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Kara Mitsui
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:08:00 -
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Since interceptors are obviously going to be big again with the web nerf, I have been playing with my crow a lot more. I then realized that the crow is the only damage interceptor that is out-damaged by a t1 counter-part (the kestrel).
Seems sort of silly we have the taranis dealing out cruiser levels of damage and the crow can't even out damage one of its T1 cousins.
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Nexus Kinnon
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:09:00 -
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:10:00 -
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Its been true a long time.
Its one of those deals where the devs just have it in for a ship.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:14:00 -
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Hmm just use the unbonused turret slots those are better than missiles anyway.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight Hmm just use the unbonused turret slots those are better than missiles anyway.
Er, no?
While I wouldn't mind Crow getting a extra launcher, the real win point about standards is their range.
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:16:00 -
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No worries! Crow has a fourth high slot, just fit a T2 neutron blaster there and presto! You have better EFT numbers than the Kestrel. There, everything fixed! -- Gradient forum |
Kara Mitsui
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow No worries! Crow has a fourth high slot, just fit a T2 neutron blaster there and presto! You have better EFT numbers than the Kestrel. There, everything fixed!
WTB 10PG
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow No worries! Crow has a fourth high slot, just fit a T2 neutron blaster there and presto! You have better EFT numbers than the Kestrel. There, everything fixed!
Mmmm. This is incredibly useful in 20-24km orbit.
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Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Mitsui Since interceptors are obviously going to be big again with the web nerf, I have been playing with my crow a lot more. I then realized that the crow is the only damage interceptor that is out-damaged by a t1 counter-part (the kestrel).
Seems sort of silly we have the taranis dealing out cruiser levels of damage and the crow can't even out damage one of its T1 cousins.
The condor is the Crow's T1 counterpart, not the Kestrel... and the Crow outdamages the Condor. --
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:26:00 -
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Crow will be the only damage interceptor which cannot tank, cannot deal lots of damage. So despite me not having actual facts, I tend to say the Crow will be sub-par after QR patch.
Light Missiles still cannot damage other frigates, and dps of rockets is laughable
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Mitsui
Originally by: Theron Gyrow No worries! Crow has a fourth high slot, just fit a T2 neutron blaster there and presto! You have better EFT numbers than the Kestrel. There, everything fixed!
WTB 10PG
drop your mwd...
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Crow will be the only damage interceptor which cannot tank, cannot deal lots of damage. So despite me not having actual facts, I tend to say the Crow will be sub-par after QR patch.
It was ALWAYS inferior for anti-ceptor work really, and no damage interceptors tank anyway. The thing the Crow was and is good at are lolsolokills vs larger ships and such.
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Light Missiles still cannot damage other frigates
Whut? Just web them. You have 3 mids, don't you?
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
, and dps of rockets is laughable
Can't dispute that, their gain over light missiles is laughably low while they suffer a huge range drop.
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko It was ALWAYS inferior for anti-ceptor work really, and no damage interceptors tank anyway. The thing the Crow was and is good at are lolsolokills vs larger ships and such.
QR patch is already there so I don't look back onto the "old stats". With afterburner fits damage ceptors will be able to tank and I guess we will see at least some setups that involve an armor repair. The damage control of a taranis I also count as tank. Aswell as plates of minnie ceptors.
And with new tracking formula every damage ceptor should be able to solokill bigger targets (apart from them having neutralizer).
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Light Missiles still cannot damage other frigates
Whut? Just web them. You have 3 mids, don't you?
Getting into web range would negate the only real advantage of light missiles so that isn't an option.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Knight on 10/11/2008 13:48:56
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Whut? Just web them. You have 3 mids, don't you?
If you have to web them then you dont need light missiles for range ,do you?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
QR patch is already there so I don't look back onto the "old stats". With afterburner fits damage ceptors will be able to tank
You meant 'die horribly'. Tip, they actually nerfed afterburning ceptors on SISI, with the sig radius bonus now only working on MWDs. Besides, no interceptor can tank worth a damn.
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
The damage control of a taranis I also count as tank. Aswell as plates of minnie ceptors.
Valid point on taranis, but plated Minmatar interceptor are failboats.
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
And with new tracking formula every damage ceptor should be able to solokill bigger targets (apart from them having neutralizer).
