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Skylar Vodkabar
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Posted - 2008.11.10 04:19:00 -
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Basically looking for the most cost-effective method to pop a Hulk and such. Been seeing a a ton of Macros around Molden Heath and Derelik just mining away.
They mine for 10 mins or until tank is about to break, warp to station and come back. Since CCP won't take a stance, and i have filed 2 petitions with no help, i'm just gonna take it upon myself.
So please, post your ships/fittings/tactics against these mindless slaves.
And here's one you can happily Pop. Derelik Region, Sasta Solar Sytem, Hulk: logitcho
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.10 05:10:00 -
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Gank Brutix is cheap and effective, but if you're talking High Sec, screw it. Other than to make a point there's no reason to suicide macros.
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Daquaris
Caldari Novus Aevum Transport and Industries Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.11.10 08:07:00 -
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I'll keep an eye out, thanks. Careful tho, some of us legitimately mine out there.
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Skylar Vodkabar
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Posted - 2008.11.10 14:53:00 -
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Well I do look at my targets and try to convo with them 4 times, and ask in local. But 30 mins of mining and warp ins and outs with no replies only means its a macro.
And yea its high-sec, good job CCP for protecting the very people who devalue the game.
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Nexus Kinnon
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.11.10 15:35:00 -
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join the channel macrointel in game
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.11.10 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar Well I do look at my targets and try to convo with them 4 times, and ask in local. But 30 mins of mining and warp ins and outs with no replies only means its a macro.
That's a reach for a conclusion if you ask me. Personally if I mine that means I'm also doing something else in the background (like RL work), so I switch off my local and whatnot so I don't get distracted. And constant warp-ins and -outs is what mining is all about... Mining is mindless enough to where I don't need to, nor do I want to, be an active participant in it, especially in hisec. That means I would choose to simply ignore someone like you, but it doesn't mean I'm a macro miner.
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London Broil
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Posted - 2008.11.10 16:05:00 -
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I agree with dracthera. Most the time while i mine, i spend it watching tv, glancing back at my PC, checking my hold's status and then watching tv again. It's unlikely i ever look at local, nor do i pay too much attention except for the little numbers on my hold. So you can try to get me through local, and if you're trying to convo me i might think you're a can-flipper whose trying to distract me with some noob question and pretend you're a noob, so i'd just ignore the convo.
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Cat Molina
Minmatar Psychotic Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: London Broil I agree with dracthera. Most the time while i mine, i spend it watching tv, glancing back at my PC, checking my hold's status and then watching tv again. It's unlikely i ever look at local, nor do i pay too much attention except for the little numbers on my hold. So you can try to get me through local, and if you're trying to convo me i might think you're a can-flipper whose trying to distract me with some noob question and pretend you're a noob, so i'd just ignore the convo.
You don't deserve a ship. Any ship.
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PhantomMajor
Minmatar De-Medusa Industries.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 19:31:00 -
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another tip for spotting a macro is if there are rats near it but they don't attack and the mining ship in question doesn't have drones deployed.
yet strangely when you show up the rats attack you ignoring the mining ship which is closer.
as for not paying attention in local, well that's fine but if you get someone shooting you i hope your tank is good otherwise, you'll be sheding CB tears.
Ladies and gentlemen, we will shortly be experiencing some exploding followed by some crashing...so i'd hold on if i were you! |
Marius Deterium
Caldari The Hull Miners Union
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Posted - 2008.11.10 19:35:00 -
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Who cares if they are macros, shooting miners is ALWAYS fun.
--- Mining hulls for the juicy goods inside.
Good...bad, I'm the guy with the gun. |
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.10 20:16:00 -
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I think I side with Cat Molina in this case. To me, it sounds like Dracthera and London Broil are macros; their program in this case is simply written in wetware instread of C/C++/VB/...
MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching |
Skylar Vodkabar
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Posted - 2008.11.10 20:21:00 -
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Yea, the Hulk in question never deploys drones. Go check him out, he's always in Sasta all the time just mining away.
logitcho
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ArcDragon
Caldari FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.11.10 21:39:00 -
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If the macro miner is not targeting the asteroid you are mining, then what harm is the macro miner doing?
