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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:16:00 -
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At this point no. We don't have the capacity to micromanage people who want securities held within EBANK.
However I should point out that anyone as the ability to use EBANK as a collateral fund. Lets say you start a new IPO and want to place 500m as collateral. Have Kazzac (as guarantor) open a shared account and give you deposit level access. You can then wire the funds there and they are now formally secured and you can still see them there.
At this point Shared accounts don't gather interest but this should be changing very shortly. The interest rate may not be quite as much as a standard account, however it's the perfect portal for securities or even corporate/alliance entities wanting a way to formally handle their payroll systems, save for that new Titan etc. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:16:00 -
[182]
I doubt EBANK will do anything.
If they want a good product they have to be like a Swiss bank.
They might not like their clients but they have to keep the information confidential and provide the service.
They do have a right to not create a bank account for a known scammer, or kick a scammer out with his/her cash.
If EBANK can "Nationalize' accounts that would set a a bad precedent.
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Forceflow
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Forceflow on 08/01/2009 04:22:51
Edited by: Forceflow on 08/01/2009 04:19:31
/edit for useless infomation.
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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:42:00 -
[184]
 Originally by: Ricdic
I should point out that anyone as the ability to use EBANK as a collateral fund. Lets say you start a new IPO and want to place 500m as collateral. Have Kazzac (as guarantor) open a shared account and give you deposit level access. You can then wire the funds there and they are now formally secured and you can still see them there.
At this point Shared accounts don't gather interest but this should be changing very shortly.
Good to know. |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 10:52:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out. 
Pic 1
Pic 2
\o/
Just a quick question if I may Galligher. Apart from the obvious - financial gain - were there any other motivations behind this quite intricate scam? |
MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:55:00 -
[186]
What made this scam intricate anyway? Did he put weeks of work into, start his own web page with mass mailing to sucker folks into it?
Anyway dosnt seem like anything special in the way of scams. I didnt really look at it as I dont much like low sec operations.
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:03:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Captain Pompous on 08/01/2009 13:07:38
Originally by: MilowFV
What made this scam intricate anyway? Did he put weeks of work into, start his own web page with mass mailing to sucker folks into it?
Anyway dosnt seem like anything special in the way of scams. I didnt really look at it as I dont much like low sec operations.
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 15:50:00 -
[188]
This is probably the easiest way to make ISK in the game. I'm actually surprised we don't see it even more often. People spend 10x the effort in suicide ganks. And this is actually a lot less work, and really easy to pull off. Also there's no real way to get revenge. Podding a guy a few times is never going to do 15 billion in damage (also with no risks of your own, since a scam has no risks for the scammer really).
I wish there was a way to get financial revenge on people in this game, or some other way to do 15 billion dollars of damage in some other equivalent way. |
Kw1jybo
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:01:00 -
[189]
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high? |
Xabier
Amarr
THE SORORITY
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:02:00 -
[190]
Originally by: nether void
I wish there was a way to get financial revenge on people in this game, or some other way to do 15 billion dollars of damage in some other equivalent way.
Hire GHSC.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:13:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Kw1jybo
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high?
not really unless you have such wealth that the tiny payouts from the few good investments overtime outway the losses from the numerous scam/AWOL IPO's.
My own personal take is that alot of the people investing are playing the investment market of more of a game than a way to get richer and will have numerous other ventures suppling their wealth.
Also alot of people are more conserned for the overall health of the secondry market and will happily take the hits of the regular scams to keep the market alive and active.
I also have a cynical view that many of these failed/scammed IPO's are run by the some of the so called "MD Elite" through the use of alt. They have the knowledge and intellegence to get the inital investment and when it eventually fails/scams the originator of the scam is moving onto rally support and investment for their latest Alt. This is just a cynical view and I have no evidence to support such dealing but this is Eve and well thats enough to stop me trusting my hard earned Isk's to anyone but myself. |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:14:00 -
[192]
Edited by: nether void on 08/01/2009 16:19:16
Originally by: Kw1jybo
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high?
Well investing only in people who are known is much less risky. If they're brand new to public ventures, then look at how much their asking for. Scamming for like a bil is really not worth it; but 15 bil?
*edit*
Originally by: Midas Man
My own personal take is that alot of the people investing are playing the investment market of more of a game than a way to get richer and will have numerous other ventures supplying their wealth.
Also a lot of people are more concerned for the overall health of the secondary market and will happily take the hits of the regular scams to keep the market alive and active.
I agree half of it is really just for fun. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:34:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Kw1jybo
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high?
I got caught in two scams in 2007. This made me very cynical and miserable about investing. This is actually a good combination for investing on MD.
My thoughts:
1. I never invest in low sec operations (all fail)
2. I never invest in new/no rep players asking for more than 3B - too much, to soon)
3. I never invest in anyone unless I ask at least 1 question, or speak directly in game to the CEO
4. I will invest in good people, 2nd or 3rd IPO's/bonds
Why do I invest.
