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Chruker
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:53:00 -
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Sign this if you want CCP to prioritize the development of a better ingame browser
Development on the ingame browser (IGB) have been neglected for so long. - For the last 2+ years it has had horrible rendering time on any content with tables. - It is also rendering tables errornously, especially noticable in the computation of table and column widths.
Now lately it seems to have gotten some very annoying bugs: - All pages (regardless of content) seems to have some sort of delay (2-3 seconds), making sites very slow. - Form fields are broken (maybe especially when combined with tables). - The IGB also fails to construct correct urls for some images in tables.
And while I'm sure most of these bugs have been reported or are least hopefully bugging CCP players during their daily gametime, then I fear that fixing the IGB have so low priority.
I believe the horrible performance of the IGB are hurting sites already providing some content, but even more important it is likely preventing community developers to develop sites that take advantage of the IGB's unique functionality.
Personally, I dont care if CCP fixes their existing code (through a UI overhaul), uses some other 3rd party code (Opera ex.), use browser functionaly provided by the OS, or some other option. However it must render HTML correctly and fast. ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Speedup IGB table rendering |
Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:54:00 -
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-- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | RLS-EVE | EVE Metrics (NEW) |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
This, especially if it can be a part of other UI changes and updates
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Nathalia Itiero
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
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Rachel Nightwalker
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rachel Nightwalker on 18/11/2008 22:58:37
Originally by: Ix Forres
I have a project already in development that would benefit from not having to handle things totally different for the IGB.
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Salvis Tallan
Gallente The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:58:00 -
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Agreed. Every window in game uses the IGB, with all the love the server-side stuff is getting, this would be a huge leap forward for the client. ------
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EveMap
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:01:00 -
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If you had created this in the Assembly Hall we could have added fancy little thumbs up or down if we liked the idea
I have always found the browser very slow, but I chalked it up to my crappy computer so I guess I will refrain from voting at this point in time due to not being very knowledgeable on the topic.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:02:00 -
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Yes, we need better IGB!!
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HowardStern
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:03:00 -
[10]
no
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Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Thea Arsoniztik on 18/11/2008 23:05:30 Edited by: Thea Arsoniztik on 18/11/2008 23:04:39 Signed. the IGB is very buggy atm and lacks the ability to do a lot of basic things that other browswers can do. I can't even search google on the IGB.
I would also like the ability to view pr 0ns. Pr 0nto!
Thanks for reading.
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Conq Er
Sweetrock Mining
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:05:00 -
[12]
No.
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Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:06:00 -
[13]
Yes.
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Chruker
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rachel Nightwalker I have a project already in development that would benefit from not having to handle things totally different for the IGB.
Exactly. Having to dumb down a site for the IGB to display it, isn't a good thing.
CCP doesnt even bother with it for their own site.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon If you had created this in the Assembly Hall we could have added fancy little thumbs up or down if we liked the idea
I thought all the forums had that functionality, however this needed more readers than the Assembly Hall can provide :-) |
Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:07:00 -
[15]
Last time I heard something they said that they wont touch the ingame browser because they're going to swap it for something fresh and new. But they have said that for a couple of years now. |
Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:09:00 -
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do you want????
It's like a new browser could be a bad thing?
Anyway... they've already said they are working on a new one. |
Dmian
Gallente Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:11:00 -
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Yes, of course. I know the devs would like a better IGB too, specially since the actual IGB will prevent editing the Evelopedia in game. But it will take some time to do it, that's for sure. So I don't expect this to happen in the next expansion, or even in the 2009 winter expansion...
BTW, I don't know if this can be useful, but maybe it can help (keep in mind I'm not a programmer. )
pxdom
I also found something by Mozilla called PyXPCOM, used to communicate with XPCOM, which may allow to embedd Gecko on a python application. |
ouroboros trading
Gallente Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:14:00 -
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no thanks, security risks and all that. |
Dmian
Gallente Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: ouroboros trading no thanks, security risks and all that.
They don't need to implement a ECMAScript engine, just a layout engine. Besides, it runs inside the client (a wrapper) and you have to trust the sites... |
Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:29:00 -
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/signed
I have also noticed the delay bug. It makes the IGB unusable in many situations where it used to be at least bearable.
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Captain Hack
Caldari The Eye.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:30:00 -
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no Then the bears came and started yelling and screaming at me, there were nothing I could do about it, like you cannot help but read my signature. |
Chruker
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dmian Yes, of course. I know the devs would like a better IGB too, specially since the actual IGB will prevent editing the Evelopedia in game.
Yeah, I was thinking that the Evelopedia thingy may force them to prioritze it higher, because of the ingame thing.
The layouts shown at the fanfest would most likely need some tables :-) ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Speedup IGB table rendering |
ouroboros trading
Gallente Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dmian
Originally by: ouroboros trading no thanks, security risks and all that.
They don't need to implement a ECMAScript engine, just a layout engine. Besides, it runs inside the client (a wrapper) and you have to trust the sites...
well if it was kept very simple.
you know what people are like, a single ***** and blam.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 18/11/2008 23:34:13 I actually remember one of the dev's saying recently they are working on integrating a new browser or something.
also why does the ingame browser have no horizontal scroll bar, thats the most annoying thing of all.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:38:00 -
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no need, no offence |
Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:41:00 -
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No.
I never understood why you have a browser in a game when you can Alt-Tab (or Alt-Ctrl-D in Linux) to open the PC's web browser.
If your reading a browser then your not paying attention to the game and your Semi AFK. Deal with the consequences.
Remove the IGB entirely and allow the server to improve speed and performance issues by not having to handle browser requests.
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Dmian
Gallente Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen I never understood why you have a browser in a game when you can Alt-Tab (or Alt-Ctrl-D in Linux) to open the PC's web browser.
Done properly, it will be the layout engine for all things text, for example:
- Agent windows - Mission details - Item database (in fact, that's exactly what will happen with Evelopedia) - A looooong etc. |
NightF0x
Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:07:00 -
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Weren't there a few **** sites awhile back there were IGB friendly? I know that there was a casino that was friendly ------------------------------------
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:54:00 -
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In all honesty no, the thing is a waste imho. Rather see them include an open standard browser without any modifications to it or better yet just take it out. Having the internet in GTA IV wasnt fun either. |
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Bromine Mercury
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.19 02:04:00 -
[31]
Unsigned.
Remove the IGB. Don't waste another second of developer time on things that are better solved elsewhere.
While you're at it, drop the calculator and Eve Voice.
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Ryushe
JuBa Corp Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 05:47:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Ix Forres Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
What he said linked.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.19 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tonto Auri on 19/11/2008 06:13:28 For those of you, who are blind or have short memory: main issue with IGB is the rendering engine. The thing that actually presenting the page to you. None of listed engines can do that on 3D surface. And just to notify: where you saw that Opera gone opensourse?
EDIT: I'm, as software developer, need some base to work from. The "speed" and "features" of IGB is what bothring me terribly... but main issue is still 1-threaded EVE client :/ ANY, i mean ABSOLUTELY ANY action I take affecting whole client for a seconds. Even opening my own cargohol produce interface lag... |
pip madhat
Gallente theLAIR
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Posted - 2008.11.19 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri Edited by: Tonto Auri on 19/11/2008 06:13:28 For those of you, who are blind or have short memory: main issue with IGB is the rendering engine. The thing that actually presenting the page to you. None of listed engines can do that on 3D surface. And just to notify: where you saw that Opera gone opensourse?
EDIT: I'm, as software developer, need some base to work from. The "speed" and "features" of IGB is what bothring me terribly... but main issue is still 1-threaded EVE client :/ ANY, i mean ABSOLUTELY ANY action I take affecting whole client for a seconds. Even opening my own cargohol produce interface lag...
true true. no easy solution, eh? i'll vote, SURE! '[0_o]' //i write scripts in hex on my optiplex// |
oUTSKIRTs
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Posted - 2008.11.19 10:01:00 -
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Quote: Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Yes! Pleeeaaase! About time! 20 lines of html should NOT take several minutes to render on high end p4's. Many people need this browser to work. I count on it getting fixed and still work on my igb sites. |
Rye
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen No.
I never understood why you have a browser in a game when you can Alt-Tab (or Alt-Ctrl-D in Linux) to open the PC's web browser.
If your reading a browser then your not paying attention to the game and your Semi AFK. Deal with the consequences.
The point of the IGB is not so that you can browse "normal" websites from in-game. I totally agree that if you want to use Google, then the in-game browser is not the place to do it. But that is NOT what the IGB is for. The IGB is used by lots of different corps and tool developers for creating utilities that are useful in-game to players. It's a way of extending content in a customisable way.
Some examples of IGB applications out there:
- Forums that are accessible from in-game (as well as through normal browsing), with enforced in-game registration.
- A variety of calculators, such as a mineral calculator where corp members can fill in the quantities of the minerals they want to sell to their corp, and the tool tells them how much the corp is willing to pay, based on the corp's current mineral prices... or a tool for telling people how much the corp is willing to pay for their unwanted modules and loot... or a tool for calculating how much fuel you should take with you to fill up your POS without over-doing certain fuel types... etc. etc. etc.
- Op Buddy applications where members join ops from in-game, and the tool monitors how long they stay connected / signed-on in the op so that at the end of the op the proceeds can be split fairly among the people who took part according to how long they took part (there are examples for mining, missions, and other op-based activities)
- Stock monitors on things like mineral levels in an industrial corp, POS fuel levels for any corp with a POS, ammo/module/ship levels for manufacturers, etc.
- and if we ever get a faster / decent IGB implementation, we could see a whole new generation of useful utilities, including stuff like decent killboards accessible from in-game with the same full functionality that's offered out of game (instead of having cut-down functionality in-game due to the IGB's limitations at the moment).
Basically, anyone who's using the IGB for browsing "normal" websites should deal with the consequences of being semi-AFK like you say, but when we talk about improving the IGB, it's for EVE-related stuff that is useful in a number of ways to the people playing the game.
Originally by: Darkeen Remove the IGB entirely and allow the server to improve speed and performance issues by not having to handle browser requests.
The IGB is client-side. It therefore does not affect the server performance in the slightest. Removing the IGB will not improve the rest of your gameplay. The only thing an improved IGB will do is allow people to write better tools which someday you'll more than likely end up using.
In fact, the chances are an improved IGB will improve the EVE client - some of the general info pages and the news page that opens when you click on the IGB button probably use the same code as the IGB for displaying stuff, so an improvement to the IGB code will probably lead to an improvement in the general speed at which other things are displayed in-game.
So anyway, getting back to the vote.
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omgdutch2005
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 15:59:00 -
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[votes: YES]
they could get a licence on webkit lots of mobile phones use it, so its not rly a memory issue as phones seldom have loads of memory :) omgdutch2005 |
Ryushe
JuBa Corp Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: omgdutch2005 Edited by: omgdutch2005 on 19/11/2008 16:20:04 [votes: YES]
they could get a licence on webkit lots of mobile phones use it, so its not rly a memory issue as phones seldom have loads of memory :)
Why would they need a license? WebKit is free, the code is readily available. From what I can tell based on the WebKit site, the code is released under the GPLv2, meaning that as long as CCP would credit the original creators and promise to make available any changes they might make, it should be perfectly ok to use.
Then again, WebKit is a bit over the top for the IGB. All we need (imho) is a decent HMTL 4.0 parser with limited CSS support. More importantly is the rendering speed of the thing I would think. But consider this as to why CCP will probably not change the IGB. As far as I can see, the IGB is used to display the news items on the login window, the news when you select 'Read News' on a billboard, the mission descriptions etc etc. Overthrowing the current IGB code and replacing it is most likely going to be a major pain in the backside, as much as I would love to see it happen...
