Sure it is possible to make that much in a short time but scamming is a bit hit and miss.
Also, as people above said, look up Red Frog Freight or Push Industries - let someone else take the risks of hauling. |
Vanguard One
4th Drake Squadron
3
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:31:00 -
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Transferred som ISK to get you back on your feet.
Now, find a good corp where you can learn the ropes and who will support you. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
353
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:33:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Can i have your stuff ?
He doesn't have any stuff anymore. |
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gfldex
448
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:34:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote: I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player.
You made yourself an expert in games that can not be won by playing game where you never going to lose anything.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today.
It's the excuse for PvP. Get rich quickly. Anything else is just chest beating.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent.
You where outsmarted. He knew you where coming. You could have red the handbook. You still went that road. You lost he won -- perfect PvP.
As a side note, if you make only 300M in two weeks as a new player you suck at making ISK. We don't want bad players. Please leave quietly.
CCP Sreegs-á - biggest griefer in EVE! |
Count D00KU
Inflamed Crusty Unit
27
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:36:00 -
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He,
Look on the bright side...you got 30 days to follow up on those killrights ill bet he is sitting today in a 60 mil plus tornado on the same gate.
get an ab frigate tackle him orbit and kill him.....get even :)
Or get your own tornado and gank nother hauler why spent 2 weeks to make 300 mil if you can get it within minutes :) |
Titus Phook
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:37:00 -
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OP check your wallet, you should find a small gift of ISKies, pay it forward to someone else when you get the chance. |
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
14
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:37:00 -
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I pawn the hauling off to the hauler guys. You'd be surprised how fast some high-collateral; low-profit hauls get picked up.
....and if they lose the cargo, I PROFIT.. WOOT! \o/ |
gfldex
448
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:38:00 -
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Folks, I think we can stop now to feed the troll. CCP Sreegs-á - biggest griefer in EVE! |
Jayarr Altol
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:43:00 -
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http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=73310
In his butthurt he tried to run this wonderfully fit megathron into a large gang to "get sum killz" We stopped this madness. This player is hurr durr and foolish. Do not feel sorry for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:50:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
blabla..
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
So you were stupid. Have you ever heard that "don't fly you can't afford to loose"? At least you should have heard this. Have you ever take the time to read after how secure is to haul expensive stuff in EVE? Have you ever read anything about EVE at all? This is not WOW, you wont survive if you are not smart. You came here because this game is hard? Now you can see it is. In real life you carry millions in a transparent paper bag on street? You can't do this in EVE without consequences either. You didn't know that? Now you know it.
But the most important: why you opened this topic? |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
62
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:51:00 -
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6/10
+1 for 'All I wanted to do was [wahhhhhh]' -1 for obvious |
Vain Eldritch
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:52:00 -
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One of the good things about Eve (yes! there's more than one) is that I get burned out / bummed out / raged out / cheesed off (and out) and I can step away from the game for a time and I'm still really "playing" the game - the skill queue keeps rolling on and my character developing. Other MORPG's if I'm not assuming the position between KB and screen my "off" time is dead.
So, set skills on long and step away. I've done this many, many times since Eve bit me at launch and my biggest regret was not staying sub'd over long aways and losing skill time.
For me, other games come and go but Eve remains - and with each game I pass through and leave behind, the more I appreciate the uniques nature of Eve.
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Jayarr Altol
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:53:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:6/10
+1 for 'All I wanted to do was [wahhhhhh]' -1 for obvious
Not trolling, Just very very butthurt. |
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knobber Jobbler
151
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:56:00 -
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Buy a gtc, sell it for 930m, buy a basilisk for incursions for 400m, do incursions and make a few billion, buy allot of tech 1 cruisers and frigates, join eve uni or rvb. Problems solved.
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Arthur Frayn
Root.
70
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:57:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
While you have my sympathy for your recent loss, perhaps you would care to explain why you hopped in your battleship, flew it into nullsec and got it blown up by your own alliance mates and one corp mate. |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
9
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:58:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Can I have your stuff?
I believe it's floating on a gate near dodixie right now - best get there before downtime :) |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
1071
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:59:00 -
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I'd ask for your stuff, but you don't have any. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:06:00 -
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Arthur Frayn wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. While you have my sympathy for your recent loss, perhaps you would care to explain why you hopped in your battleship, flew it into nullsec and got it blown up by your own alliance mates and one corp mate.
Might as well have some fun before I go. |
Sin Pew
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
15
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:11:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Arthur Frayn wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. While you have my sympathy for your recent loss, perhaps you would care to explain why you hopped in your battleship, flew it into nullsec and got it blown up by your own alliance mates and one corp mate. Might as well have some fun before I go. Clearly your fun seems to be playing the attention ***** and grabbing a few ISK from the carebear populating this thread. If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
32
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:12:00 -
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Im sure you heard of that game called, World of Warcraft. Try it out u might like it... :P |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:14:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:... So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. If you would have asked earlier, me, and I think a couple of others would have easily fronted you 300 Mil or more.
I you want to restart contact me here or ingame for a 0.5 Bil loan or investment. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
504
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:19:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today.
You have played games where you are prized for a score (i.e. a kill, renown points etc).
In EvE it's different. You are prized for aggressively dominating, prevailing, grabbing and building your road to success stepping on the blood of someone else.
Welcome to true PvP. Where you don't fight avatars, you fight real son-of-a-btch people.
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Space Wanderer
Ruatha Holding
1
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:28:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player.
This is the issue. You are used to consensual pvp (or what you might call a "fair fight"). Except very limited environments there is nothing of the sort in EVE. However
Spacebar Chelien wrote:All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading
There is no "peaceful trading" in EVE. Even though there are no flashy explosions involved, EVERYTHING is Player-versus-player. You think trading is peaceful? Think again. Traders and industrialists are some of most cut-throat trades around. It's not uncommon for an industrialist to hire mercs to kill the POS of a competitor to halt his production. People grinding highsec missions have to cope with ninja salvagers and suicide gankers, not to speak about other missioners that lower the amount of their own LPs. Miners have to cope with other miners getting the best roids, with can flippers and the above mentioned suiciders. Explorers have to contend with other explorers in finding juicy sites, and so on. EVERYTHING is competition on EVE, and you have to get into the mindset that if you are not the hunter you are the prey, and prepare for it (ok, you are the prey even if you are the hunter, I was just trying to keep it simple )
Basically what i said above can be summarized as "Welcome to EVE". This is the game. It is your choice whether you like it or not. Just think that you are pvping from the moment you log in to the moment you log out. Even in station you are not totally safe, peple can still hurt your wallet if you have outstanding trade orders or contracts or you fall for some scam. Again, you are always pvping, there is nothing "peaceful" in EVE. To quote one of the devs: "EVE is not designed to look like a cold, dark, unforgiving world. It's designed to BE a cold, dark, unforgiving world
On the other hand, if you just enjoy cost-free pvp, like SC2, I suggest you log into the test center (SISI). Everything there costs 100isk, and stuff over there happens consensually (usually) . |
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