No. AFs will do that. Short range interceptors get absolutely omgslaughtered by a pack of lights. They get totally murdered if the target uses any sort of neutralizers, or ECM drones.
Also, there is no new tracking formula, lol.
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Light Missiles still cannot damage other frigates
Whut? Just web them. You have 3 mids, don't you?
Getting into web range would negate the only real advantage of light missiles so that isn't an option.
True, but the fact that you outrange other frigate weapon systems means that you can slowly grind them down even if they reduce your damage, because they're hitting you for 0. On the other hand ,if they do close range into webrange, you will hit them just fine.
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royal killer
Amarr Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.10 14:03:00 -
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Man, what happend to the good ol' endless spamming rocket missile crows ? since speed rigs will be kind of useless (one aguility one or something might help tho) and you can fitt a velocity bonus rig on it ?
No I don't fly crows, just giving some ideas here --------------------
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E Vile
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.11.10 14:13:00 -
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T1 version of a crow is NOT a Kestral. It is a CONDOR. Kestral T2 is The Stealth bomber.
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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.11.10 15:14:00 -
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dont be a ***** and use rockets w/ a 250mm arty - FRIGANK|FRIGANK 2 |
Kara Mitsui
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Posted - 2008.11.10 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Originally by: Kara Mitsui Since interceptors are obviously going to be big again with the web nerf, I have been playing with my crow a lot more. I then realized that the crow is the only damage interceptor that is out-damaged by a t1 counter-part (the kestrel).
Seems sort of silly we have the taranis dealing out cruiser levels of damage and the crow can't even out damage one of its T1 cousins.
The condor is the Crow's T1 counterpart, not the Kestrel... and the Crow outdamages the Condor.
No, all other damage interceptors (the ones that don't have the warp scram range bonus) out damage ALL of the t1 frigs for their races, not just their t1 counterpart, except for the crow which is out damaged by the kestrel. Also, for those saying "lol fit a blaster", kestrel still edges out the crow even with a t2 neutron and blaster spec 4, barely.
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Don J
Doom Guard
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Posted - 2008.11.10 21:51:00 -
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Nerf the Kestrel and all will be well.
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Lili Lu
Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Originally by: Kara Mitsui Since interceptors are obviously going to be big again with the web nerf, I have been playing with my crow a lot more. I then realized that the crow is the only damage interceptor that is out-damaged by a t1 counter-part (the kestrel).
Seems sort of silly we have the taranis dealing out cruiser levels of damage and the crow can't even out damage one of its T1 cousins.
The condor is the Crow's T1 counterpart, not the Kestrel... and the Crow outdamages the Condor.
This.
(hey, Tri )
And your Kara your whine is so timely. Your light missiles have always suffered from tracking and range problems. Must be why I see so few Crow's in combat.
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Kara Mitsui
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Mitsui on 10/11/2008 22:13:49
Originally by: Lili Lu
Originally by: Ralara
Originally by: Kara Mitsui Since interceptors are obviously going to be big again with the web nerf, I have been playing with my crow a lot more. I then realized that the crow is the only damage interceptor that is out-damaged by a t1 counter-part (the kestrel).
Seems sort of silly we have the taranis dealing out cruiser levels of damage and the crow can't even out damage one of its T1 cousins.
The condor is the Crow's T1 counterpart, not the Kestrel... and the Crow outdamages the Condor.
This.
(hey, Tri )
And your Kara your whine is so timely. Your light missiles have always suffered from tracking and range problems. Must be why I see so few Crow's in combat.
Have you used a missile on sisi?
Also this isn't the point. I am not arguing one ceptor is more OP or anything. I just think a T2 frig that costs 15M should out damage a t1 frig that costs 250k, especially when all other damage ceptors do for the other races. |
Nicholas DW
Infusion. G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:28:00 -
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Oh for christsake, the Crow has been the best 'ceptor in game forever, you ****ing Caldari muppets with cry about anything.
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Kara Mitsui
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas DW Oh for christsake, the Crow has been the best 'ceptor in game forever, you ****ing Caldari muppets with cry about anything.
With the web nerf, the taranis is king. The only thing holding it back from dealing its ludacris damage was 90% webs which are no longer in the game.
