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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.11.13 09:11:00 -
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Personally, I don't care what the bits and pieces are called. What if Tritanium IS iron? why do they have to call it the same thing some many thousands of years down the line, after multiple cataclysmic events causing a virtual rediscovering of technology?
Oh yeah.. and I demand the Gallente's be renamed the French, cuz that's what they are called now, here, on earth...
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Menzisu Uiru
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Posted - 2008.11.13 12:59:00 -
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Maybe when civilization collapsed and was subsequently rebuilt again, different names were given to the same materials?
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Ruciza
Minmatar The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ruciza on 13/11/2008 13:55:41 Maybe we simply define what mins are what elements in this thread. For instance, looking at wiki, real life Feldspar can be a mix of 3 so called endmembers:
K-feldspar = KAlSi3O8 Albite = NaAlSi3O8 Anorthite = CaAl2Si2O8
So we got Aluminium as a major contender for Tritanium.
Quote: Plagioclase is a very important series of tectosilicate minerals within the feldspar family. Rather than referring to a particular mineral with a specific chemical composition, plagioclase is a solid solution series, more properly known as the plagioclase feldspar series (from the Greek "oblique fracture", in reference to its two cleavage angles). The series ranges from albite to anorthite endmembers (with respective compositions NaAlSi3O8 to CaAl2Si2O8), where sodium and calcium atoms can substitute for each other in the mineral's crystal lattice structure.
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Juraka Furo
Caldari Truly Epic
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth Personally, I don't care what the bits and pieces are called. What if Tritanium IS iron? why do they have to call it the same thing some many thousands of years down the line, after multiple cataclysmic events causing a virtual rediscovering of technology?
Oh yeah.. and I demand the Gallente's be renamed the French, cuz that's what they are called now, here, on earth...
Kudos to you good sir! This is the first person to mention what I have been thinking all along (I was too lazy to log in and reply)
Of course they're going to be named differently, different people discovered them.
If you were a caveman and you found a bit of iron/tritanium, would you pick it up and go "Oh, hey I remember this stuff!... wait... actually I don't remember it, but let's call it Iron anyways"
The chances are slim.
From the amount that it is used, I am guessing Tritanium is the closest to iron. I can speculate that the middle-and hi-ends, like iso, nocx, zyd, and mega are versions to silicates and things used in electronics.
Maybe mex is something related to copper, I dunno.
But in the end, who cares? I didn't come here to play Earth-in-Space
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Norian Lonark
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: FeCralloy am i the only person that thinks its silly to mine ore (like scordite), and refine it to something called pyerite? pyerite is supposedly a mineral, its a knockoff of pyrite, which in RL is... IRON ORE! wouldnt it be better if we mined pyrite asteroids which refined to mostly iron? thats why i am making this topic to discuss my idea: replace the 7 lame minerals with all of the naturally occuring elements on the periodic table. each roid yields different proportions of each element. sure BP bill of materials would be more complicated but it would be much more fun and way more awesome. So what do yall think?
Yes I think you are the only person.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:36:00 -
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next you'll be telling us that you shouldn't be able to use a jump gate without having negative matter in your cargo hold because that's the only way to make a wormhole stable enough to travel through (yea i watch some theroetical science once) yet i don't see any negative matter on the market :(
when was the last time you bought a car made of iron? i know they currently make dirty great big boats of of metal but you'd think a few thousand years in the distant future that maybe just MAYBE that we'd be able to make super strong materials NOT with iron but with any number of theroetical materials the human mind can make up
p.s. this is a game if i wanted to build stuff with real life materials i'd go get a job building things
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:03:00 -
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Leave my internet database entries alone! Since that's what the 7 minerals *really* are.
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Jenna Sojik
Riggers of War
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Eve is too. Unless you think the boat dynamics are somehow realistic. I'm just waiting for the space whaling profession myself.
/Starts making Greenpeace signs in preparation.
