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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:51:00 -
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So, we have all heard that little moniker for the latest patch.
But in reality, its more a case of Carebear Whines.
To the MR Raven pilots: You used to earn more isk than any other 'profession' at zero risk, now you still earn good isk: but you need to put more work in to do so. Stop whining.
To 'real' pvp'ers, or those who say they are, but raise hell whenever their favourite pwnage setup gets nerfed- you are worse than the most closeted carebear. Missiles not hitting for as much damage as they used to?
Fit TP's, fit webs, fly with those who do, better still those who fly ships designed to do this.
For BS pilots that find it harder to kill frigates with large turrets, fit smartbombs, carry small drones (W 2's), fit Neuts.
Or you could just come to the realization that a smaller ship is more effective and either fly on yourself or fly with other that do.
Dont forget that everyone is in the same situation. You feel gimped that you have to change your fitting and adapt? Oh you poor precious snowflake...
You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks? There are better games suited to you than EVE out there and the game wont suffer from your loss.
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Plave Okice
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:52:00 -
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I like your post
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks?
Just thought it sounds ironic from someone in Suddenly Ninjas _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Phenomena X
Galactic PeaceMaking Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Phenomena X on 12/11/2008 11:55:15
AHH OK!!!
Thank you for putting it that way, now I wount cancell my account anymore!!
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Obsidian Dagger
Weak and Fee-bile
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: RedSplat You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks?
Just thought it sounds ironic from someone in Suddenly Ninjas
'I' was going to say that! You stole mah thoughts! You must be the guvvermint!
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Lady Farah
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:57:00 -
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Troll damage is consistent and never gets nerfed!! Train it to V and buy the advanced version asap!!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:57:00 -
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I'm thinking...jello?
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 12/11/2008 12:04:37
Originally by: RedSplat
You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks? There are better games suited to you than EVE out there and the game wont suffer from your loss.
Also it is funny as hell, since the Patch hit espeicaly hard on solo, to call it easy mode now. More risk needet is ofc the awnser(and im not talking about Nano here).
Last time I checked most of the "real PVPers" allready realised that this Patch only gives nerfes across the board and even some "Carebears" realized that they are hitten by the Nerf as well.
Besides of this I donŠt like both of the words "real PVPers" and "Cearbears" because they have been overused in so many troll and failtreads(like this one for example) quite to mutch to try backing up stupid things that never realy where true. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: RedSplat You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks?
Just thought it sounds ironic from someone in Suddenly Ninjas
Explain, i suspect your assessment of the risks we incur are skewed.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:04:00 -
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Really have to put some thought it to your setups now. You have to corporate with your gang mates and know what your role is in the gang and what other roles are to be an effective gang. Gone are the days of nano gangs FOTM gangs
It's wicked man. PVP in eve might just be fun again.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 12/11/2008 12:04:58
Originally by: The Djego
stuff; go read his post
Show me where i said EVE was easy mode post patch?
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 12/11/2008 12:07:41
Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: The Djego stuff
stuff; go read his post
Show me where i said EVE was easy mode post patch?
Originally by: RedSplat
You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks? There are better games suited to you than EVE out there and the game wont suffer from your loss.
Right here, simply indicates because of the complainings with the patch that it must have been easy mode before.
PS.: fixed your quoting ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 12/11/2008 12:12:09
Originally by: The Djego
Right here, simply indicates because of the complaining about the patch that it must have been easy mode before.
PS.: fixed your quoting
You said i said that EVE post patch was easy mode; wrong. Then you post saying i implied that eve was easier before the patch; i did.
Are we just having a breakdown of communication here?
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: RedSplat You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks?
Just thought it sounds ironic from someone in Suddenly Ninjas
Explain, i suspect your assessment of the risks we incur are skewed.