My plan is to have a portfolio, that earns a passive income to pay for GTC's monthly. So even if I don't play the game I have enough credit to keep my account going.
Passive is important, as it requires no work. Sure I could make much more trading, but the investment portfolio is so I don't have to.
Mainly my portfolio is diverisified
I set aside a pool for investments (half my ISK balance).
30-40% in banks
40% in safe IPO's (well known and MD trusted players)
20% for more risky adventures. Newer player IPO's that are small. |
SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:49:00 -
[194]
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 16:49:02
Originally by: Captain Pompous
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
so you are the alt of the alt |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:09:00 -
[195]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 16:49:02
Originally by: Captain Pompous
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
so you are the alt of the alt
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :) |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:13:00 -
[196]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 16:49:02
Originally by: Captain Pompous
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
so you are the alt of the alt
No I'm Spartacus |
SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:32:00 -
[197]
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 17:32:09
Originally by: Captain Pompous
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :)
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral |
Feryal Sky
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:05:00 -
[198]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 17:32:09
Originally by: Captain Pompous
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :)
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral
i.e. the Justice Friends: Major Glory, Krunk, and Valhallen in that precise order.
Waiting for a confirmation from Riethe...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 18:10:32
Originally by: Feryal Sky
Originally by: SiJira
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral
i.e. the Justice Friends: Major Glory, Krunk, and Valhallen in that precise order.
Waiting for a confirmation from Riethe...
you mean pulled a scam on one of those trusted persons?
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:32:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Feryal Sky
i.e. the Justice Friends: Major Glory, Krunk, and Valhallen in that precise order.
Waiting for a confirmation from Riethe...
I always pictured Shar as Major Glory  |
Feryal Sky
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:49:00 -
[201]
Originally by: SiJira
you mean pulled a scam on one of those trusted persons?
I am referring to the the end of an MD era, the death of the personality cult. People must learn to make their own decisions.
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
I always pictured Shar as Major Glory
Then now is the time to change that association, Kazzac 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:04:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Feryal Sky
I am referring to the the end of an MD era, the death of the personality cult. People must learn to make their own decisions.
theres always someone to point out the holes
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:23:00 -
[203]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 17:32:09
Originally by: Captain Pompous
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :)
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral
their tears would be all the sweeter, i would imagine ^^
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:24:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Feryal Sky
I am referring to the the end of an MD era, the death of the personality cult. People must learn to make their own decisions.
Probably the wisest thing in this whole thread, on a par with Galligher's MS Paint effort :D
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Saralle Zhukov
Minmatar
Win Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:00:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
There is no way for you ever to change your style of play. A leopard cannot change it's spots, and this is why I call you a thief everytime I see you in local. It is also why I oppose any dealings between yourself and Win Tech.
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Kill them all God will know his own. |
Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:07:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
There is no way for you ever to change your style of play. A leopard cannot change it's spots, and this is why I call you a thief everytime I see you in local. It is also why I oppose any dealings between yourself and Win Tech.
Why must you say such hurtful things? 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:17:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Galligher
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
There is no way for you ever to change your style of play. A leopard cannot change it's spots, and this is why I call you a thief everytime I see you in local. It is also why I oppose any dealings between yourself and Win Tech.
Why must you say such hurtful things?
does it hurt you to know that people make much more isk than you with less effort repeatedly and without having to resort to hurting people that trusted them to do it?
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:23:00 -
[208]
I'm curious to know who this guy is in real life. I've got some stereotypes I figure he fits, but would be curious to know if they match up. And no, I can't take his word to answer the questions without lying. lol
Anyway, this kind of thing makes me curious. What kind of person would scam, that is.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:41:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Galligher on 08/01/2009 21:49:57
Originally by: SiJira
does it hurt you to know that people make much more isk than you with less effort repeatedly and without having to resort to hurting people that trusted them to do it?
That just means they get none of the fun.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.09 01:53:00 -
[210]
Yes, I've been stung by scams. Every so many months I'll take on a newb's request for a hundred mil or so to get something started. Most times it's money tossed away, some times it is not. When panning for gold, you slug through a lot of mud before you find a nugget worth your time. Originally by: Galligher
That just means they get none of the fun.
I'm not going to wax upon whatever suppositions we may or may not have about the nature of your character. However, don't mistake the fact that some people not running with the money is missing out on fun. It just means we don't find that fun. As to my own pedigree, Kazuo still has my full api keys. I'm also sure a few people at eBank still have them as well. I've never ripped off Peter to pay Paul. And I'd like to think that one or two CCP employee has probably snooped my own activities in the past - just to use an alt to out me if I had done anything wrong. (Never forget that wild card there - Devs can look and Mods know who the alts really are!)
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
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