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Kransthow
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:23:00 -
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Tru story: I used to fly a nano domi
Hard mode: I still do
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Solasta Kovacs
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:23:00 -
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Huggin / rapier was win button.
Now you need a Lachesis or Arazu instyead of second webbing recon.
Seems fair to me. Buy a Lachesis.
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Arakidias
Murky Inc. Power Of 3
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:29:00 -
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Bring a Paladin or Kronos with a factionwebber
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:32:00 -
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Pretty much, you will need a tag-team of lachesis/arazu and rapier/huginn as well as a DPS guy if you want to accomplish anything.
A solo-lachesis might also be able to dish out some fun on smaller targets.
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Kransthow
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Solasta Kovacs Huggin / rapier was win button.
Now you need a Lachesis or Arazu instyead of second webbing recon.
Seems fair to me. Buy a Lachesis.
Holy **** I can fly that YAY I CAN BE FOTM
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Ackwell
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:41:00 -
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Actually I believe that interceptors are now more viable as fleet support ships than solo ships killing small targets. You need the speed and tackling capability of interceptor in the fleet to get the enemy scrambled and his MWD shut down. It's now more dangerous for interceptor to tackle because you have to go closer because of the scrambler but thats how it should be. Danger is my middle name, love it... Well, the enemy might more easily scram and pop your interceptor now that you are closer but he might also have his hands full with the DPS dealer backing you. War is calculated risks. Born in Caldari State Raised by Khanid Kingdom Living for Amarr Empire Dying for Imperial Pharmacy |
Solasta Kovacs
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:44:00 -
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Absolutely Ackwell. Though that is why the Lachesis is now lovely- given the additional range available on its scrammers.
I have some Lachesis for sale if anyone wants one :-)
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Signati web + 9km scram = that domi would be dead.
You only need 1 guy to use a 9km scram, hell shove it on one fo the blaster boats.
Try again, I tested about it on sissi one Web + Scrambler will not stop even Plated BS at the gate(since people allways forget that you actualy need time to lock a Target and get in Scrambling Range where the BS drifts his way back to the gate by his build up speed till the point where the MWD got shut down, it is even easyer on smaller ships). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Solasta Kovacs
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:59:00 -
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Lachesis plus huggin= very swift shut down and web. And = largely the same effect as previously.
90% web on a domi doing 1000 ms with a mwd = 100ms
60% web, but with the MWD shut down, = less than 100ms
(note to pedants- the figures are very rough rather than calculated....The principle is clear though).
Plus learn to bump!
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.14 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Solasta Kovacs Lachesis plus huggin= very swift shut down and web. And = largely the same effect as previously.
90% web on a domi doing 1000 ms with a mwd = 100ms
60% web, but with the MWD shut down, = less than 100ms
(note to pedants- the figures are very rough rather than calculated....The principle is clear though).
Plus learn to bump!
It is only a clear advantage on paper, not in common gameplay. By time the Target get locked and you shut down the MWD the internal speed will carrie it more easy back to the gate with the 60% Web than the stopping power of a 90% Web worked out.
Also you need RR for Huggin and Lachesis if you donŠt want to attack just outlaws or getting in front of a Drone Ship, also you need Damage support to take down a Target in time, since Huggin and Lach are not paticular good Damage dealers. What brings us to a bigger gatecamp in the end and we are talking about small scale here.
Learn to bump eh? Did you noticed that with the mass/agility and MWD changes Bumping is fare less effectfull, also a bit bugged quite for some time now with far faster deaccelation than it actualy should be? ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Solasta Kovacs
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 10:31:00 -
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Of course... Webbing never had to suffer the time it took to lock, or momentum...
Oh.
Adapt or die tbh.
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 10:43:00 -
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So, one of you sits on each side of the gate when camping.
He either declines to engage and runs back to the gate, in which case you get to eat into his HP's a bit before he jumps through into your buddies arms and then follow shortly once you have de-agressed, or he does engage in which case your buddy jumps through to assist and you get him.
If he continually runs back through the gate you will slowly wear away at his HP's. If your good you will do this faster than the turrets can strip yours.
Its not a sure win due to the turrets as if he has a high enough DPS he may just melt one of you, but if your better skilled and better fitted than your target, you will get him.
Almost sounds fun.....
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leung bak
Caldari Copperhead Arms
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Posted - 2008.11.14 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer So you dont like to blob, you just prefer to gank others with at least two times more ships...
Sad part is he probably wouldnt understand your point
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.14 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Solasta Kovacs Of course... Webbing never had to suffer the time it took to lock, or momentum...
Oh.
Adapt or die tbh.
It did, but leadet to better results(where better mean practical in the end). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 11:49:00 -
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Why are you complaining?
I can remeber tackling a Domi last night in my Harbinger solo, Scram and web he did not go anywhere, thats with one ship.
Lesson A - Learn that the Scram turns off MWD Lesson B - Learn that webs aren't dead, just slightly disfigured Lesson C - Learn to bump.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.14 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: ZenSun Why are you complaining?
I can remeber tackling a Domi last night in my Harbinger solo, Scram and web he did not go anywhere, thats with one ship.
Lesson A - Learn that the Scram turns off MWD Lesson B - Learn that webs aren't dead, just slightly disfigured Lesson C - Learn to bump.