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Lumy
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ryushe
Why would they need a license? WebKit is free, the code is readily available. From what I can tell based on the WebKit site, the code is released under the LGPLv2, meaning that as long as CCP would credit the original creators and promise to make available any changes they might make, it should be perfectly ok to use.
Fixed L - very important ;)
But the question still stands, if WebKit could be used for rendering to DirectX. I seriously doubt that.
I personally would love strict xhtml 1.0/1.1 with some CSS support. It would be easy to parse and developer can always check his code through DTD. And maybe the people would finally learn how to write correct websites (that icludes me)
Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS. |
Lumy
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 18:49:00 -
[40]
Almost forget:
/SIGNED (it's not like it matters anyway)
And Zulupark's answer regarding IGB: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=905941&page=1#24
Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS. |
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Ryushe
JuBa Corp Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.11.20 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lumy
Originally by: Ryushe ...released under the LGPLv2 ...
Fixed L - very important ;)
My bad
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Chruker
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Posted - 2008.11.20 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri And just to notify: where you saw that Opera gone opensourse?
Not open source, but partner ship. I know an Opera developer in the #eve-dev irc channel has suggested it. ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Speedup IGB table rendering |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:56:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Chruker
Originally by: Tonto Auri And just to notify: where you saw that Opera gone opensourse?
Not open source, but partner ship. I know an Opera developer in the #eve-dev irc channel has suggested it.
That's interesting news. I hope they know what's that about :D |
Der Seben
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.11.20 09:55:00 -
[44]
no.
Dump the IGB and point links to the external browser. no more copy/paste |
Iso Santos
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Posted - 2008.11.20 12:06:00 -
[45]
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
For the original post of upgrading the IGB, that is. |
Dragonaire
Caldari Corax.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 02:56:00 -
[46]
As someone pointed out above CCP uses at least part of the code from IGB in the UI so until that's no longer true they really can't just get rid of it without coding a replacement so while they are at it might as well make something that works better (faster and follow the standards more). I don't care if they do it in house (A working IGB is worth more to me then walking around a station any day and they've waste thousands of programming hours or more on that now ) or they decide to integrate outside system like webkit, etc. Eve voice now seems to work well enough after a couple patches so if out sourcing IGB gets it fixed faster that would be great. In the end something needs to be done because the long it's put off the harder any fix will be. |
Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources New MagnaDyne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.21 07:17:00 -
[47]
/signed without a doubt. |
Kravek
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:45:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Kravek on 21/11/2008 08:45:19 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
But i don`t belive that they do something. |
Faekurias
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 15:07:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Ix Forres Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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Rekef Selran
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:12:00 -
[50]
signed. Upgrade the IGB or switch to an open source browser like webkit.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.23 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rekef Selran signed. Upgrade the IGB or switch to an open source browser like webkit.
Where you saw opensource browser capable of rendering on D3D surface? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Ydnari
Gallente Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.11.23 03:17:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Rekef Selran signed. Upgrade the IGB or switch to an open source browser like webkit.
Where you saw opensource browser capable of rendering on D3D surface?
http://meta.nuanti.com/ http://ubrowser.com/
for starters
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BlueStar88
BlueStar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:20:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Eethrak
Gallente LiveTech
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Posted - 2008.11.23 09:00:00 -
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I'd really like to get it back to the functionality it had a couple of weeks ago - y'know when it actually worked. Then lets talk about making it better from there. /signed
And yes, for the people who want the IGB removing, you almost certainly aren't involved in running a corp or alliance. Corp managers get no love at the best of times, we have to make our own through ingame sites. Its incredibly frustrating when the IGB's limited functionality grinds to almost a comeplete halt as it has this past week. Its an essential tool for a lot of applications and groups and it really needs addressing urgently - and not by some arm-wavey "We'd like to replace within the next year" comments.
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Madam Mika
Gallente Shadow-Triad Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2008.11.23 18:21:00 -
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it needs .png surrport and better server side scripting support
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.24 00:16:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Madam Mika it needs .png surrport and better server side scripting support
what you mean by .png support? It can display PNG image. Something besides that? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Sophie Malaster
Gallente EUROMECH Unlimited ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2008.11.25 12:39:00 -
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Yes and No. Yes only if they developt a really webbrowser, but it they'll do a simple mending, i prefer erase the IGB.
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Malif Rising
Rising Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.25 22:31:00 -
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Definitely address some bugs, but don't try to make the IGB do everything Firefox or IE can do. That's crazy, impractical, and a waste of effort.
1) Fix "Trusted Sites" -- or make every site "trusted" (which is a crazy word for it anyway since sending some spoofable headers is hardly "trust"). After all, you're accessing a site via the IGB. If you want to hide your username, location and what corp you belong to, use a real browser.
2) Make basic forms work. Nothing fancy. Just the basics. Adding a <textarea> stops the rendering, for god's sake!
3) Make sure simple tables work. Yes, it's 1990's tech, but it's fine for something like this.
4) Speed it up. I really hope you aren't proxying the client's HTTP request. If you aren't already, start up a thread and let the thing load directly from the site it is hitting.
In a nutshell, don't get fancy. Forget any kind of scripting. Keep the CSS to what you have -- or less if it is buggy. Just give us the basics and make them work so we can add on functionality for our corp members.
Thanks.
-- Malif
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Mistmare
German arnima corp Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.11.26 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mistmare on 26/11/2008 01:04:20 guys, he just asked for a yes or a no, not for a discussion...
I say yes.
.signed.
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Ikaef Giasep
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Posted - 2008.11.26 02:32:00 -
[60]
/sign
I am offering research services through the ingame browser. Would be great if the browser was faster and standard features were implemented correctly.
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Ulfskein Gangr
Caldari Vile Rune Guild Silex Union
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Posted - 2008.11.26 02:40:00 -
[61]
[X] - Signed.
Chruker's contributions to the overall playability through his IGB accessible databases have been invaluable help to my in my EVE experience. I don't know much about how the functionality works, but I support any motion to improve it.
Cheers!
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vonRackham
Gallente Murky Inc. Power Of 3
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Posted - 2008.11.26 04:40:00 -
[62]
SIGNED. The IGB needs programmer love badly.
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Xindi Kraid
Cerulean Sky Fire Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.26 09:41:00 -
[63]
They should abandon the IGB completley and get a third party browser as a plugin. Something small like Opera or Chrome (opera works on game consoles and cell phones so why not inside another program?) -Xindi Kraid CSFI lead engineer and shipwright
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Jasen Korr
Gallente Redstar Force LTD
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Posted - 2008.11.26 12:23:00 -
[64]
/signed
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Mat rix
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.11.26 18:58:00 -
[65]
/signed
there has got to be a better option, the igb is very bad.
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BashNako
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.27 06:07:00 -
[66]
/signed
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Erratic Spacegnome
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:02:00 -
[67]
No.
Don't reinvent the wheel. Ditch the IGB. Expend developer effort on something more useful.
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Naomi Wynn
Amarr Norfolk Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:29:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Naomi Wynn on 27/11/2008 14:29:28
This.
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Milo Caman
Gallente Asteri Rising
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Posted - 2008.11.27 15:03:00 -
[69]
/signed
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JadeO
Caldari W.A.S.P Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 00:55:00 -
[70]
/signed
IGB needs to get its performance issues fixed, the delays and high page renderings are a real thumbs down for any IGB website. It would also be awesome if it could be improved in capabilities (as in: being able to transport more ingame info to websites, extend HTML support etc). ______________
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Vessper
Indicium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.11.28 08:52:00 -
[71]
/signed
I was waiting until after the QR 1.0.2 patch to see if they fixed the rendering speed issues as well as form fields, but to me, it just seems to have gotten slower. In the absence of any information about this "new thing" they are supposedly replacing the IGB with, I just hope that some fixes are implemented to the current IGB in the meantime.
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Nightblade
Minmatar Aztec Industry
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Posted - 2008.11.28 14:33:00 -
[72]
Very much signed, the IGB is critical to half the things I do in EVE. |
Blicka
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Posted - 2008.11.30 09:22:00 -
[73]
/signed
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Dalai Iteroni
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Posted - 2008.11.30 16:44:00 -
[74]
+1
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Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.30 17:53:00 -
[75]
/signed
While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers.
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John Hollow
Minmatar Afterisk
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Posted - 2008.11.30 18:29:00 -
[76]
/Signed I don't care if they add anything new to the browser, but just make it work as is. For some unknown reason, even a page with one line of text on it will take ages to load, making it virtually un-usable as it is.
For those who would rather ditch it, or replace it with an open source browser, I think you are missing the point of the IGB. It's not the rendering of normal pages it was made for, but the ability to interact with the game. You can determine the exact player who is viewing the page, give hotlinks to in game items or to send money, find players location, etc.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.30 21:43:00 -
[77]
Originally by: John Hollow who is viewing the page, give hotlinks to in game items or to send money, find players location, etc.
Show you mission briefings, agent interaction... it's all done using IGB engine. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Hatticus
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:09:00 -
[78]
My vote is no.. I personally see no need to prioritise the IGB at all. A simple ALT-TAB gives me access to some rather well developed web browsers out there already.
It's a nice thing to have.. yet by no means a necessity. As such, I would rather they prioritised other areas for improvement / correction.
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Luke Lor'aul
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:52:00 -
[79]
Port Chrome or FF's engine!
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Trygge
Caldari Free Space Initiative FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:49:00 -
[80]
Signed...the ingame browser as it is to day is way too useless for most things......
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JayWest
Home Grown industries
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:17:00 -
[81]
signed Everyday is won or lost. |
K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:26:00 -
[82]
signed.
I do think the cleaning up of the financial system, bailout of the 3 auto giants, and a return to a robust economy will occur first.
EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM. |
Solenia
Gallente Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:47:00 -
[83]
Signed ============= I ♥ Merdekka
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Daimyo Katar
Caldari Dark Dominion
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Posted - 2008.12.05 04:29:00 -
[84]
Yes Please!!!.... Playstation has a better browser.... You can do it !!
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Sol Halcon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.06 03:04:00 -
[85]
/signed
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TCL987
Gallente Hannibals Pirates Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2008.12.06 08:25:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Laice
Caldari Judicial Blade Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.12.06 11:14:00 -
[87]
one wonderful thing about the currently igb is that its so damn secure by being featureless :)
But i would imagine with the Cosmos 2.0 integration the IGB will be getting an overhaul anyways and im sure CCP already know it needs work so, not signing :P
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:12:00 -
[88]
I would love just better/more predictable performance. Also, some more useful in-game interaction would be nice. (How about the ability to drag items to a web text box, and it pastes a quantity-item list in the box instead of just a list of item names. This would allow for some very useful corp sites.
System Influence |
Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2008.12.06 14:41:00 -
[89]
Absolutely!
My site looks pants in the IGB (www.eve-guides.com BTW) and all I use are standard formats. --
POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EA EVE Database, Character Generator & more |
Raul Lustrom
Free Galactic Enterprises Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.12.06 23:52:00 -
[90]
To all those saying "dump the IGB" and similar....
Get over yourselves!
Just because you don't use it, don't spoil it for the rest of us who do. The very fact that you don't use it (or see the point in it) means that it doesn't affect you in any way! So please stop being so selfish and quit with the pointless IGB bashing.
The IGB is very useful for things like Fleet and Member Trackers, In-Game Forums, Basic news pages for your corporation, recruitment information pages and many other things. Removing it entirely would cripple the online operations of many corporations.