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.11.10 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: MailDeadDrop I think I side with Cat Molina in this case. To me, it sounds like Dracthera and London Broil are macros; their program in this case is simply written in wetware instread of C/C++/VB/...
MDD
Yes, I'm a macro miner who doesn't use macros... Guess that just makes me a miner. I never said I don't watch my overview, just local. Local won't tell me anything about someone starting to shoot at me, so what's the point? I can certainly see if someone shows up and starts to target me, at which point I'll take the necessary precautions. Are we playing the same game? Does your local tell you when you're being targeted and attacked? Didn't think so... |
Cat Molina
Minmatar Psychotic Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera - you think it'll bother me that a few 0.5 rats plink at me?
It will probably bother you when someone mistakes you for a macro-miner and blows up your ship.
I've mined in the past with a cargo-rig expanded Hulk. It tends to look similar to the current macro's. So I do things to ensure people know there's a pilot at the controls, and that pilot is watching them.
Kill the rats around you. Yes, they can't get through your defenses, but that macro-hunter sure can. If rats target someone else in the belt, I still kill them. Shows you're on the ball and watching what's going on.
You don't have to talk in local while mining (I tend to do paperwork on the other monitor), but a simple wave in local makes people know you're active. Especially when someone enters your grid.
Respond to convos and being locked. These are the last tests a macro-hunter will perform before blowing your expensive ship to bits.
Have a bio page... even if your miner character is an alt.
Always be ****ing aligned, and have the escape point selected so you only have to hit the warp button. Never allow a rock between you and your warp-out vector.
Check local every minute or so. Not just for text; see if someone new has entered system. Check their age, their sec status, corp description, etc. Get to know the regulars (which should be easy if you're mining in a backwater with little traffic... which you should).
You probably wouldn't do it, but even while working on paperwork on the other monitor, I tend to hit the scan button at least once a minute. A habit from low-sec and 0.0. If you see ships capable of ganking yours, narrow down their location. A 1.5 year old pilot in a Brutix, with a sec status of -1.92, has no business hopping belts in a 0.8 system... unless he's ganking miners. Be ready.
I've never lost a mining ship. Including the Navatis frigate I used to ninja-mine in EC-P8R.
But you're not going to listen to me...are you? You're going to reply with "That's stupid. I mine to relax, not to engage in some paranoid fantasy that everyone is out to get me. I don't have to do that crap."
And you're right. You don't have to do that. But eventually, if you maintain your course, you'll be popped. Don't get upset when it happens. You sacrificed your ship's safety for television... it was only a matter of time. |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cat Molina But you're not going to listen to me...are you? You're going to reply with "That's stupid. I mine to relax, not to engage in some paranoid fantasy that everyone is out to get me. I don't have to do that crap."
You're right on the first account. Doing what you do, while very prudent, doesn't necessarily mean that doing what I do will lead to my eventual destruction.
Originally by: Cat Molina And you're right. You don't have to do that. But eventually, if you maintain your course, you'll be popped. Don't get upset when it happens. You sacrificed your ship's safety for television... it was only a matter of time.
Meh, it's only ISK. I can afford to lose a few hundred million ISK. I've made billions in the meantime, and it's just a game after all. It's a trade-off I'm willing to accept. I don't mine exclusively in any event, and most of the mining I do is mission mining, so even less of a chance of losing my Hulk. |
Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.11 00:03:00 -
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I dont see whay EVERYONE (miner) doesnt launch drones to klill the rats.
I get a replacement T1 Drone about every 5 rats now so it isnt killing my isk to purchase the drones. And the extra isk from the bounties is always welcome, no matter how small the bounty.
Why wouldnt you do this - and it proves you are not Macro'ing?
And it would stop you getting ganked by all the people who think your a macro! |
Kardath
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Posted - 2008.11.11 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar Well I do look at my targets and try to convo with them 4 times, and ask in local. But 30 mins of mining and warp ins and outs with no replies only means its a macro.
And yea its high-sec, good job CCP for protecting the very people who devalue the game.