This is not the point of the post. I want my 15M isk t2 ceptor to out damage a t1 frig from the same race. All others do, why can't mine?
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Brodde Dim
Unseen University
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Mitsui This is not the point of the post. I want my 15M isk t2 ceptor to out damage a t1 frig from the same race. All others do, why can't mine?
A guardian will find it hard to out damage a omen. And still it is a lot more expensive.
But they are totally different ships...oh wai...
If it would end the whinig I wouldnt mind changing the crows skills to give it a rocket damage bonus instead of the missile ones. Make it a close and personal high damage dealer. But I bet a lot of other crow pilots would mind. Giving it a 4th launcher and 33% more damage at 60km would be to much though.
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Kara Mitsui
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim
Originally by: Kara Mitsui This is not the point of the post. I want my 15M isk t2 ceptor to out damage a t1 frig from the same race. All others do, why can't mine?
A guardian will find it hard to out damage a omen. And still it is a lot more expensive.
But they are totally different ships...oh wai...
yeah because like the guardian the crow isn't suppose to deal damage... oh wai...
The bonus from the crow is applied to rockets or missiles, and adding a 4th launcher would increase dps, but it would still do lower dps than the taranis, claw and crusader.
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Leon vanUber
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Mitsui
With the web nerf, the taranis is king. The only thing holding it back from dealing its ludacris damage was 90% webs which are no longer in the game.
The 90% web MADE the Taranis king of combat ceptors. GL catching a crow with a 13km 60% web. 10.8km warpscram range is the alternative, but definately more difficult to catch another ceptor with. I have been fitting a warpscram and a web to my taranis for ages.
And FFS stop comparing the crow with the kestrel, the crow is the t2 version of the condor.
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Kara Mitsui
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Leon vanUber
Originally by: Kara Mitsui
With the web nerf, the taranis is king. The only thing holding it back from dealing its ludacris damage was 90% webs which are no longer in the game.
The 90% web MADE the Taranis king of combat ceptors. GL catching a crow with a 13km 60% web. 10.8km warpscram range is the alternative, but definately more difficult to catch another ceptor with. I have been fitting a warpscram and a web to my taranis for ages.
And FFS stop comparing the crow with the kestrel, the crow is the t2 version of the condor.
THATS NOT THE F'ING POINT. ALL OTHER DAMAGE INTERCEPTORS (CLAW, CRUSADER, TARANIS) OUT DAMAGE ALL THE OTHER FRIGS THEIR RACES HAVE TO OFFER.
Its a tech2 damaging frigate, but it can't out damage a t1 frig.
Sure your taranis is going to struggle vs interceptors, but you now are great at killing larger ships because they can't web you. I have killed three zealots on sisi with my ranis because the taranis does incredible damage and the zealot has no drone bay, so it has no way of killing me since the web nerf.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 10/11/2008 23:11:45
Originally by: Kara Mitsui Since interceptors are obviously going to be big again with the web nerf, I have been playing with my crow a lot more. I then realized that the crow is the only damage interceptor that is out-damaged by a t1 counter-part (the kestrel).
Seems sort of silly we have the taranis dealing out cruiser levels of damage and the crow can't even out damage one of its T1 cousins.
So wait, you're comparing a slow damage modded taranis with blasters fitted to a crow that has long range missiles fitted and no damage mod?
Atleast do us a favor and fit rockets + dmg mod and then compare. And the dps of a rocket crow is not THAT bad if you consider the range.
Besides 4th launcher would do ZERO for its inty killing capabilities. You know alot of people do rig their inties with cheap rigs to make the perform. How about some explo velo rigs and precision missiles? Just an idea...
I do agree that rockets are THE worst weapon system out there. They really really need to buff rof on rockets. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
Lysander Krieg
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:14:00 -
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How is this for a strange concept, use it for what it was designed to do, hold other ships down whilst BIGGER ships that have DPS rock in a blast the crap out of the target. Just a thought......
It is a tin foil ship that if it flies close to a bright object you can see through it, thus is the purpose of an interceptor, light and fast and able to hold a target down, will you die more with this patch? Perhaps, maybe, but then, you could always fly one of the many other ships in EvE.
I fly a Crow, and I don't think it needs either a fourth missile slot or a dps boost.
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