The bugs I want to see fixed most are: 1) The eve.trustme header doesnt seem to work anymore, so people have to add trust manually. 2) If you add http://www.fregecorp.com to the list of trusted sites, the IGB adds a / to the end so it becomes http://www.fregecorp.com/ in the trusted sites list. Then if you visit http://www.fregecorp.com (without the final slash), it doesn't match against the entry in the trust list and so doesn't get trust. You have to manually add a / to the end of the typed URL or specific a filename (like index.cfm) on the end. 3) When you go to any page, the IGB sits there blank for 2-4 seconds before even starting to load the page. 4) Rendering speed of tables is slow!
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Alastira
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Posted - 2008.12.07 02:38:00 -
[91]
Signed. If its going to be a part of the game they should at least make it work better or give us something new and better. |
Simon Magii
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Posted - 2008.12.07 05:01:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Simon Magii on 07/12/2008 05:01:56 /signed Yes.
All you who said no don't know the potential of the IGB for Low and High sec pilots. It's a game linked browser allowing things to be done you couldn't do in an out of game browser. I take advantage of it in my pvp and science chars all the time.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.07 10:05:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Raul Lustrom 2) If you add http://www.fregecorp.com to the list of trusted sites, the IGB adds a / to the end so it becomes http://www.fregecorp.com/ in the trusted sites list. Then if you visit http://www.fregecorp.com (without the final slash), it doesn't match against the entry in the trust list and so doesn't get trust. You have to manually add a / to the end of the typed URL or specific a filename (like index.cfm) on the end.
This is not a bug, at least not as you describing it, just *your SERVER* misconfiguration and slight mental desync in between IGB interface and network operation. HTTP request must contain location identifier, which is "/" as bare minimum. Add a redirect from "" to "/" on your server at least. That will hide the issue. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Wes Magyar
Caldari Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.08 13:03:00 -
[94]
/signed
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Dianalexia
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:35:00 -
[95]
signed
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D'ceet
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.09 01:03:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ix Forres
Originally by: Popperr
I resent the insinuation that we have intelligence, artificial or otherwise.
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Aaron Static
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.09 01:50:00 -
[97]
why not just use the webkit library?
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2008.12.09 02:35:00 -
[98]
/signed
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Khobba Gelos
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:57:00 -
[99]
/signed It looks just like a Telefunken U 47 |
Talaan Stardrifter
Universal Exports
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Posted - 2008.12.10 14:15:00 -
[100]
/signed
Really need this fixed.
Table rendering speed is appalling, and most of my site designs use nested tables.
Would be nice to have a custom auto-linkable form field for eve too.
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Oh Takashawa
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.10 14:16:00 -
[101]
Signed.
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finser
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Posted - 2008.12.10 14:49:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Kihan
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:02:00 -
[103]
YES
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Atnal
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:33:00 -
[104]
I've had concerns about the IGB. I'm not sure if it's can be replicated but I've experienced some slowdowns in the eveclient overall when IGB tries to load certain pages. I think it would be great if the IGB would use the mozilla/gecko engine and have the process run as a separate client so to say inside of the game.
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Dark Executive
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:12:00 -
[105]
/Signed Make loading times decent. pls
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Skolima
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:13:00 -
[106]
/signed
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:15:00 -
[107]
-- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.14 00:26:00 -
[108]
signed, why dont you go with the CSM? ---- Ceterum censeo blasters need some tracking love |
Risingson
Mezzanine Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.14 16:36:00 -
[109]
some love for the IGB would defnitely be fantastic first of all rendering speed especially tables
some more suggegstions: ) auto hover maps for solarsystemnames + right click menu ) drag and drop items into form fields ) provide current destination within header if trusted
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Verlic
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:22:00 -
[110]
/signed
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Zhora Six
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Posted - 2008.12.15 12:37:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Zhora Six on 15/12/2008 12:39:53
Originally by: Ix Forres
edit: first post from my new smartphone and it worked! \o/
If only the igb worked half as well...
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Sir Trump
Amarr Core Research Expedition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:15:00 -
[112]
Signed __________ Sir Trump Chief Executive Officer - C.O.R.E. |
Necrothitude
Caldari Socialites Of The Crazy Horse Saloon The Economy
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Posted - 2008.12.16 01:07:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Chruker Sign this if you want CCP to prioritize the development of a better ingame browser
Have you considered that maybe they could use a third-party renderer, such as Webkit, so that then they wouldn't have to necessarily bother with the browser at all?
I think they need to fix the browser, yes, but I don't think continuing their custom-browser is the answer.
FYI, webkit isn't a whole browser, it's just the renderer. It would replace the renderer to the existing browser in EVE - you'd still have in-game browsing, only it'd work faster and much more reliably. Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ |
Berguin
MAGEN DAVID Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.16 02:45:00 -
[114]
I think that CCP will rather introduce a totally new 3d xml-based internal language to support its 3D spacestation-walking browser. So thez no need to focus its forces at redoing old things that gonna be jetted during this updates. |
KiEvA
Caldari Engame Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:23:00 -
[115]
quicker ingame browser FTW -Space Chicks Research Corporation- |
vVPhaetonVv
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Posted - 2008.12.17 17:36:00 -
[116]
Signed (don`t like the picture although)
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flashsplat
Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.12.17 18:41:00 -
[117]
It is sad that my phone has a better browser than eve does :\
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MasterXC
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:38:00 -
[118]
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:40:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Illwill Bill on 18/12/2008 17:40:54 /signed
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Sentinellium
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:28:00 -
[120]
/signed
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Msquare
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:09:00 -
[121]
Me, too.
/signed
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Maylpancer
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Posted - 2008.12.19 19:56:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Ix Forres
/me too
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Aeon Bishop
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Posted - 2008.12.20 22:48:00 -
[123]
/me too!
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Grentana
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Posted - 2008.12.21 03:11:00 -
[124]
In game browser update would be great. It is so slow and unusable to me I do not use it for anything. I switch out to regular browser for any type of browser needs.
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Zoolman
Monkey Universe Corporation Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.12.21 04:25:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Zoolman on 21/12/2008 04:25:14 /sign
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.22 20:32:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Ix Forres
Also like to add a fixed-width font would be LOVELY. _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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sacul kirdneh
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:42:00 -
[127]
Complettly agree. The IGB needs special development. And thanks to Chruker for the wonderfull site he offers us all.
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ioannis
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Posted - 2008.12.26 11:13:00 -
[128]
/signed
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Shi'arra
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:40:00 -
[129]
/signed
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Krandor delMarniol
Legion of Black Mesa
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Posted - 2008.12.26 18:08:00 -
[130]
/signed ----------------------------------------------------
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Aveng3X
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2008.12.26 21:05:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Bromine Mercury Unsigned.
Remove the IGB. Don't waste another second of developer time on things that are better solved elsewhere.
While you're at it, drop the calculator and Eve Voice.
Are you a total fool? Remove EVE Voice? I suppose you never tuned in to live dev blogs (somewhat lulsworthy, but definitely noteworthy) or used EVE voice instead of spamming Vent/TS IPs in fleet/some other channel nobody watches anyway.
Anyway, /signed to the good sir Chruker. __________________________
Any views expressed are not necessarily the views of my corporation or alliance.
YARR! |
Number 52
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Posted - 2008.12.27 01:22:00 -
[132]
/signed
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.27 20:39:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Aveng3X Are you a total fool? Remove EVE Voice?
Yes, no kidding. Remove EVE Voice. It shouldn't be built into client, rather - be a documented API to connect TS/Vent clients to EVE. So even when (not if, but when) EVE crashing or stalling, you do not loose communication with your fleet. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
michaelfeb16
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Posted - 2008.12.27 22:14:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Ix Forres
The current browser is all but useless. I find myself using IE in the Steam overlay or minimizing for FF..which is all a shame. I was originally excited when I heard their was a browser in the game.
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Rob Vicious
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:07:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Rob Vicious on 28/12/2008 03:07:26
Originally by: Ix Forres
/signed
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Rabbit kila
Root Beer.
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:53:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Jeats Cheats
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.28 06:49:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Hanathor
Gallente Igneus Phoenix
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:07:00 -
[138]
/signed ------------------ Cheers, Marco |
RaptorJesus17
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Posted - 2008.12.29 11:25:00 -
[139]
/signed
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Farloc WindSoarer
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.30 04:57:00 -
[140]
/signed
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Xenari
Twinstar Universal Services New EVE Rising
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Posted - 2008.12.30 11:36:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Ix Forres
We need a better IGB!
Thanks and greetings Xenari
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MentorRo
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Posted - 2008.12.30 15:14:00 -
[142]
/signed
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Malusae
Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:11:00 -
[143]
/signed for performance tweaks
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Tavvish
Rogues United
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:28:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Jana Clant
Originally by: Ix Forres
Life should come with a giant cat |
Michael Solmotar
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:40:00 -
[145]
signed - yes, ingame browser is kind of useless at the moment ...
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries United Star Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.01 21:31:00 -
[146]
/signed please fix the damn thing soon, hard to develop 3rd party programs for eve under current conditions -++ |
Riley Masterson
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Posted - 2009.01.02 19:40:00 -
[147]
/signed
The IGB is used in the background of so many things that it only makes sense to insure that it works well.
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Horsevad
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Posted - 2009.01.02 23:06:00 -
[148]
Yearh EVE need a new browser, I'we only been playing for a month and i used the browser twice, because it is using a billion years on loading (or it feels so)
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Jecos
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Posted - 2009.01.03 01:20:00 -
[149]
Please for the love of god even a slight improvement in the IGO I would praise
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Alvar Ursidae
Zero People Skills Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:44:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Ix Forres
Black Scope My Graphics Site |
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Mara Sci
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Posted - 2009.01.06 18:27:00 -
[151]
/signed
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xDohmenx
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Posted - 2009.01.07 04:07:00 -
[152]
I believe that they need to implement / upgrade a better browser. I know it doesnt need to be all that great since it is an IGB, but if it didnt go so slow rendering tables that would be great :)
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Annataith
Minmatar Quarks und Co
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Posted - 2009.01.07 10:47:00 -
[153]
Yes, please upgrade the IGB. :) I really love that something like this is in the game.
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Queen chick
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Posted - 2009.01.10 11:24:00 -
[154]
i'm signed i want better IGB i'm an medium programer and i can do it easy..and entire CCP can't do that?
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John'eh
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Posted - 2009.01.11 05:18:00 -
[155]
Signed |
CottageCheese Discharge
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Posted - 2009.01.11 16:11:00 -
[156]
signed. It'd be nice to be able to run the thing at a more functional level instead of the rotting piece of cheese that it is at the moment. |
Eirellle
Decimus Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.12 05:15:00 -
[157]
/signed |
Carnage42
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:33:00 -
[158]
/Signed
Put more Hamsters @ work in this IGB.
"The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle" |
Mussaschi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 13:19:00 -
[159]
Worst of all. Currently the IGB currently brings my gameplay down, having fps of 0.2 if the site is not answering in time. Have stopped using the IDB in low and 0.0 since it simple spell death now.
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Smeck
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:04:00 -
[160]
/signed
Put prisoners to work on treadmills so they put the power output to the servers :D
Wehn they get tired, let them rest in chairs hooked up to the treadmills others are running on.
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Ambre Blanche
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:45:00 -
[161]
/signed
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Angelus Dux
Gallente Curator Angelus
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:10:00 -
[162]
/signed
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Veleck
Gallente Darkness Rising Materials and Resource Control Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:13:00 -
[163]
/signed
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spudzonatron
FarScapeOne Disaster Factor
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:36:00 -
[164]
+1
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Kashimax
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:37:00 -
[165]
/signed... if they read this!