Hmmm? I thought you probe out missionrunners and ninja-salvage every wreck of theirs in safety of highsec mission hubs. I haven't lived in highsec for last 3-4 months, just made shopping trips there; so I might be wrong there. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Isaak
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:15:00 -
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props to the OP - adapt, overcome
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:20:00 -
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lets see - domi , apoc, minmatar bs pilot - mmm doing ok so far Real pvpers i armour tank and fly in small compatible gangs - yup good here no more insta iwin nanohacs coming our way. TP signature focusing 4 - yup im good TP skills ( trained over last 2 months along with ouhters as it became clear where the patch was going) Webs - faction webs now good cool t2 drones up and down the scale - yup good again Armour tanking abilities up - good stuff.
Nope no complaints im doing good
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Hmmm? I thought you probe out missionrunners and ninja-salvage every wreck of theirs in safety of highsec mission hubs. I haven't lived in highsec for last 3-4 months, just made shopping trips there; so I might be wrong there.
Ah, it is a case of misunderstanding then. Brace for poorly structured sentance:
Probing out MR's, surviving the rats (and when your Cruise Raven MR is 100k away popping rats, you have to fly right through the pack to get to the wrekcs and its damn easy to pick up aggro like that; esp from those damn assault frigates for some reason), then surviving the MR when you loot his wrecks, surviving the ill advised suicide gank from an alt, then surviving the wardec from either a hired mercenary corp or that of his PVP main he is grinding income for....
is all in a days work.
Risky? Yes. As risky as say, lowsec pirating in Anamake or calling Garmons mother bad things? No.
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:23:00 -
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It's undeniable. It's inevitable. It is... Quantum Rise in your pants!
Oh, and... officially poasting in a thread without having read the OP.
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Towelieban
Minmatar Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:24:00 -
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this gets a thumbs up from me
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Shoot TheGate
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:27:00 -
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Nice one Tchell
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Valkrider
Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:31:00 -
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Snowflake? OMG, that was worth reading through all the whine posts to see that slap! Very good RedSplat!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:32:00 -
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First in a thread about jello-bears!
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:34:00 -
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Postin' in a thread with the word "gimp" in the OP ..
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Edited by: RedSplat on 12/11/2008 12:12:09
Originally by: The Djego
Right here, simply indicates because of the complaining about the patch that it must have been easy mode before.
PS.: fixed your quoting
You said i said that EVE post patch was easy mode; wrong. Then you post saying i implied that eve was easier before the patch; i did.
Are we just having a breakdown of communication here?
I was sarcastic on "easy mode" pre patch, I gess since this one comes from a "Real PVPer" that you actualy nothice that it was sarcastic.
Also It might be new to you but a single Smartbomb canŠt kill a tanked Frig or give it enught time to leave the range of the SB, a Heavy Neut is also fare overrated since you got 24 Seconds reactivation time while the web or Scrambler will be on you within 2-3 Seconds again, while you still canŠt hit smaller Targets even without AB/MWD if they got a clue.
Fitting more Painters, Webs, Scramblers sounds preaty good in theory, but it leads to fittings that a got not enught Meds to do so, b you canŠt do the inital tackle(Scram + AB are just lol for this) or c your gimping your tank so you get killed by anything of the own since.
Only real solution is bring a Gang or bring a bigger Gang in the ways to adopt, fun isnŠt it? While in Gang most of the new changes become meaningles because of aditonal tackle, Painting and hitting on Targets at range, people realised that this allready happend now.
So we get a heavy nerf for one PVP style and slight boost or same results for the other, that brings me back to the sarcastic message that solo was to easy before, what is not right but funny since it is not true.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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NeoTheo
The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 12/11/2008 12:41:33 Edited by: NeoTheo on 12/11/2008 12:41:07
Originally by: RedSplat For BS pilots that find it harder to kill frigates with large turrets, fit smartbombs, carry small drones (W 2's), fit Neuts.
I dont think anyone is objecting to the hitting of small ships being harder.
we are all a bit ****ed off and a mega doing 400 mps can speed tank us to 50% effectivity however.
the fact ive got to paint other battleships is a little harsh, i love the frigate changes however ;)
/Theo
PS: i also fly a mega so not that arsed ;) - MVN - Pupula 'Ohana
If you dont know, well, you dont know!
