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Bignfurrie Gallente IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:26:00 - [1] Anyone have a good Ishkur setup they are willing to share, please include drone config too.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:35:00 - [2] What i used before quantum rise: [Ishkur, blaster] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Warp Scrambler II 1MN Afterburner II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x4 Use hobgoblin drones or warrior drones. Now after quantum rise you can probably do without the webber, and replace the webber by a micro cap booster or a cap recharger.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Furb Killer What i used before quantum rise: [Ishkur, blaster] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Warp Scrambler II 1MN Afterburner II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x4 Use hobgoblin drones or warrior drones. Now after quantum rise you can probably do without the webber, and replace the webber by a micro cap booster or a cap recharger. If you're going to fight another AF, you really really want that webber. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Furb Killer What i used before quantum rise: [Ishkur, blaster] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II/named DCU Armor Explosive Hardener II Warp Scrambler II 1MN Afterburner II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 3x Light Ion Blaster II, Null S/3x 125mm railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x4/warrior II x 4 Yeah this or the rail version are the basic set ups.. changing the web is not recommended I feel, especially with the blasters! All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:57:00 - [5] Here's the QR setup I'm going for... --- Ishkur, Plexer 3x 125mm Railgun II Small Cap Booster II Warp Scrambler II Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner I SAR II DC II 200mm RRT 8x Warrior II 1x Light Armor Maintenance Bot I Drone Durability Enhancer I Ancillary Current Router I --- Basically it's designed to be a hybrid PvP/E fit - load up Spike S in the rails and go to town on an enemy lv 2 or 3 plex in FW, if someone shows up switch to faction antimatter and go in close if it's a cruiser, or try and stay back long enough to let the drones chew 'em up if it's frig sized. Can't hold anyone down who doesn't come in close, but you can still win a fight without getting a KM. ---
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:08:00 - [6] ishkur setups tend to be pretty straightforward. mine: 1x SAR II 1x DC II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x AB II 1x Warp Scram II 1x X5 Web 3x Light Neutron Blaster II empty high slot/offlined heat sink module drone bay full of hobgoblin IIs and warrior IIs or light ECM drones with my fitting skills i can add a small nos simply by dropping one gun from a neutron to an ion
Bignfurrie Gallente IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:16:00 - [7] But are those cookie cutter fits better than a Taranis. I havent seen any reason to go looking for my ishkur all covered in dust yet.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:21:00 - [8] They are stronger and do more dps than a taranis. Downside is that they are slower.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:09:00 - [9] 1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x Damage Control II 1x Explosive Hardener II 1x 1MN Afterburner II 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x Small Capacitor Injector II w/ 200's 3x Light Neutron/Ion Blasters w/ faction Antimatter 5x Warrior II's 5x Hobgoblin II's ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/ My Ransom Board: http://www.pcransomboard.com/
Relaed Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.13 01:31:00 - [10] Unfortunately, no Ishkurs can't pvp, because they can't move, allowing a Neut or a Web on you is a death scentence. They are good for gate camping though. If you get the blasters on the target along with your drones, you are likely to get most damage spot on the kill mail. " You will pay the price for your lack of vision."
Marketalt989	Posted - 2008.11.13 01:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Relaed Unfortunately, no Ishkurs can't pvp, because they can't move, allowing a Neut or a Web on you is a death scentence. They are good for gate camping though. If you get the blasters on the target along with your drones, you are likely to get most damage spot on the kill mail. ishkur lacks in very few areas.....effective hitpoints against a ecm/plate/neuting/ACing rupture is one of em lol.
london Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.11.13 05:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Relaed Unfortunately, no Ishkurs can't pvp, because they can't move, allowing a Neut or a Web on you is a death scentence. They are good for gate camping though. If you get the blasters on the target along with your drones, you are likely to get most damage spot on the kill mail. Hardly, that was before the patch... now they are i-win buttons. Ab+Scram+Web+Blasters & drones = awesome! Thank you new found speed, agility, and sig radius tanking!