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Oday Darkcrest
Minmatar Veldspar International Imperial Defense Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:32:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Ix Forres
I concur --------------------------------------------------
Do it today, tomorrow it might be Illegal :D |
Sillat
Minmatar ShadowTec Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 11:34:00 -
[167]
Would be nice as there are many wonderful EVE related browser based projects out there..
Hmm, while you're at it, how about an IGB header with some 'cookie' (that is, unique code, linked to the pilot using the igb) with an API function to very that the current 'cookie' for pilot X is <insert code> - This could either be a login session code, or one that changes every hour or so but would certainly help to prevent spoofing an IGB session to gain access to resources that were not intended for use by the person using a proxy to fake an IGB and pilot details.
So yeah, /signed (Sadly, being a developer, I know it's unlikely this will happen any time soon because it's no small task to replace such a deeply routed system but hey, show the love)
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Joey1
Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:08:00 -
[168]
/signed -----------------------------------------------------
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Metalcali
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.18 17:21:00 -
[169]
Sure, why not.
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Eop Ceci
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Posted - 2009.01.18 19:09:00 -
[170]
/signed
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Afturmath
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.01.19 05:09:00 -
[171]
Definitely /signed. |
FullMetal Basilisk
Minmatar Freeform Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.19 15:44:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Chruker Sign this if you want CCP to prioritize the development of a better ingame browser
Development on the ingame browser (IGB) have been neglected for so long. - For the last 2+ years it has had horrible rendering time on any content with tables. - It is also rendering tables errornously, especially noticable in the computation of table and column widths.
Now lately it seems to have gotten some very annoying bugs: - All pages (regardless of content) seems to have some sort of delay (2-3 seconds), making sites very slow. - Form fields are broken (maybe especially when combined with tables). - The IGB also fails to construct correct urls for some images in tables.
And while I'm sure most of these bugs have been reported or are least hopefully bugging CCP players during their daily gametime, then I fear that fixing the IGB have so low priority.
I believe the horrible performance of the IGB are hurting sites already providing some content, but even more important it is likely preventing community developers to develop sites that take advantage of the IGB's unique functionality.
Personally, I dont care if CCP fixes their existing code (through a UI overhaul), uses some other 3rd party code (Opera ex.), use browser functionaly provided by the OS, or some other option. However it must render HTML correctly and fast.
/signed
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piratezxp
Caldari Cerulean Sky Fire Industries AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.01.19 15:49:00 -
[173]
if valve can shove a IE Based browser into the source engine ( seen on CSS's MOTD and others ) then can ccp do this too?...
/signed Signature --------------------- EVE Online VoIP Services: http://evevoip.alienxservers.co.uk |
Induc
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:17:00 -
[174]
Why? It's many times easier and faster to tab out to your normal browser, and I doubt CCP could do a browser ingame that beats a regular browser. |
Pymet Lir
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:25:00 -
[175]
Meh, For those of you who use Steam Valves digital download service you can easily add EVE to your list of Steam games as a shortcut and use Steams overlay browser which works perfectly and supports crazy things like flash (yes you can watch those youtube links in game now!) Works flawlessly and I won't tell you the rendering engine... Try it even if you have never used Steam, it's totally free. Thank you Valve!
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T 2
Minmatar Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:43:00 -
[176]
/signed ----------- Member of Tribal Core - fighting for Minmatar Militia. Death to Amarr; long live the Minmatar Nation.
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Covert Kitty
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.01.21 11:52:00 -
[177]
Quote: if valve can shove a IE Based browser into the source engine
Bad idea on so many levels. To name a few: security, system resources, mac and linux clients.
They should probably be looking more at something like lynx or links2 for inspiration, both are fast, open source, and are primarily text oriented. The features don't matter much to me, I say stick with text and minimal graphics support.
However yes, the current version is so amazingly slow that you would probably have to try to make it that bad. If I had to outright guess at where the problem is, I would guess that its related to the packet handling in the client (using the game's network system instead of something separate).
Heres hoping that it gets faster and lighter, not more bloated.
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Telaan
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
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Posted - 2009.01.21 16:35:00 -
[178]
Signed - was trying to negotiate several pages of a website and the delay between each page showing is frustrating at best, horrific at worst
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CSH WhiteKnight
Gallente Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 16:37:00 -
[179]
/signed
oh god yes... sort this out right the hell now... please.
Seriously... EVE is a game of lists, numbers, statistics, graphs and calculations.
WE NEED GOOD TABLE PERFORMANCE.
Please fix this.
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Callea Melin
Amarr MevilD
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:58:00 -
[180]
/signed |
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:13:00 -
[181]
Why not take X-Fire's new IGB and license it? That way it's not attached to an outside program... and it works. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony Item Database
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E Patch
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:12:00 -
[182]
/signed
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Wahjoo
Minmatar Ghoulish Endeavors
|
Posted - 2009.01.23 15:13:00 -
[183]
"We were once so close to heaven; Peter came out and gave us medals, declaring us the nicest of the damned." |
Arri Gato
Gallente
|
Posted - 2009.01.23 22:29:00 -
[184]
/signed
it's reeeeally slow...
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Gecko State
Minmatar Urban Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.24 03:13:00 -
[185]
/signed
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ScoobieBoy
Gallente SKots INdusTries The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2009.01.25 07:21:00 -
[186]
/signed
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Reef Skywalker
|
Posted - 2009.01.25 15:48:00 -
[187]
/signed |
Red 7
|
Posted - 2009.01.26 10:15:00 -
[188]
Aye - 100% behind this!
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Rapscallion V
|
Posted - 2009.01.26 13:20:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Magus Fortune
|
Posted - 2009.01.26 13:21:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Ix Forres
/signed
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Ziat
|
Posted - 2009.01.27 19:43:00 -
[191]
/Signd
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CleverPenguin
Caldari Anal Manual
|
Posted - 2009.01.27 20:23:00 -
[192]
/signed _________________________________________________________
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Grey Hameleon
|
Posted - 2009.01.27 22:23:00 -
[193]
+1 |
Heaven killer
|
Posted - 2009.01.28 06:19:00 -
[194]
/signed where is mozilla????!!! ))
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Volga HaND
|
Posted - 2009.01.28 09:42:00 -
[195]
signed
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Retklat
|
Posted - 2009.01.28 10:27:00 -
[196]
/signed
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Ni'Hau
|
Posted - 2009.01.28 10:51:00 -
[197]
SIGNED
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Charge Set
|
Posted - 2009.01.28 11:53:00 -
[198]
/signed |
AeonOfTime
Minmatar Syrkos Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:20:00 -
[199]
/signed.
I have built several ingame sites and tools, and while it is doable it should not be a science in itself to work out all the quirks and have to accept so many tradeoffs. I think a better ingame browser would help democratize ingame-oriented sites and tools. |
Duante
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Posted - 2009.01.29 00:28:00 -
[200]
/signed |
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SamaraMan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 05:59:00 -
[201]
+1 |
Lady Urza
|
Posted - 2009.01.29 08:23:00 -
[202]
/signed |
Camuran
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:14:00 -
[203]
You have my support.
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LAZst
|
Posted - 2009.01.29 13:39:00 -
[204]
/signed |
rantuket
Caldari legion industries ltd
|
Posted - 2009.01.30 01:43:00 -
[205]
Would be great to have additional functionality.
+1
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MCK1ller
|
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:13:00 -
[206]
/signed
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Serocco
Amarr Independent nation
|
Posted - 2009.01.30 16:04:00 -
[207]
Just do it! |
Covert Kitty
Amarr Hedion University
|
Posted - 2009.01.30 16:06:00 -
[208]
Listen guys, embedding or integrating some full featured browser is not needed, would be a great deal of work, expensive to maintain, and would be difficult to keep compatible with wine. More features in the IGB are just "nice to have" they aren't needed, or even important. If anything, I say look at links2 for guidance/inspiration http://links.twibright.com/.
What IS important is to address the speed issue, things should not be taking as long as they are to load, that needs to change, so I voted yes.
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redCube
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:35:00 -
[209]
/sign
@previous post: There are some rendering engines that are quite easy to include into existing programs. (e.g. Gecko [Firefox] or even the IE engine) |
Camomile
Souls Takers
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Posted - 2009.01.31 02:40:00 -
[210]
no need |
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Covert Kitty
Amarr Hedion University
|
Posted - 2009.01.31 13:28:00 -
[211]
IE = goodbye linux and mac And both IE and FF are far too large and featured for what would be suitable for use inside Eve. Don't forget, you would have to extend them to support the custom things the IGB does now (like system and item links). In addition your opening yourself up for a great deal of additional maintenance work needing to keep up with security fixes, and on and on. Its also much harder to integrate than you think it is. In short, they aren't going to do something like that, nor is it a good idea to try.
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Dragonaire
Caldari Corax.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 21:00:00 -
[212]
The engine that drives all the web browsers isn't that hard to integrate really and CCP has said they need to replace the current one to make some of the planned changes to the interface for all the walking in stations junk. Don't confuse the applications like Firefox etc with the base engine which is much smaller and made to be integrated. I'm running 3 applications all build on Gecko: Firefox, Songbird, and Komodo Edit and others like WebKit etc can/have also be adapted for different uses. Gecko also has the advantage that it does run on all 3 platforms that eve does and it's not alone in that but since they basically are using Wine to act like it still on a windows machine instead of making a native client that's also a moat point.
They don't need to include a full feature browser just the base engine that follows the web standards with all the current IGB added stuff would be fine. Have the extra headers isn't hard as there are add-ons you can use now to make Firefox look like IGB to sites and adding the extra handling for showinfo: etc is easy to do.
Most of the engines also have Python APIs so that isn't a problem either so I don't see any reason for CCP to spend the extra man-years to make their own again when with a few changes they can just integrate an existing proven engine. |
FlyingSfinks
Caldari Order of Maltese Knights
|
Posted - 2009.02.01 12:33:00 -
[213]
Yes. We need better IGB
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Mira Lemuria
Gallente Automated Stellar Systems Intergalactic Exports Group
|
Posted - 2009.02.02 11:53:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Covert Kitty IE = goodbye linux and mac And both IE and FF are far too large and featured for what would be suitable for use inside Eve. Don't forget, you would have to extend them to support the custom things the IGB does now (like system and item links). In addition your opening yourself up for a great deal of additional maintenance work needing to keep up with security fixes, and on and on. Its also much harder to integrate than you think it is. In short, they aren't going to do something like that, nor is it a good idea to try.
nah
if they make it a very basic edit to it, the bugfixes made by the mozilla foundation/Open Source community, can be implemented easily |
Volucer S
Noob Fight Club Noob Fleet
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:15:00 -
[215]
/signed
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Huan CK
Gallente GK inc. R.U.R.
|
Posted - 2009.02.07 10:43:00 -
[216]
I'm indifferent, but imo there's 2 options
a) fix it and do it propper
or
b) take it out
I'm kinda indifferent, but you should chose one of the above.
My videos: Watch on youtube. |
Dansel
Gallente Hercules Ltd
|
Posted - 2009.02.07 12:43:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Ix Forres Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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Wordon
|
Posted - 2009.02.09 11:39:00 -
[218]
Yes, we need better IGB! |
Moizo
Abh Empire Shadow of xXDEATHXx
|
Posted - 2009.02.09 21:18:00 -
[219]
I hope this will be fixed with the march patch, the corporation im in uses the IGB for pratically everything cause of the API check or something, its horrible speed makes it quite a nuisance so PLEASE fix it, doesn't have to be fancy and superfast, but just workable. |
UberHaqer
Gallente Abh Empire Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:48:00 -
[220]
Edited by: UberHaqer on 09/02/2009 21:50:05
Originally by: Moizo I hope this will be fixed with the march patch, the corporation im in uses the IGB for pratically everything cause of the API check or something, its horrible speed makes it quite a nuisance so PLEASE fix it, doesn't have to be fancy and superfast, but just workable.