Not true. I don't want to deal with can flippers so I don't jet can. I set my auto reject on and completely ignore local chat. I watch tv/movies read a book or something else while I mine. For me this method is a nice quiet time for me to relax as it takes no concentration on any thing. So in your eyes I would be a macro but I am sitting there controlling everything and just ignoring everything around me while I mine my veld and scordite.
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.11.11 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen I dont see whay EVERYONE (miner) doesnt launch drones to klill the rats.
I get a replacement T1 Drone about every 5 rats now so it isnt killing my isk to purchase the drones. And the extra isk from the bounties is always welcome, no matter how small the bounty.
Why wouldnt you do this - and it proves you are not Macro'ing?
And it would stop you getting ganked by all the people who think your a macro!
a. I don't have to kill the rats. Sometimes I do, other times I just don't bother. It takes me longer to take out my drones and put them back in than it does to kill the rats. I've never lost one of my T2 drones to rats - like I said, the 0.5 rats normally do 0 damage to my shielded Hulk, and if I want to swat them away my drones have no issues. Sometimes I also do a bit of chaining if I get an officer rat, so in that case I want to keep the rats alive. b. I don't need to prove to anyone that I'm not macro'ing since I'm not. c. I've never gotten ganked by anyone who thought I was using a macro. d. As I mentioned before, I do watch my overview and start paying attention once I see people jumping in around me, and take appropriate action at that point. e. Why do you care how I mine? Just because you don't understand the behavior of other players doesn't mean it's any of your concern.
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Skylar Vodkabar
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Posted - 2008.11.12 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kardath
Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar Well I do look at my targets and try to convo with them 4 times, and ask in local. But 30 mins of mining and warp ins and outs with no replies only means its a macro.
And yea its high-sec, good job CCP for protecting the very people who devalue the game.
Not true. I don't want to deal with can flippers so I don't jet can. I set my auto reject on and completely ignore local chat. I watch tv/movies read a book or something else while I mine. For me this method is a nice quiet time for me to relax as it takes no concentration on any thing. So in your eyes I would be a macro but I am sitting there controlling everything and just ignoring everything around me while I mine my veld and scordite.
Next thing you know, CCP will nerf the auto-mine. You'll have to manually hit each cycle every 3 mins :)
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LolCaldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar
Next thing you know, CCP will nerf the auto-mine. You'll have to manually hit each cycle every 3 mins :)
this would probably hurt real miners more than macros |
Hiryu Jin
Caldari Newbies On Xstacy
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Cat Molina But you're not going to listen to me...are you? You're going to reply with "That's stupid. I mine to relax, not to engage in some paranoid fantasy that everyone is out to get me. I don't have to do that crap."
You're right on the first account. Doing what you do, while very prudent, doesn't necessarily mean that doing what I do will lead to my eventual destruction.
Originally by: Cat Molina And you're right. You don't have to do that. But eventually, if you maintain your course, you'll be popped. Don't get upset when it happens. You sacrificed your ship's safety for television... it was only a matter of time.
Meh, it's only ISK. I can afford to lose a few hundred million ISK. I've made billions in the meantime, and it's just a game after all. It's a trade-off I'm willing to accept. I don't mine exclusively in any event, and most of the mining I do is mission mining, so even less of a chance of losing my Hulk.
Where do you mine?
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.12 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar
Originally by: Kardath
Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar Well I do look at my targets and try to convo with them 4 times, and ask in local. But 30 mins of mining and warp ins and outs with no replies only means its a macro.
And yea its high-sec, good job CCP for protecting the very people who devalue the game.
Not true. I don't want to deal with can flippers so I don't jet can. I set my auto reject on and completely ignore local chat. I watch tv/movies read a book or something else while I mine. For me this method is a nice quiet time for me to relax as it takes no concentration on any thing. So in your eyes I would be a macro but I am sitting there controlling everything and just ignoring everything around me while I mine my veld and scordite.
Next thing you know, CCP will nerf the auto-mine. You'll have to manually hit each cycle every 3 mins :)
That's not going to stop macro-mining. Just makes them add one more additonal instruction to there routine.