Try to check your own KMs, you might see it was a noob fitted Domi, it didnŠt got a MWD or AB and you had 16 buddys on your Mail. Sir you won eve! ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 11:59:00 -
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That was our first domi, this was another domi that got away, you fail :) woops |
The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: ZenSun That was our first domi, this was another domi that got away, you fail :)
Do I? Well at least I post my mails if I want to prove anything with it.
Also I can say that a Domi would kill you in a small scale engagement, and would make it back to the gate without any problems. Since this Tread is about Tackling at gates with limited numbers.
Learn to understand that this is not about your little FW Blob PVP here, thank you. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: ZenSun on 14/11/2008 12:19:04 Hehehe... someone's taking something to heart, eh?
If it got away, how can I post my mails, also how do you know if it was in a gang?
I still love you.
But to the point, I haven't fully tested the web outside of FW, so i'll report back in a few days :)
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: ZenSun Edited by: ZenSun on 14/11/2008 12:19:04 Hehehe... someone's taking something to heart, eh?
If it got away, how can I post my mails, also how do you know if it was in a gang?
I still love you.
I donŠt I just canŠt stand statments like your fist one that trying to tell people do it wrong and fail because they do it wrong, while the real problems lies in the changed game Mechanics and Modules since it worked fine before.
Originally by: ZenSun
But to the point, I haven't fully tested the web outside of FW, so i'll report back in a few days :)
I tested this suff a lot on Sissi and a Phoon just sliped true my web just yesterday to, im not rabble rabble rabble about it, just want to point out things that donŠt paticular work well with the current patch like I did the last 3 Month while it was on Sissi in the testing stage and cause serious problems to on gate and on station engagements in the end. |
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Ice Moon
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:28:00 -
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This is about the point in the thread where someone posts "Enjoy your missile nerf, PvP pigs."
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Rivur'Tam
X10 Punishment
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: ZenSun Why are you complaining?
I can remeber tackling a Domi last night in my Harbinger solo, Scram and web HE DID NOT GO ANYWHERE, thats with one ship.
Lesson A - Learn that the Scram turns off MWD Lesson B - Learn that webs aren't dead, just slightly disfigured Lesson C - Learn to bump.
I'm confused he did not go anywhere but he got away ????
I agree with you on the bumping however |
Alexa Violet
Amarr Doom Generation Doom Armada
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:30:00 -
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Paladin or Kronos, 2x 60% faction webs overloaded, skirmish gang bonuses. If you want to camp properly, otherwise just catch people in belts. |
ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:30:00 -
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That's fine, I am not saying you don't ;)
I haven't fully tested it, so I must of underestimated it. But I can already see from a few engagements a couple days ago that the web doesn't seem as strong as before, but for the whole Scram to deactivate MWD is a major deal, people who are reapproaching do have the lower hand depends on their ship-type.
Trial and error for CCP hopefully.
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rivur'Tam
Originally by: ZenSun Why are you complaining?
I can remeber tackling a Domi last night in my Harbinger solo, Scram and web HE DID NOT GO ANYWHERE, thats with one ship.
Lesson A - Learn that the Scram turns off MWD Lesson B - Learn that webs aren't dead, just slightly disfigured Lesson C - Learn to bump.
I'm confused he did not go anywhere but he got away ????
I agree with you on the bumping however
Yes I do have to admit I have been mixing myself up a lot
First one was popped by a large fw blob, that was effective because was had around, 3-4 webs...
But bumping does play a large part |
Celestal
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: ZenSun That was our first domi, this was another domi that got away, you fail :)
but hold on your first post said
Originally by: ZenSun Why are you complaining?
I can remeber tackling a Domi last night in my Harbinger solo, Scram and web he did not go anywhere, thats with one ship.
Lesson A - Learn that the Scram turns off MWD Lesson B - Learn that webs aren't dead, just slightly disfigured Lesson C - Learn to bump.
so first , to prove your point , you claimed to have solo killed a domi ( got on your high horse and basically called the person who said it was now almost impossible to do a noob , heck you even gave him lessons on how to do it )
then when asked for proof , you state he got away !!
so basically you were lying ? trying to make yourself look better/cleverer then you are ? ( I hope someone in your corp has borrowed a clue )
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:00:00 -
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Oh, please listen...
I solo tackled the domi, then the blob started tackline a couple seconds after, however my short period of tackling, the domi found it hard to get away and the blob took it down.
later on that night, I tried to get another domi, however just my web and scram wasn't enough. jeez. woops |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:06:00 -
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Webs are much less useful - but far from useless.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Celestal
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: ZenSun Oh, please listen...
I solo tackled the domi, then the blob started tackline a couple seconds after, however my short period of tackling, the domi found it hard to get away and the blob took it down.
later on that night, I tried to get another domi, however just my web and scram wasn't enough. jeez.
aah so this is the one that you are using as an example of how its done ?
Originally by: The Djego
Try to check your own KMs, you might see it was a noob fitted Domi, it didnŠt got a MWD or AB and you had 16 buddys on your Mail. Sir you won eve!
so , you managing to tackle a noob fitted domi ( killing it with a blob ) with no ab/mwd is the basis for you to lecture other people on how to tackle/kill mwd fitted domis ?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:40:00 -
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Yes yes they're useless, fit scrams instead please
Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart |
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