Hear Hear 1000101 1000101 1000110 |
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Neelan
Minmatar Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
|
Posted - 2009.02.10 00:44:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Ix Forres Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
What he said
When loading a page the IGB even laggs the game... I mean, omg... |
Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
|
Posted - 2009.02.10 00:56:00 -
[222]
I second this. |
Wurzelius Pacifistus
|
Posted - 2009.02.10 05:06:00 -
[223]
Aye! I'm with ya on this. |
Dodikaedr
|
Posted - 2009.02.10 10:22:00 -
[224]
Need to add a icon for making bookmarks! |
Mike C
Caldari
|
Posted - 2009.02.10 23:51:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Chruker
Sign this if you want CCP to prioritize the development of a better ingame browser
/signed
Until then, I'll be using the xfire ingame browser (It even supports both eve-radio.com plugins, w00t) which makes the IGB look like my old Win3.1x |
Frozen Fallout
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
|
Posted - 2009.02.12 03:42:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Ix Forres
This
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Nefya
|
Posted - 2009.02.14 11:47:00 -
[227]
/signed |
Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
|
Posted - 2009.02.14 16:16:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Ix Forres
___________________
A-WAR, much love. <3 |
Root'er
|
Posted - 2009.02.14 17:39:00 -
[229]
/signed
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Yarblek Runningwolf
|
Posted - 2009.02.14 17:41:00 -
[230]
I have to say the in-game browser is so S L O W I often don't bother and just alt-tab out. A fix would be very nice
|
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Tex Wisestar
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Posted - 2009.02.15 01:20:00 -
[231]
/signed
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Mikail Assimov
|
Posted - 2009.02.15 01:49:00 -
[232]
please make the IGB faster and more stable. At least to net standards or take it out.
Regards Mikail
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2009.02.15 13:56:00 -
[233]
Signed.
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Akilum
Turanic Raiders
|
Posted - 2009.02.15 18:21:00 -
[234]
/signed
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Covert Kitty
Amarr Rock Grinders
|
Posted - 2009.02.16 01:57:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Covert Kitty on 16/02/2009 02:00:12 Well whatever they decide to do __DO NOT__ take it out, or remove the eve specific features. Multiple player made apps rely on this functionality(including one ive developed), and despite its slow speed and other failings, the ability to create links to items, systems, stations, etc is incredibly useful. I shouldn't need to remind you that the IGB is currently the only way to provide an in-game interface to external player created applications.
The ability to render simple forms and text only pages is all I care about. Make the IGB faster and lighter, not bigger. If I want to watch youtube, or browse some complex site, Ill hit alt-tab. The IGB was never intended to be some general purpose browser to surf the web with, its purpose is to render in game news, and 3rd party apps. Stay focused on that, say no to bloat. As the saying goes: "If you try to be everything, you'll suck at everything"
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kabet shadow
|
Posted - 2009.02.16 22:01:00 -
[236]
/signed
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Dal' Hassen
Minmatar 10045th Logistics Battalion
|
Posted - 2009.02.17 00:47:00 -
[237]
/not signed
I dont blame CCP for letting the IGB be so generic, you can make a site for it, thats enough. If i were a developer at CCP, ya I'd think hey lets sweeten this up with a cool standards compliant in game web browser, then my senses would kick in and say, ahh better not, I dont think I want all sorts of unchecked code being pulled up through the game I've worked hard to build. I mean seriously, do you know how many people will attempt to take advantage of a NEW browser that allows you to view your pretty flash and javascript? I dont think CCP wants plagued with the issues of running a modern web-browser.
Second, on the topic of Flash, ya its great for displaying rich media, but I dont ever remember hearing that it was open source and that a company could just put it into their product and sell it. Why do you think you have to download a plugin.
CCP if your going to improve it, improve it on the basis of functionality and xhtml CSS compliancy, avoid javascript and flash and all the fancy dodads modern browsers currently use...but first and foremost make the game.
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Targie McRed
Gallente Merchants Trade Consortium
|
Posted - 2009.02.17 10:44:00 -
[238]
Targie McRed Signs this pertition
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Retanty
|
Posted - 2009.02.17 10:57:00 -
[239]
+1
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Misaki Rena
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2009.02.17 14:34:00 -
[240]
I'd love to have a better ingame browser. I really don't like switching out of EVE in order to look things up, but it takes so long to do it in the IGB that I'd be wasting time not to. :-/
|
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Mohenna
|
Posted - 2009.02.17 15:23:00 -
[241]
A strange thing regarding the IGB is that it seems to be programmed in a nice async call mode: when you open it, while the homepage is loaded I can open a new view.
But then, when I click anywhere, why does the behaviour become sync call - and I need to wait for a page to be displayed before opening anything else?? This is silly.
Just correcting this behaviour, or at least allowing to "open in new view" without shifitng focus to the new view, would make it incredibly smoother...
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orion25428
|
Posted - 2009.02.19 02:36:00 -
[242]
A better IGB would be sweet, the old one is just so slow it is painful to use for anything.
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Alesk Remo
Amarr Corpus Prometheus
|
Posted - 2009.02.19 05:08:00 -
[243]
signed. |
Vini Shius
Eve University
|
Posted - 2009.02.19 15:29:00 -
[244]
/signed
Actually CCP should scrap the current codebase for IGB and instead integrate a battle proven, lightweight rendering engine like WebKit.
|
DeMoN RUS
|
Posted - 2009.02.19 15:47:00 -
[245]
+1
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Leon DroneKiller
|
Posted - 2009.02.19 15:50:00 -
[246]
/signed
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Seetesh
Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
|
Posted - 2009.02.20 00:51:00 -
[247]
/Signed needs alot of work especially for 3rd party tailor built websites.
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ArcheryTXS
ZER0.
|
Posted - 2009.02.20 04:18:00 -
[248]
at list do it like wap or xhtml browser
imho
**/** City Sadness... |
Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
|
Posted - 2009.02.20 21:26:00 -
[249]
We should post something for the CSM, the IGB is becoming nigh-unusable. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony Item Database
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Msk100
Caldari BlackWater Research and Developement
|
Posted - 2009.02.21 00:04:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Ix Forres
|
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Angrin III
|
Posted - 2009.02.21 01:01:00 -
[251]
Signed.
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Zuoquan Lin
|
Posted - 2009.02.21 02:43:00 -
[252]
Signed.
Those of us who use the Mac client also have a really bad experience. IGB is SO slow... minutes to load a page... if it loads at all. And if we switch out of EVE to system and use a real browser, we get crashes due to memory leak that is still not fixed in Mac client.
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Anapy
|
Posted - 2009.02.21 05:01:00 -
[253]
Signed
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Helel Lightbringer
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
|
Posted - 2009.02.21 08:33:00 -
[254]
/signed
***** "It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma." -- Winston Churchill |
You What
eXceeded
|
Posted - 2009.02.22 11:14:00 -
[255]
/signed
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woddel
Gallente Canis Industries Ltd D0GMA
|
Posted - 2009.02.22 12:42:00 -
[256]
signed too. it's just sooooo dammned slow...
woddel --- creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Samira'Ri
|
Posted - 2009.02.22 19:58:00 -
[257]
please please please please please make the browser better
|
ED1
Trackland DeMoN's N AnGeL's
|
Posted - 2009.02.23 15:40:00 -
[258]
*signed* _____________________________ eve.trackland.net |
Nova Krysalis
Caldari Pacific Dawn
|
Posted - 2009.02.23 17:54:00 -
[259]
----------------------------------------------- All I ask is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by.... |
Talaan Stardrifter
Universal Exports
|
Posted - 2009.02.24 07:06:00 -
[260]
Edited by: Talaan Stardrifter on 24/02/2009 07:16:59 I really couldn't care less if they made it better.
I just want it FASTER!!
Of course, some improvements would be nice:
- Drag+Drop form field for items
- "Send Money To:" link (for sending bills to characters)
- mini-maps drawn correctly (not an 'igb' issue, per se)
(if some of these items are out of date, it's because I haven't used the IGB for a few months cos it hangs my system )
*edit: lol, oops: Linkage but my sentiments still stand.
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RiL Vent
|
Posted - 2009.02.25 06:12:00 -
[261]
/Signed
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WhisperOfDeath
|
Posted - 2009.02.25 20:03:00 -
[262]
/Signed
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Larcell
|
Posted - 2009.02.26 08:55:00 -
[263]
Signed.
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Macilles
Caldari State War Academy
|
Posted - 2009.02.26 13:53:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Ix Forres
^^
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Swiz
Risky eXplosion
|
Posted - 2009.02.26 15:33:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Gruzzz
|
Posted - 2009.02.26 21:23:00 -
[266]
Signed
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Illioe
|
Posted - 2009.02.26 22:34:00 -
[267]
Yes
I would like to see the browser maintain the same limited functionality, but it needs MUCH, MUCH faster response + load time.
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FrozenAir
Amarr Russian Mafia Team
|
Posted - 2009.02.27 07:24:00 -
[268]
"However it must render HTML correctly and fast." +1000
|
xRiVeN
|
Posted - 2009.02.27 11:35:00 -
[269]
Signed
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Caladain Barton
Vengeance Imperium
|
Posted - 2009.02.27 21:33:00 -
[270]
/signed.
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Dmitry Morgano
|
Posted - 2009.02.28 11:02:00 -
[271]
By my troth, I have to go out to Opera.
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Kalyn Mareen
|
Posted - 2009.02.28 13:59:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Kalyn Mareen on 28/02/2009 14:00:03 I sign this, because i want CCP to make the IGB faster ! and Better !
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Zartoll
Caldari Electrostatik
|
Posted - 2009.02.28 14:37:00 -
[273]
Yes, please upgrade the browser... my computer begins to cry every time I click on the IGB icon!! I prefer hitting the WinBloz key and starting up Firefox to using the IGB. ...
Frag Incorporated Come... Get Your FRAG On! |
Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
|
Posted - 2009.02.28 14:54:00 -
[274]
and how hard would it *really* be to take the lovely Open-Source Chromium engine, remove support for content like flash and whatnot, add the additional headers and slap it into the client.
Really. ---O-H--S-H-I-T---
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Bael Gar
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Posted - 2009.02.28 20:45:00 -
[275]
/sign !
IGB works extremely slow
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Tahkayun
|
Posted - 2009.02.28 21:41:00 -
[276]
I agree.
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Acid Xb
|
Posted - 2009.02.28 23:32:00 -
[277]
/signed
The data the IGB exports in it's header on each refresh can be built into useful applications, and a nicer interface for such applications would be great, even if it was just updating to HTML 4.
|
Dividen
|
Posted - 2009.02.28 23:52:00 -
[278]
/Sign
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Morgklog
|
Posted - 2009.03.01 02:15:00 -
[279]
/Sign
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Dex Dach
|
Posted - 2009.03.01 21:12:00 -
[280]
/sign
|
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Preddy
Minmatar Konstrukteure der Zukunft AAA Citizens
|
Posted - 2009.03.02 11:37:00 -
[281]
/ signed
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Adira Deimos
|
Posted - 2009.03.03 15:21:00 -
[282]
/signed |
jolin litefoot
|
Posted - 2009.03.03 22:22:00 -
[283]
I think having a proper high performance IGB would be great. Please fix this issue.
|
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
|
Posted - 2009.03.04 01:05:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Zartoll Yes, please upgrade the browser... my computer begins to cry every time I click on the IGB icon!! I prefer hitting the WinBloz key and starting up Firefox to using the IGB.