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Tsual
Minmatar Iikhelahii khulemah'lal
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 16/11/2008 15:29:41
Originally by: Ruciza Edited by: Ruciza on 13/11/2008 13:55:41 Maybe we simply define what mins are what elements in this thread. For instance, looking at wiki, real life Feldspar can be a mix of 3 so called endmembers:
K-feldspar = KAlSi3O8 Albite = NaAlSi3O8 Anorthite = CaAl2Si2O8
So we got Aluminium as a major contender for Tritanium.
Quote: Plagioclase is a very important series of tectosilicate minerals within the feldspar family. Rather than referring to a particular mineral with a specific chemical composition, plagioclase is a solid solution series, more properly known as the plagioclase feldspar series (from the Greek "oblique fracture", in reference to its two cleavage angles). The series ranges from albite to anorthite endmembers (with respective compositions NaAlSi3O8 to CaAl2Si2O8), where sodium and calcium atoms can substitute for each other in the mineral's crystal lattice structure.
Labradorite = Isogen? ******************** Moral is only usefull so far as society demands it from one to accept its presence.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Amala Dulvaris So all I say is...It's SCI-FI FFS....it's not MENT to make sense
You have no idea what "science fiction" means, do you? "Making sense" is what separates sci-fi from fantasy. Just because something's set in the future or in space doesn't mean it's sci-fi. Star Wars is a good example of fantasy in space.
Till now I thought noone gets this.You are my hero.Star Wars and Flash Gordon are indeed not Sci-Fi, they are space operas.Not classical fantasy but very close to it.
War. War never changes.
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Thkar
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Posted - 2008.11.16 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ruciza Edited by: Ruciza on 13/11/2008 13:55:41 Maybe we simply define what mins are what elements in this thread. For instance, looking at wiki, real life Feldspar can be a mix of 3 so called endmembers:
K-feldspar = KAlSi3O8 Albite = NaAlSi3O8 Anorthite = CaAl2Si2O8
So we got Aluminium as a major contender for Tritanium.
Quote: Plagioclase is a very important series of tectosilicate minerals within the feldspar family. Rather than referring to a particular mineral with a specific chemical composition, plagioclase is a solid solution series, more properly known as the plagioclase feldspar series (from the Greek "oblique fracture", in reference to its two cleavage angles). The series ranges from albite to anorthite endmembers (with respective compositions NaAlSi3O8 to CaAl2Si2O8), where sodium and calcium atoms can substitute for each other in the mineral's crystal lattice structure.
Huge bonus points to those of you who found out that the in game ores are based on real life materials. I worked at an environmental lab looking at this stuff under a microscope, so I thought the names of the ores were cool years ago :) |
MooKids
Caldari Dark Echo Engineering
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Posted - 2008.11.17 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: MooKids on 17/11/2008 00:32:12
Originally by: Menzisu Uiru Maybe when civilization collapsed and was subsequently rebuilt again, different names were given to the same materials?
That and I think about 20 thousand years will tend to change things. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Ghost Silent
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Posted - 2008.11.17 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Elhina Novae But, but, but I play runescape and I can mine iron there why can't I en EVE!?!
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Brego Tralowski
Gallente Forever Night
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Posted - 2008.11.17 05:59:00 -
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well having recently visited the Natural history museum in london, guess what i saw?
Pyerite, yes thats right, it exists! I didnt spot any of the others, but they had a huge lump of it, its kinda gold/silver in colour.
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Lord Timelord
Point of No Return Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.17 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Timelord on 17/11/2008 08:05:06 Actually... I believe all of you are incorrect!
Aren't most Science Fiction Asteroids made out of the common materials of Styrofoam, Cardboard, and Plaster?
*EDIT* "Planet Hell" reference to Star Trek TNG for anyone who's watched the extras. |
TheBlueMonkey
Gallente UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.11.17 09:57:00 -
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Sci-Fi |
Cheru'bael
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2008.11.17 11:20:00 -
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gotta love posting new topics while under the influence |
Ray Rayquaza
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Posted - 2008.11.17 12:17:00 -
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It's just a game people, it doesn't have to match everything exactly as we have here on Earth. As some have pointed out the minerals are based on real life ones and there are many possibilities why their names have changed.