Easley Thames The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.13 05:48:00 - [13] Quote: Hardly, that was before the patch... now they are i-win buttons. Ab+Scram+Web+Blasters & drones = awesome! Thank you new found speed, agility, and sig radius tanking! Neut = no AB. Web = not fast enough to evade medium weapons. I wish the ishkur were not garbage but I could not evade medium pulses on an omen or blasters on a thorax. T2 lights eat your face. Which is the major problem with all t2 frigs attempting to fight BS. Plus the neut issue. The only plus side to active frig tanks is that they recharge enough to run a SAR after a heavy neut rather quickly. They don't have enough dps to break any ratter's tank so it's not a good solo ship. In gangs you'd do more dps for the same isk with a t1 cruiser. I just don't get the AS concept I guess. AS are still useless.
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.13 05:48:00 - [14] Originally by: london Originally by: Relaed Unfortunately, no Ishkurs can't pvp, because they can't move, allowing a Neut or a Web on you is a death scentence. They are good for gate camping though. If you get the blasters on the target along with your drones, you are likely to get most damage spot on the kill mail. Hardly, that was before the patch... now they are i-win buttons. Ab+Scram+Web+Blasters & drones = awesome! Thank you new found speed, agility, and sig radius tanking! Not all of eve is a 1v1 match without sentry fire.... You have distances to close and multiple hostiles trying to hit you with various transverse speeds - AF are NOT your Leeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkinsmobiles.
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.13 05:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Sean Faust ishkur setups tend to be pretty straightforward. mine: 1x SAR II 1x DC II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x AB II 1x Warp Scram II 1x X5 Web 3x Light Neutron Blaster II empty high slot/offlined heat sink module drone bay full of hobgoblin IIs and warrior IIs or light ECM drones with my fitting skills i can add a small nos simply by dropping one gun from a neutron to an ion Thats how I would fly an ishkur. A set of light ecm drones will ruin an opposing AF's day. I would love to hear feedback on using a set of light neut drones on other cap dependent AF would work.
Prometheus Exenthal Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.11.13 06:02:00 - [16] spectre333 got the right fit. - FRIGANK\|FRIGANK 2
Easley Thames The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.13 06:03:00 - [17] You could also carry 5x hob II and 5x small ecm drones for utility.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.13 06:15:00 - [18] How to fly an Ishkur and not suck at it: [Ishkur, New Setup 1] Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S //HEATSINK// 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Warrior II x5 Light ECM x5 (x4 if AF IV) ----------- Blaster sig removed for now, pending those "changes we've been working on all day". CCP, don't screw this up.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.11.13 06:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Merin Ryskin How to fly an Ishkur and not suck at it: [Ishkur, New Setup 1] Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S //HEATSINK// 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Warrior II x5 Light ECM x5 (x4 if AF IV) ???????????....!