My computer begin to cry every time I click to any icon in EVE O.o But IGB is the most sad of all things. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Lag
|
Posted - 2009.03.04 16:46:00 -
[285]
Edited by: Lag on 04/03/2009 16:46:50 signed. I'm tired of affecting everybody.
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Valtrinor
Isotope Incorporated Dead Mans Hand
|
Posted - 2009.03.05 02:47:00 -
[286]
/signed
As a programmer/web developer the current state of the IGB makes me want to cry
Seriously, it needs some love from the devs! ___________________ Valtrinor Isotope Incorporated Dead Mans Hand |
Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
|
Posted - 2009.03.05 21:02:00 -
[287]
www.starvingpoet.net/?IGB=TEST should not take over a minute to load. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony A man creates; A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' Item Database
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Dumah Tace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.08 06:39:00 -
[288]
The IGB needs some work. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
|
Posted - 2009.03.08 07:02:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Pwett www.starvingpoet.net/?IGB=TEST should not take over a minute to load.
LOL! Ten years ago, on a modem 21.600bps line, it would never take longer than 20 sec to load... -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Zuiki
Ulysse Inc. ISULA
|
Posted - 2009.03.08 13:17:00 -
[290]
/signed
|
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 15:25:00 -
[291]
/signed
Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK |
kaltiron
|
Posted - 2009.03.11 13:00:00 -
[292]
/signed.
It seems to be even worse now after Apocrypha. Locks up all of the time, etc....
|
Sikh Sattva
Minmatar Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2009.03.13 05:58:00 -
[293]
/signed |
Baal Aristaeus
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2009.03.13 14:29:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Ix Forres
Baal Aristaeus eats horses.. |
Cyhawk
|
Posted - 2009.03.14 23:50:00 -
[295]
Signed! Webkit or Gecko should be easy enough =)
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Myntric Atoch
Eternity INC.
|
Posted - 2009.03.15 16:23:00 -
[296]
Edited by: Myntric Atoch on 15/03/2009 16:23:29
No - no - no. Get rid of it completely. Unless sufficient engineering is put into making it industrial strength and maintaining it as such it will always be a security and performance liability. Spend the limited developer and tester budget where its its needed - in the game itself.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
|
Posted - 2009.03.15 16:58:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Myntric Atoch No - no - no. Get rid of it completely. Unless sufficient engineering is put into making it industrial strength and maintaining it as such it will always be a security and performance liability. Spend the limited developer and tester budget where its its needed - in the game itself.
Kidding, right? IGB is the part of the game. All NPC dialogs and mission briefings based on it. You asking to get rid of all missions or what? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Arch Miner
|
Posted - 2009.03.16 23:33:00 -
[298]
I would say no. Not because I dont want it to be better. But I don't wanna know what bugs they would create if they were trying to make it better! haha
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Crux Xybalba
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
|
Posted - 2009.03.17 16:51:00 -
[299]
I definitely agree! The IGB is a large deficit to the quality of the game.
-Crux
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Trocent
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
|
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:42:00 -
[300]
signed
|
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Syriana Luna
Minmatar Native Freshfood
|
Posted - 2009.03.19 05:29:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Esslyn
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:01:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Ashaak
Hikage Corporation Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 19:14:00 -
[303]
/signed
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:51:00 -
[304]
/signed
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Mrs MaltaProject
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:47:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Nadejda Kerensky
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:53:00 -
[306]
sign
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:21:00 -
[307]
Edited by: Lifelongnoob on 25/03/2009 18:21:54 ccp would be better off adding a rightclick open url in your default web browser option rather than try to develop one
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Mayobe
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Posted - 2009.03.26 10:09:00 -
[308]
/signed
It's funny how people are acting like this would be a huge task to accomplish. There are some very good, fast and secure libs out there for html parsing and it's really not too hard to just write one from scratch anyway. The IGB is ridiculously buggy, even when performing the simplest of tasks. In dev for a local-serving application I found that it takes EVE 2 connections and about 20 seconds just to load a 200x200 jpg from 'localhost' even though the image is stored in memory on the server end. That's just silly. (Are you guys throttling the transfer with a microscopic buffer or something? Open that sucker up!)
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.26 11:53:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Lifelongnoob Edited by: Lifelongnoob on 25/03/2009 18:21:54 ccp would be better off adding a rightclick open url in your default web browser option rather than try to develop one
How could your default web browsed be capable of feeding all the information IGB sending to trusted sites? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
DonSailieri
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.26 13:07:00 -
[310]
Edited by: DonSailieri on 26/03/2009 13:07:59
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Silwar Naiilo
Crimson Logistical
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Posted - 2009.03.26 20:44:00 -
[311]
/signed.
Integrate Webkit
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Dr Destroy
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:53:00 -
[312]
me want 2 a better IGB...
plese
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Zael Afira
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Posted - 2009.03.29 02:06:00 -
[313]
Edited by: Zael Afira on 29/03/2009 02:06:38 Dont waste your time, I'd much rather alt+tab to a real browser to get the full experience. I vote removing it altogether BUT ensuring that links do open the default browser on the user's comupter if the resource is external. However, If you really have a hard on about improving this please:
- Replace your rendering engine with an open source one that is readily available and pre-tested (ex. webkit).
- Include the ability to link to internal game reference material (as mentioned by someone in this thread)
- Support for javascript isn't necessary (and I'm sure would cause you hassle and your bosses a heart attack), but the benefits of allowing it would be greatly revive the IGB developers network...imo. (think of being able to write in-game "programs" to improve your experience as an eve goer....perhaps even selling those programs ont he market ;) ;) ;))
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.29 17:08:00 -
[314]
Actually, the rendering engine is not a culprit, as it apperas someone think about it. Problem is the famous "Stackless Python", the very base of EVE... Without sufficient working threads, it tend to queue actions in the same thread, which from user side looks like momentarily interface freezing, stutter, and, in regard to the IGB, "slow page loaging/rendering". It's not loading or rendering, it's CPU busy processing other tasks in the same thread or switched out to separate thread to keep it all running... that's how multitasking works and nothing you can do about it without addressing the core issue of the command processing in your application. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.29 17:30:00 -
[315]
To the ingame programs. Let me tell those unaware of it that IGB supports the "service feeds" already. The Refresh: sessionchange header allow you to have page reloaded on the, yes, session change. Such as (un)docking, jumping through gate or entering wormhole. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Alangiv
Caldari Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.03.30 05:38:00 -
[316]
Edited by: Alangiv on 30/03/2009 05:47:49 Edited by: Alangiv on 30/03/2009 05:39:37 /signed.
Hell yeah. It should not even be that much work. Using Gecko or Webkit in a 3d program is easy these days (speaking from experience), although I don't know how in would integrate into the client architecturally. Point is, CCP don't have to re-invent the wheel to get it done.
I have seen people here say that an IGB is pointless, but I have to disagree. The Eve IGB allows for easy user authentication for corps/alliances etc.
It also negates requiring to alt-tab like a crazy person. Ever since Aprocrypha's last patch, Eve can CTD sometimes if I alt-tab in the wrong way. This has never happened after almost 3 years using the various clients. Less alt-tabbing is good whatever way u look at it.
Good In Game Browser support will encourage all sorts of interesting 3d-party development for EvE.
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MrWhitei God
Minmatar Elenia Freelancers
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Posted - 2009.03.31 12:44:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Nexus Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.03.31 13:00:00 -
[318]
I'd simply /sign this but i've seen lately it's now spam so..
Yes, the browser need an update regarding HTML/CSS support. -Add a slider in settings (or on the browser itself?) regarding CPU load it can use. It is curently limited so the game itself is served first; -Support for standard HTML3 or 4 and CSS. It currently support some and is bad for many others.
No, we don't need flash/javascript support or anything that could be abused, just the proper formating that is currently really bad (with table support etc..)
Way too many stuff, even basically formated, can't be used in-game and it's sad already. The IGB has been designed to be used with out-of-game content. There is support for in-game information like you corp, location etc.. Code to display maps and in-game items (if I'm not mistaken).
Correcting what should be working now would be amazing. And adding the CPU slider, awesome
-Angel |
Vini Shius
Eve University
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Posted - 2009.03.31 14:16:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Alangiv I have seen people here say that an IGB is pointless, but I have to disagree. The Eve IGB allows for easy user authentication for corps/alliances etc.
IGB authentication is very easily spoofable. Sure, it's handy but as trustworthy as that guy trying to sell you some snake oil to grow hair on your head.
I'd love to see CCP implement OAuth or some other trustworthy authentication scheme web developers could leverage. Doing this right might indeed remove the need for a IGB. (but I'd still like one. Embed WebKit, plz) |
Per Bastet
Amarr B.O.O.M
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Posted - 2009.03.31 14:37:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.31 22:19:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Angel Lightbringer -Add a slider in settings (or on the browser itself?) regarding CPU load it can use. It is curently limited so the game itself is served first;
It does not use any CPU at all. Really, it's so clear... meh. It's only ****ty threads scheduling that screwing every part of game.
Quote: -Support for standard HTML3 or 4 and CSS. It currently support some and is bad for many others.
Better support strict XHTML 1.0/CSS 2.x. Much easier to validate pages out of game, much less abiguity, much easier to parse and debug.
Quote: No, we don't need flash/javascript support or anything that could be abused, just the proper formating that is currently really bad (with table support etc..)
If only it would properly support CSS 2.1, even tables woudn't be needed for many cases.
Quote: The IGB has been designed to be used with out-of-game content.
The IGB was never been designed to be used with OOG content, only specifically designed pages.
Quote: There is support for in-game information like you corp, location etc.. Code to display maps and in-game items (if I'm not mistaken).
You are not.
Quote: Correcting what should be working now would be amazing. And adding the CPU slider, awesome
There's no such things... it's ... stackless... best explanation I can provide - "it all running in one thread". -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Shas'ol
Gallente Danish Capital Construction Inc. Frontier Trading and Co Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 21:05:00 -
[322]
/signed
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DaHuntha
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Posted - 2009.04.03 15:42:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Ix Forres
^
And if too much of a hassle, get Mozilla on the bandwagon!
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Skjall
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:56:00 -
[324]
Let's go to the Quafe bar to wait for a Site for some hours :p
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Aggememnon
Insurrection Inc Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.08 08:28:00 -
[325]
/signed
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E Patch
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.04.08 16:11:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.04.08 23:04:00 -
[327]
/signed
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Soia Malani
Gallente Pro Players Inc. EvE Consortium
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Posted - 2009.04.09 02:34:00 -
[328]
/sign
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Arokan Manturi
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 02:39:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Lake
Caldari Cause of Crisis Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2009.04.09 04:16:00 -
[330]
The IGB is full of idiosyncrasies that make developing for it non-trivial. But I've spent years getting used to them and working around them...
...only to find, as I start another IGB project, that it now takes several (3-5) seconds to render a completely trivial page.
For my new project this may be acceptable, if painful. But it would have made years of using the IGB for corp and alliance management tools utterly impractical.