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AdmiralDovolski
Gallente N.A.S.A. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.11.12 18:13:00 -
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something just occured to me. if they are macros being attacked by rats, why not just grab a cruiser with neuts and hit em with a burst?
this will turn off the tank and if its a dumb macro, it might not turn back on, so the rats kill it.
i dunno, just thought it might be a cheap alternative to a smartbomb BS.
either that or a stealth bomber
still, this is just what i think. you still wont know where the sig is tho |
ShadowMaiden
Amarr Metal Machine
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Posted - 2008.11.12 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar Well I do look at my targets and try to convo with them 4 times, and ask in local. But 30 mins of mining and warp ins and outs with no replies only means its a macro.
And yea its high-sec, good job CCP for protecting the very people who devalue the game.
So because someone has the downright temerity not to respond to your convo request, that makes them a macro? Please take your self-importance and narrow minded bigotry back to WoW.
I wish I was a 3ft doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Cat Molina
Minmatar Psychotic Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowMaiden So because someone has the downright temerity not to respond to your convo request, that makes them a macro? Please take your self-importance and narrow minded bigotry back to WoW.
I'd think it just makes them AFK/semi-AFK and therefore 'easy pickings' for a gank... whether they're a macro or not.
Disclaimer: I don't gank miners, but if I did, I'd want to select the soft squishy ones.
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Juraka Furo
Caldari Truly Epic
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Posted - 2008.11.13 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon If the macro miner is not targeting the asteroid you are mining, then what harm is the macro miner doing?
Please be as in depth as you possibly can.
You must be:
1) Really stupid.
OR
2) Pretending to be really stupid.
Either way, I suggest you stop it nao.
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Daoi Sith
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Posted - 2008.11.13 15:36:00 -
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e. Why do you care how I mine? - Drac
^^ this
if you think Drac is a macro. pop him and get concordokkened. then when you see him again, pop him again. we will see who gets tired of losing ships first and how pointless this entire thread derail is.
if someone wants to pop a hulk and claim it was a macro, they just want to pop a hulk and have come up with an expedient reason. take away the reason and they will find another. claiming its a macro just makes them feel better about themselves.
to the OP, popping a hulk in hisec is tough. they can have decent tanks.
also, why do you expect CCP to take action just because you are annoyed ?
they have no reliable way to tell if its a macro. the very act of mining is monotonous and the difference between a macro and player is negligible. (hint, mining lasers have a fixed cycle, so real players frequently finish and dock at the same interval as a macro)
if a miner has determined its more efficient to dock when shields are low rather than release drones, wtf do you care ? and why should CCP do anything at all ?
you pirate wannabes whine more than carebears
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Daoi Sith
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Posted - 2008.11.13 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Juraka Furo
Originally by: ArcDragon If the macro miner is not targeting the asteroid you are mining, then what harm is the macro miner doing?
Please be as in depth as you possibly can.
You must be:
1) Really stupid.
OR
2) Pretending to be really stupid.
Either way, I suggest you stop it nao.
im going to go out on a limb and say you probably werent as in depth as he was asking for
its a valid question and apparently the challenge of answering it is beyond you
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GateScout
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Posted - 2008.11.13 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar Well I do look at my targets and try to convo with them 4 times, and ask in local. But 30 mins of mining and warp ins and outs with no replies only means its a macro.
Not at all.
I don't pay attention to my high-sec mining alt. I throw her hulk into a belt, lock up some roids, turn on the lasers...and go back to my main. When I have a chance, I check back, relock roids and repeat until I'm full....then I return to station. If there are rats around, I kill them.
Convos are blocked...but you can always mail me, and you'll eventually get a reply.
Just because I don't respond to your convos (which are blocked) or your chat in local (which I never look at anyway)....does not mean I'm a macro.
Here's how to find macros...or at least increase your probability of correctly identifying a macro:
Go to an ice field. Ice doesn't pop, so you'll have macros in there that never have to change targets.
Look for odd names like "llkyr"
Look at the employment history.
Check their bio....
Look for wrecks. ...see who did the killing. Macros don't pop rats.
Convos aren't a good method for determining who's a macro and who is a real player.
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