Also, I think some people need to look up the definition of Science Fiction, here's a piece from wiki just to help clear it up:
"Science fiction (abbreviated SF or sci-fi with varying punctuation and capitalization) is a broad genre of fiction that often involves speculations based on current or future science or technology. Science fiction is found in books, art, television, films, games, theatre, and other media. In organizational or marketing contexts, science fiction can be synonymous with the broader definition of speculative fiction, encompassing creative works incorporating imaginative elements not found in contemporary reality; this includes fantasy, horror, and related genres.
Science fiction differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation). Exploring the consequences of such differences is the traditional purpose of science fiction, making it a "literature of ideas". Science fiction is largely based on writing entertainingly and rationally about alternate possibilities in settings that are contrary to known reality.
These may include:
* A setting in the future, in alternative time lines, or in a historical past that contradicts known facts of history or the archeological record * A setting in outer space, on other worlds, or involving aliens * Stories that involve technology or scientific principles that contradict known laws of nature * Stories that involve discovery or application of new scientific principles, such as time travel or psionics, or new technology, such as nanotechnology, faster-than-light travel or robots, or of new and different political or social systems
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Juraka Furo
Caldari Truly Epic
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Posted - 2008.11.17 13:34:00 -
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Scordite = Scorodite Kernite = Kernite Hemorphite = Hemimorphite Hedbergite = Hedenbergite Veldspar = Feldspar Plagioclase = Plagioclase Pyroxeres = Pyroxene
OP, you fail
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Korbann
Domini Umbrus R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Juraka Furo Scordite = Scorodite Kernite = Kernite Hemorphite = Hemimorphite Hedbergite = Hedenbergite Veldspar = Feldspar Plagioclase = Plagioclase Pyroxeres = Pyroxene
OP, you fail
No, you fail. Pretty sure he's talking about Trit, Pyre, Mex, Iso, Nocx, Morphite, Mega, Zyd (Which is 8 btw) |
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Hellinthose
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Posted - 2008.11.17 21:02:00 -
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Not only do i agree and not agree with you at the same time, but this is not even the correct forum to use.
Game is not a sim. Do not make it a sim. Reprograming said game to make these changes would take a lot... A LOT... of work and therefore will not happen on the whims of a few people.
Use the game development forum. |
Psychotic Penguin
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.22 05:59:00 -
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we can't even agree on naming iron the same on this planet, it is only called iron in English in different languages it has different names, so why is it so difficult for people to imagine it being called something else in a different galaxy in the future?
if the ores are based on rock types on this planet then the minerals properly are as well. ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination. |
Nicola Sardonicus
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Posted - 2008.11.22 21:02:00 -
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There are far more important things for CCP to address in this game; this is just a waste of time. ____________________________________
War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength. |
Silkiah
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Posted - 2008.11.23 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: FeCralloy am i the only person that thinks its silly to mine ore (like scordite), and refine it to something called pyerite? pyerite is supposedly a mineral, its a knockoff of pyrite, which in RL is... IRON ORE! wouldnt it be better if we mined pyrite asteroids which refined to mostly iron? thats why i am making this topic to discuss my idea: replace the 7 lame minerals with all of the naturally occuring elements on the periodic table. each roid yields different proportions of each element. sure BP bill of materials would be more complicated but it would be much more fun and way more awesome. So what do yall think?
Well, if you want to change the game that much.... can I have your stuff?
Silkiah
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Juraka Furo
Caldari Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.11.23 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Korbann
Originally by: Juraka Furo Scordite = Scorodite Kernite = Kernite Hemorphite = Hemimorphite Hedbergite = Hedenbergite Veldspar = Feldspar Plagioclase = Plagioclase Pyroxeres = Pyroxene
OP, you fail
No, you fail. Pretty sure he's talking about Trit, Pyre, Mex, Iso, Nocx, Morphite, Mega, Zyd (Which is 8 btw)
I didn't look through the other lists to see if there were similarities for our minerals as well. The point that I was making, however, is that if those that I mentioned are obviously stemmed from real-life names of ores, it's not too far to imagine that the minerals also have names derived from real-life names.
Tritanium is easy, that's from Titanium. The others... =/ can't think of any because I'm stupid when it comes to remembering names. But I wouldn't be suprised.
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