If we can't get WebKit, can we atleast get it performing as well as it did? -- eve-mail.net (thread) Instant Messaging and E-mail for EVE players |
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Kaiidyn
Caldari Nexopia Imperial Defense Coalition
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Posted - 2009.04.09 08:57:00 -
[331]
Originally by: Ix Forres
--
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Kateryne
Minmatar Nisaba Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.09 09:32:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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CottageCheese Discharge
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Posted - 2009.04.09 14:02:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Ix Forres
etc
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bomber80133
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Posted - 2009.04.10 03:55:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 15:23:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Ix Forres
-sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
QFT! |
Cemial
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:18:00 -
[336]
+1
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TigerXtrm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.04.11 10:27:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Lofful
Minmatar BrightStar Technologies Integrity Respect Selflessness
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Posted - 2009.04.11 12:49:00 -
[338]
Freaking signed! Honestly, with all of the different rendering APIs used by tons of different browsers. Many of them are open source, seriously they could just use one of them. Like the Chrome engine, it is the fastest and the most powerful. It doesn't even use up much space or CPU. So it could easily, be used in EVE and not slow down a computer.
Signed! "Mess with the best and die like the rest!" ~HighCommander540(Me) |
Avikar
Caldari The Praxis Initiative
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Posted - 2009.04.11 22:42:00 -
[339]
Edited by: Avikar on 11/04/2009 22:42:12 /signed.
I have spent a lot of time developing for the IGB, and even the simplest form of complexity breaks it unmercifully. Let's get something good going. The IGB is a tool now, not just a toy or unused accessory.
-- Avikar |
WheatGrass
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.13 07:08:00 -
[340]
Opera v10 loads eve-survival.org blazingly fast. The in-game browser loads it... ... ... ... S . l . . o . . .w. Please make the in-game browser suck less. Thank you. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain |
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Chizzel3000
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Posted - 2009.04.13 11:21:00 -
[341]
needs to be be faster. and clearer
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Firncirithion
Dragonis Logistics
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Posted - 2009.04.13 11:47:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Pereguine
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:46:00 -
[343]
/signed
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:51:00 -
[344]
No the whole igb is a waste of resources, it should be scratched from eve all together. Real browsers will always beat the igb. - - -
Originally by: CCP Prism X I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.
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Wax Deteis
Caldari Quasar Navy Quasar Generation
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Posted - 2009.04.18 06:50:00 -
[345]
I sign here, as I'd want a more efficient ingame browser.
Wax
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Cpt Underpants
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.04.19 08:51:00 -
[346]
In these days in which there are numerous open source/free HTML rendering engines available, it is unacceptable that we have to put up with an ingame browser so crippled.
Two options:
1. Integrate a new rendering engine into the game such as Gecko, WebKit or MSHTML (embedded IE)
2. Create a plug-in for the major browsers which will give the same "trusted site" functionality while you are logged into eve.
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Zeonelle
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Posted - 2009.04.19 19:31:00 -
[347]
Bump
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Cdr Maverick
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:25:00 -
[348]
/sign
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DolAmroth
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Posted - 2009.04.22 23:46:00 -
[349]
/sign the IGB is very annoying as it is and it could be so much better.
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Varu Fey
x13
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Posted - 2009.04.23 16:32:00 -
[350]
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Melkavia Sadria
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Posted - 2009.04.23 18:18:00 -
[351]
/signed
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:11:00 -
[352]
Originally by: DrAtomic No the whole igb is a waste of resources, it should be scratched from eve all together. Real browsers will always beat the igb.
It looks like you don't know what's IGB is for... -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Crash9789
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Posted - 2009.04.25 05:16:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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NIGHT BLADE9
Gallente MICROSOFT MANUFACTURING CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.04.25 12:52:00 -
[354]
yes we need a butter IGB o plz o plz IGB IGB IGB IGB
May the eve be with u be with u all Fly well & stay safe. |
notnow
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Posted - 2009.04.25 15:05:00 -
[355]
/signed
-- I'll fill this in later. |
Lynoa Exocet
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Posted - 2009.04.27 11:33:00 -
[356]
/signed
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GonZoPT
JointMasters Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.27 11:46:00 -
[357]
/signed
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atnonis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.27 12:36:00 -
[358]
/signed
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Ajaxan
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Posted - 2009.04.28 00:44:00 -
[359]
No, only simplistic enhancements should be made. Implementing other browsers or additional browser features only opens players up to the types of vulnerabilities that are typical of web applications. You don't want your ISK CSRF'd from you do you?
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LyCannon d'Alore
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Posted - 2009.04.28 02:06:00 -
[360]
Signed! Develop a better browser!!! LyC |
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Sandy fr
Caldari PREMiUM Inc Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:21:00 -
[361]
/signed
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Ichiban Yari
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Posted - 2009.05.01 10:44:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Lofful Honestly, with all of the different rendering APIs used by tons of different browsers. Many of them are open source, seriously they could just use one of them.
Well Firefox (Geko) already provides an interface compatible with IE. You only need to switch the classID when creating the OLE Object for the activeX. Everything works 100% identical...
so if the want... they even can make the user choose of they want to use IE or Firefox as a browser engine, with just a few lines of code.
and as the linux/mac os clients are using wine to run the COM/OLE interface can be used without to much trouble.
To completely setup a Firefox or internet explorer control it takes about 2 pages of code in C/C++. And most of the rendering engine of EVE is C/C++ anyway.
To handle stuff like showitem: ...its just a task of parsing all URLs that are called in the BeforeNavigate2 event which is called via IDispatch. For links that cause an action... ok set navigationCanceld = true, and perform your own action insted.... for images ... well render them, and redirect to the cache file.
all in all, if they'd use the OLE Objects provided by IE and FireFox... it would be less than 5 pages of code.
So I cannot accept any excuses such as "It would take us to much time" or "We've more pressing tasks", becuase there are definitily not much more pressing tasks then to get that f**** IGB to work. And if you want to tell me... doing new content is a much more pressing task than fix old **** broken for years... then you cannot be helped, because you do not want to be helped.
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Erin Lay
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Posted - 2009.05.01 22:25:00 -
[363]
/signed
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Raul Lustrom
Free Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.03 12:54:00 -
[364]
+1 signed
I could live with it the way it is if it wasn't so slow. I'm already familiar with the limitations nad have coded sites that work well with it, except for the annoying 3-4 second wait on each page before it starts loading.
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ED Dean
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Posted - 2009.05.03 22:16:00 -
[365]
i always opt to use the out game browser since the igb is very slow.
/signed
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ozbearian
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Posted - 2009.05.04 03:17:00 -
[366]
+1 Signed
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Agett
Hunerian Science Institute Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.05.04 07:34:00 -
[367]
I usually minimize+search. As the time wasted doing it are much better than the minute and a half to load a very simple page. If sites aren't designed to work on the EVE browser they simply don't work. Sites designed to work best on the EVE browser are slow at best. This should be fixed.
/signed
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Racham'Rik Noachran
Caldari IMPERIAL EAGLE United Imperial Forces
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:51:00 -
[368]
signed
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Kaylan Jahlar
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Posted - 2009.05.05 02:39:00 -
[369]
/sign
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woddel
Gallente Canis Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2009.05.05 08:59:00 -
[370]
it's not only about makeing it better. its rather about making it work at all...
even the news on the login screen takes ages to load (i assume the same engine) and i'm usually long gone (logged in with char) when they would finally pop up. ccp bites itself with that...
pleeeease fix what used to work in trinity...
woddel --- creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
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4chan btard
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Posted - 2009.05.05 10:08:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Ichiban Yari
Originally by: Lofful Honestly, with all of the different rendering APIs used by tons of different browsers. Many of them are open source, seriously they could just use one of them.
Well Firefox (Geko) already provides an interface compatible with IE. You only need to switch the classID when creating the OLE Object for the activeX. Everything works 100% identical...
so if the want... they even can make the user choose of they want to use IE or Firefox as a browser engine, with just a few lines of code.
and as the linux/mac os clients are using wine to run the COM/OLE interface can be used without to much trouble.
To completely setup a Firefox or internet explorer control it takes about 2 pages of code in C/C++. And most of the rendering engine of EVE is C/C++ anyway.
To handle stuff like showitem: ...its just a task of parsing all URLs that are called in the BeforeNavigate2 event which is called via IDispatch. For links that cause an action... ok set navigationCanceld = true, and perform your own action insted.... for images ... well render them, and redirect to the cache file.
all in all, if they'd use the OLE Objects provided by IE and FireFox... it would be less than 5 pages of code.
So I cannot accept any excuses such as "It would take us to much time" or "We've more pressing tasks", becuase there are definitily not much more pressing tasks then to get that f**** IGB to work. And if you want to tell me... doing new content is a much more pressing task than fix old **** broken for years... then you cannot be helped, because you do not want to be helped.
This.
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Netzvamp
Jelly Baby Corporation Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.05 17:01:00 -
[372]
/signed
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Hat Grim
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Posted - 2009.05.06 03:03:00 -
[373]
/signed (the xfire in-game browser won't work with EvE, no future at that front)
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R'yleh Kmg
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Posted - 2009.05.07 05:49:00 -
[374]
Gecko isn't that fast in the first place. Also, I haven't looked into it too much, but I am pretty positive that all requests to the IGB are being proxied trough CCP servers, and that is why it is slow, not the actual rendering. If rendering that tiny garbage browser is using all the processor cycles then they have a bigger problem, but I don't think it is. If they embedded gecko, they would likely still have it go through their proxies ( that is likely absolutely necessary, so they can ensure people can't go to child ****ography sites and stuff in their in-game browser, so they can block whatever they want basically ), and because you might actually be getting all the css, and the images, and the JS ( maybe not ), and the flash ( maybe not ), ALL that going through the proxy is probably going to be way slower than the IGB is now.
I think that a cool gecko implementation would work like this: Everything is still going through the proxy. All CSS is stripped out, and a an EVE CSS file is always forced to match the style of the EVE client UI. Also, HTML rendering should be disabled entirely, and XML rendering forced, meaning if your site is not valid XML, the browser just shows an error and your page is not at all displayed. This in not just to be draconian, but it makes gecko impact performance much less. But yeah, most websites would not work, as very few are valid XML, and even fewer are actually served as XML ( even the ones that say they are XHTML like A List Apart etc. are not served as XHTML and are therefore rendered as regular HTML with a bunch of forward slashes in the middle of the break tags that the interpreter doesn't understand, like 99% of "XHTML" sites on the internet ). It could also support a basic subset of JS, and would need stringent checks for anything that could be dangerous.
Also, if gecko were embedded, it would not have to be used for the News, and item descriptions, etc., it could just be used for the IGB and the original parser retained for everything else. This would seem optimal to me, as firing up a new Gecko instance to just render the one paragraph for a user bio or something would be ridiculous.
Another possible issue with this is that LLMozLib kinda sucks. It's a little iffy. The mozilla sponsored embedding API requires being embedded into a GUI like win32 or GTK or whatever osx uses. While this can be worked around, it would be dead weight. Rendering directly to an OpenGL surface is definitely the way to go. So, either use LLMozLib ( or its sister project Mozlib ) or roll your own ( which would kinda suck, and I doubt you could do better than LLMozLib ), and both options kinda suck.
Anyway, it all depends on how you implement it. I'm not a big fan of gecko in the first place ( presto FTW ), but it is certainly better than webkit. I will more than likely still alt+tab out to opera though, as there are very few IGB-specific features, making it almost pointless. It COOOUUULD be integrated even more into the game I suppose, to make it even more useful, but there's only so much you can do. At best it will be KINDA useful. If they can do a REALLY great job on it ( which will require some true innovation to make viable ), then it will be worth it, otherwise, drop it entirely.
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Dragonaire
Caldari Corax. Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.05.07 06:34:00 -
[375]
Quote: Also, I haven't looked into it too much, but I am pretty positive that all requests to the IGB are being proxied trough CCP servers, and that is why it is slow, not the actual rendering.