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.13 06:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Terraform ???????????....! It's not complicated. MWD + 24km point because this is not a comedy setup. Rails + locus rigs because you want the range to shoot from outside web range. You can swap them for blasters if you really want, I guess. Shield tank because shield tanking is inherently better than armor tanking, and on the Ishkur, gives you virtually the same EHP with that very nice passive regen. Low slots for cap recharge because without a cap booster, you need it. Drones because Warrior IIs are death to frigates, and ECM drones give you an escape plan if things go badly. Does that answer your hopelessly vague question? ----------- Blaster sig removed for now, pending those "changes we've been working on all day". CCP, don't screw this up.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.13 06:42:00 - [21] Yep if you want to die a comedy death and become a comedy killmail, take that fitting. Against anything with mwd it is suicidal to use.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.13 06:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Furb Killer Against anything with mwd it is suicidal to use. And how exactly does your opponent's use of a MWD make it suicide? If anything, it should work better than the armor tank versions, as a plate will slow you down and make it easier for your opponent to dictate range/transversal. Oh yes, and the fact that you don't need to run an armor rep means that you have plenty of cap to run your own MWD 23/7. ----------- Blaster sig removed for now, pending those "changes we've been working on all day". CCP, don't screw this up.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.11.13 07:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Furb Killer Against anything with mwd it is suicidal to use. And how exactly does your opponent's use of a MWD make it suicide? If anything, it should work better than the armor tank versions, as a plate will slow you down and make it easier for your opponent to dictate range/transversal. Oh yes, and the fact that you don't need to run an armor rep means that you have plenty of cap to run your own MWD 23/7. BRFFMGHR! haha, thanks i needed that.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.13 07:37:00 - [24] So do you actually have anything constructive to add to the discussion, or are you just going to spam some more? ----------- Blaster sig removed for now, pending those "changes we've been working on all day". CCP, don't screw this up.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.13 07:48:00 - [25] Don't forget that the most important setup isn't yours. It's the one the other guy has. Stop whining.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Furb Killer Against anything with mwd it is suicidal to use. And how exactly does your opponent's use of a MWD make it suicide? If anything, it should work better than the armor tank versions, as a plate will slow you down and make it easier for your opponent to dictate range/transversal. Oh yes, and the fact that you don't need to run an armor rep means that you have plenty of cap to run your own MWD 23/7. What is important for tanking by AFs is speed/sig radius. Yes an mwd will give you more speed than an AB, but your sig radius becomes huge. Since you dont have a scram, your cruiser target can also mwd 1200m/s at least. While the speed difference is larger than with AB, your sig radius is 5 times larger, and the speed difference is not 5 times larger. So you are an easier target.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.13 13:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/11/2008 13:01:42 Originally by: Furb Killer What is important for tanking by AFs is speed/sig radius. Yes an mwd will give you more speed than an AB, but your sig radius becomes huge. Since you dont have a scram, your cruiser target can also mwd 1200m/s at least. While the speed difference is larger than with AB, your sig radius is 5 times larger, and the speed difference is not 5 times larger. So you are an easier target. IF the cruiser has the range, naturally. That Ishkur will solo any lolfit using medium blasters quite trivially for instance. It will also solo 99% of the AB-ing AF setups given here which do not have the range to shoot it and do not have the speed to catch it, in fact it is epic pwn for AF/ceptor killing. The idea isn't to use it in webrange, obviously. Why the hell do you think I used my AB-ing AFs for AF v AF fights in 2/10 plexes? Can you say 'hai, no MWD to you'? Precisely because I was aware of what happens when my awesome 400mm RT plated AB-ing AF meets your ordinary Crow/rail ishkur/rail harpy/hawk/... which set auto orbit, turn on guns, and go make some coffee and collect killmail and loot aftewards. That and loot is quite good ofc. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Prometheus Exenthal Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.11.13 13:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Merin Ryskin How to fly an Ishkur and not suck at it: hilarious fit not sure if you're trolling alot lately or just have no idea what pvp is... - FRIGANK\|FRIGANK 2
Bignfurrie Gallente IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.13 20:31:00 - [29] Thanks for all the good posts. Has anyone tried lets say 3 lt ecm and 2 tracking disruptors on a rail ishkur? I have had great success with my rail ranis and 2 ecm keeping orbit. I am diggin the ish so far against frigs but i would like to find a way to crush cruisers. I have never used tracking disrutor drones before.
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:06:00 - [30] Don't use tracking disruptor drones, like damp, neut and web drones they are awful compared to their module counterparts and stack with eachother in a bad way, so you end up with half the effectiveness of a t1 module using 5x lights. sacrificing near 100dps (hobgoblin II's x5, in the exchange for a bad midslot isn't good.) As for Merin's fit... I can see it working to some extent, but any competant pilot is just going to shoot down your drones (they are unbonused on an Ishkur and can be destroyed easily) and then you're left with sub 60dps or so which isn't going to faze other AF's at all, even some t1 frigs like a MSE merlin, Plated rifter and punisher can withstand the drones long enough to get rid of them then possibly kill you.

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