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego Stuff; read it, no really its worth it
I don't have time to reply properly to that or in a manner it deserves.
Did i say Solo was easy mode pre-patch? No.
Bringing a bigger gang is always a viable 'tactic' provided you have the numbers to do so.
You don't have to have EVERY ship in a gang carrying tp's, neuts etc... My comment about specialized ships comes in handy here, you get comparatively more benefit for the gang.
As for solo....it will be harder, yes. How exactly is this a change from game developments in the past moving towards blobifare (which i despise btw)? Fly with two friends, change your tactics or simply be more discriminating of targets.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains2 lets see - domi , apoc, minmatar bs pilot - mmm doing ok so far Real pvpers i armour tank and fly in small compatible gangs - yup good here no more insta iwin nanohacs coming our way. TP signature focusing 4 - yup im good TP skills ( trained over last 2 months along with ouhters as it became clear where the patch was going) Webs - faction webs now good cool t2 drones up and down the scale - yup good again Armour tanking abilities up - good stuff.
Nope no complaints im doing good
If you got pawned by a solo Iwin Nano Hac, you might be out of luck or simply got the wrong fitting. If you get pawned in a gang by a solo Iwin Nano Hac your simply a bad PVPer.
Faction Webs are good because of the range advantage since nobody wanted to go into web Range, now because off most things want to get into web Range they are not realy cool anymore outside off trying to kite things with 2-5 extra km(what is quite useless with the 60% or less speed Reduction since the target will slip in the 10km Web Range anyway).
Web Drones are stacking penalized, slow and take 25mŠ Dronespace, also they are quite easy to kill.
Stop speeking about real pvpers before you are one on your own. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
the fact ive got to paint other battleships is a little harsh, i love the frigate changes however ;)
As far a BS vs BS problems for the patch there are issues that look as if CCP have made a boo-boo. I didn't really want to address too many specifics, just to make some observations and combat the 'sky is falling' lets whine about our wtf pwnage being nerfed mindset.
Balancing is tough, thankless work.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Edited by: RedSplat on 12/11/2008 12:29:33 So, we have all heard that little moniker for the latest patch.
But in reality, its more a case of Carebear Whines.
To the MR Raven pilots: You used to earn more isk than any other 'profession' at zero risk, now you still earn good isk: but you need to put more work in to do so. Stop whining.
To 'real' pvp'ers, or those who say they are, but raise hell whenever their favourite pwnage setup gets nerfed- you are worse than the most closeted carebear. Missiles not hitting for as much damage as they used to?
Fit TP's, fit webs, fly with those who do, better still those who fly ships designed to do this.
For BS pilots that find it harder to kill frigates with large turrets, fit smartbombs, carry small drones (W 2's), fit Neuts.
Or you could just come to the realization that a smaller ship is more effective and either fly on yourself or fly with other that do.
Dont forget that everyone is in the same situation. You feel gimped that you have to change your fitting and adapt? Oh you poor precious snowflake...
You want an easy mode game where there are no real risks? There are better games suited to you other than EVE out there and the game wont suffer from your loss.
Edited text bolded, low on ninja fu
Hint mr ninja salvager a good trader with a stabile capital base earns 10-15 times what any missionrunner can do on any day easily.
Ofcourse economic warfare and market manipulation does take more effort :)
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Abigail101
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:00:00 -
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Basically agree with much of the OP, except that by far the most lucrative "profession" was, for a long time (and I suspect still is) mining exotic 'roids in alliance space (notably Croke). Admittedly not perfectly risk free but the chances of losing a ship or even being interrupted mining are so vanshingly small as to be "zero".
I've not been out doing that for a little while (not me "me" but another "me"), but I thought I'd bring this up as so often when mission running has been held up as the ultimate in "zero" risk isk earning, Croke mining in safe alliance space seems to have been overlooked.
Just my personal pet annoyance, sorry
Otherwise, couldn't agree more with your post.
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