Wrong, they don't proxy IGB so you can go to all the types of site you talked about if they made them compatible with it.
Quote: If rendering that tiny garbage browser is using all the processor cycles then they have a bigger problem, but I don't think it is.
That's kind of the point of this thread it is doing that and that's why it needs fixed badly.
-- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
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Vivien Meally
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Posted - 2009.05.07 11:54:00 -
[376]
/sign
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Elric Redeye
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Posted - 2009.05.08 22:29:00 -
[377]
/Signed
Darn thing is nearly useless today. Would be great to have smoother in-game browser.
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Brusanan
Ixion Defence Systems Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.09 00:47:00 -
[378]
signed
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Meadowlark
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Posted - 2009.05.09 16:49:00 -
[379]
Yes, if it's part of an overall effort to improve the UI. Your UI needs serious help; the browser is just part of it.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.05.17 11:11:00 -
[380]
/signed
at least improve the performance even if you don't improve the rendering
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Morpheus Mishima
NorCorp Technologies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:35:00 -
[381]
/signed
Get a decent HTML / XHTML standards compliant browser or layout engine like ie. Gecko
And while you're at it, PLEASE replace the built-in Eve-mail "client" :-)
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DERT2
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:34:00 -
[382]
/signed
Note for Chucker :
Your web page is not work correctly. i didnt see anything about items and it's blueprints.
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fixmer
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Posted - 2009.05.19 12:28:00 -
[383]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Cosmic Reaper
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Posted - 2009.05.19 16:39:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Ix Forres
SIGNED!!!
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:49:00 -
[385]
/sign ---- Ceterum censeo blasters need some tracking love |
Ansirem Plato
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.05.20 07:43:00 -
[386]
SIGNED
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Tetractys
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:59:00 -
[387]
/signed
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Technomagez
Gallente teeny tiny space pirates
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Posted - 2009.05.22 00:43:00 -
[388]
It'd be great if they finally improved it to a level, where you wouldn't have to switch out of game to view videos or html.
Right now the only things that are displayed correctly are .asp pages and pictures.
If the ingame browser would one day reach a level where you could conveniently watch videos, that'd be great.
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Kateryne
Minmatar Nisaba Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:30:00 -
[389]
/signed.
Think about it CCP - with all of the OOG applications people are making, if you tweaked the IGB to run as smoothly as a proper Internet Browser, you'd be helping your playerbase to NEVER tab out :D Then when you eventually get so good that you don't need a daily downtime, you'll have a playerbase that is on 24/7...
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Filofox
Amarr 28 Disciples and a Kangaroo
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:08:00 -
[390]
/signed
If not better at least faster.
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Anity
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:58:00 -
[391]
/signed
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LifeHatesMe
Royal Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.05.23 18:23:00 -
[392]
/signed
New IGB! rawr! D:
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Nisd
Amarr EvE Research Defence and Mining Corp Eve Service Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 08:41:00 -
[393]
/signed
We should mabye move this to the Assembly Hall
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QuantumBlade
Aeon Of Strife Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.24 11:34:00 -
[394]
/signed
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AmyLeigh
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.24 16:19:00 -
[395]
Signed. They say we should love who we trust, but what is love without lust? |
Wahreez McDermot
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Posted - 2009.05.25 02:32:00 -
[396]
Signed!
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Fermi0n
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Posted - 2009.05.25 03:35:00 -
[397]
-Signed
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Mystus
Locked and Loaded
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Posted - 2009.05.25 04:54:00 -
[398]
/signed --- [SERVICE] ●◦● BPO Research Service, BPC Sales ●◦● |
Drayken Kortel
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:46:00 -
[399]
/signed... also my friend signs, but he's on dial-up and doesn't want to bother logging onto the site. =P
My simple EVE materials calculator is ridiculously slow on the ingame browser. :(
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Duke Nelson
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Posted - 2009.05.25 18:49:00 -
[400]
I concur with the proposal.
Also I'd like to see, and this may already be mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the following in-game tools updated:
- Calculator - with some form of interaction between it and the market, being able to pull prices across - NotePad - either update this or add a more indepth industrial sided simple spreadsheet tool |
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Risingson
Mezzanine Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.25 22:09:00 -
[401]
like constellation maps IGB should be able to show solarsystem pics liek this |
ChiMAchine
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Posted - 2009.05.26 09:32:00 -
[402]
/signed
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Deliz Seemack
Conics Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.26 23:39:00 -
[403]
Signed. -He conquers who endures. -Never underestimate game companies' greed. |
Sacu
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Posted - 2009.05.27 07:55:00 -
[404]
/signed
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Shaun Klaroh
Caldari The Report Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.27 10:00:00 -
[405]
Improve or Replace the IGB. It's practically useless now.
Other options: Automatically append the "Shellexec:" portion to any URL (Dangerous!) -----
Quote: "Are these people prisoners?" Arkhan asked.
"Not at all," Melak replied. "They're free to run and get shot any time they like."
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ViolatngUall
Caldari Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:14:00 -
[406]
YES IGB has sucked for a long time now.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:55:00 -
[407]
/Signed would love to see this working decently it certainly doesnt at the moment.
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corbin1
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Posted - 2009.05.27 19:19:00 -
[408]
/signed
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avengingllama
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Posted - 2009.05.27 19:20:00 -
[409]
/signed
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irzyxel1
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Posted - 2009.05.27 19:21:00 -
[410]
/signed
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Rashid Starfury
Gallente Universal-Corp Nexus-Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 01:21:00 -
[411]
/signed
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anders ilar
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Posted - 2009.05.29 01:51:00 -
[412]
/signed
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Lady Doreen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.29 06:08:00 -
[413]
NO
Using the ingame browser only means to increase the lag of the EVE client.
IMHO a separate browser offers more speed, reliability (also for the game) and features.
But I wouldn't want the internal to be removed, because for some things you still require it.
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Mithek
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.29 12:00:00 -
[414]
/Signing
The igb has great potential!
Take alliance/corporation forums as an example: I doubt any CEO of a bigger corp has ever found it easy to get there members to register (and actively read) external forums.
With the igb and it's current in-game features such as checking a pilots corp roles you could make a simple forum application which removed everything that has to do with registration and setting forum permissions - the forum would know, based on the information sent automatically by the client, which pilot is viewing this page and what right he has to read/post/edit. Just give your corp members the address "Hey guys, once you log in each day go take a look at www.example.com/forums/ ". No need for any fancy features but please make the igb work so we can develop all the fancy tools and stuff which will make the game so much more smooth =) |
Rameus Luxmaar
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.29 12:41:00 -
[415]
/sign _________________________________
Immortalis Inc. is recruiting pilots! |
Will Morrisson
Caldari Spiced Wine Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:36:00 -
[416]
/sign I prefer hydro-propellant ****tails... |
Eo Prime
Tempestas Oriens Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:56:00 -
[417]
/signed
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Aastarius
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:34:00 -
[418]
Personally I'd just like the IGB removed.
Why develop something that is never going to be as featured as a true browser and is simply adding to DB bloat, and lag?
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ChYph3r
Minmatar Multiplex Gaming
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Posted - 2009.06.02 21:43:00 -
[419]
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tatsudoshi I
Gallente House Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.03 10:55:00 -
[420]
Originally by: Darkeen No.
I never understood why you have a browser in a game when you can Alt-Tab (or Alt-Ctrl-D in Linux) to open the PC's web browser.
If your reading a browser then your not paying attention to the game and your Semi AFK. Deal with the consequences.
Remove the IGB entirely and allow the server to improve speed and performance issues by not having to handle browser requests.
I agree.. ..................................................
May we all have the courage to believe. Long live Mifune! |
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Mayobe
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:07:00 -
[421]
The IGB doesn't communicate with the EVE server at all. Also it is modular in nature and therefore does not cause lag or any other problems for the rest of the client.
jfc
Stop looking for reasons to say no to everything.
/signed (with a backflip and a judo chop for good measure)
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Dragonaire
Caldari Corax. Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.04 05:08:00 -
[422]
Mayobe You are both right and wrong You're right that they IGB isn't proxied through CCP but you are wrong that it doesn't cause lag because it does since the eve client is single thread meaning everything else in the client have to wait on it to finishing display the web page before the other code can run. And for those of you that have missed it the several times it has been explain in this thread alone, the IGB can't be removed without also remove most of the user interface as the same code is used for both i.e. the IGB is part of the UI for eve itself. -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
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Mayobe
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.06 12:33:00 -
[423]
-.-
How does that qualify as lag?
Furthermore, if the client is so utterly crippled as you describe then how is it that I can click a url and then browse the market and navigate my ship while I wait for the page to load?
%^#$
Why do I keep posting on these forums?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. |
Dragonaire
Caldari Corax. Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.06 17:33:00 -
[424]
CCP has been working on making the client more thread safe but much of it doesn't seem to be and I've had cases where the client does lock up until it finishes with a page so when others that have looked more closely at the code said its because of being mostly single thread I believe them until someone else proves them wrong -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
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Reznek
Caldari New Oracle Industrial
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Posted - 2009.06.11 03:21:00 -
[425]
IGB SUCKS !!! simple as that...
fix it! |
Silvian Queastia
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Posted - 2009.06.13 05:40:00 -
[426]
an ingame streaming tv station or ingame radio station guide
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Iyotaka
Iyotaka Union
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Posted - 2009.06.14 11:12:00 -
[427]
yes. give igb some love - or it's replacement.
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Trismegistos Imo
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.15 13:19:00 -
[428]
Originally by: Ix Forres Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
What he said :) |
Crowdad
Nisroc Angels Dark Cadre
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:46:00 -
[429]
please fix the IGB. HORRIBLE render times make debugging IGB projects impossible. Gettting pilots to use something that is **** doesn't work.
If I build a great fleet management tool that tells the commander where everyone is, who's AFK, what everyone's fielding in their ships; But NOBODY uses it because of how ANNOYING the slow rendering is, its very upsetting.
There are huge possibilities with the IGB, we could do so much stuff... We WANT to do these things and make EVE a much more pleasant game. But current state of the IGB doesn't let us do that.
Please fix it! Eve application developer. |
JAK480
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:32:00 -
[430]
signed |
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Lia Ferrara
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Posted - 2009.06.22 15:49:00 -
[431]
/signed
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Captain Zienna
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:00:00 -
[432]
/signed
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Le Ming
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Posted - 2009.06.22 19:31:00 -
[433]
/sign
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Celebrain
1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.23 03:19:00 -
[434]
Yes, lots of us want a better browser, want to build better value-added services that can be accessed from within the game, etc...
But hasn't CCP flat out said, no way, period, already, since the IGB wasn't designed for us to do this with, it was only designed for them and their news and a few other other game related windows? So isn't there already no way possible to ever change their minds for the rest of time, without us all actually canceling our accounts over it, and making them hurt in the pocketbook unless they fix it? None of us care enough about it to do that, so bah... why am I even bothering to write this, we'll all just keep complaining anyway... and another threadnaught grows... |
Filofox
Amarr 28 Disciples and a Kangaroo
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Posted - 2009.06.25 05:09:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Mayobe Also it is modular in nature and therefore does not cause lag or any other problems for the rest of the client.
It might be my 9800 GXT+ that's a bit outdated but whenever I open this 21 Salvager's Collection I get the lowest framerates. Add a bunch of stellar objects be it wrecks or whatever and see lag in action (client lag none the less).
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Mikkaras
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:17:00 -
[436]
YES! |
VheroKai
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.27 02:46:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Celebrain But hasn't CCP flat out said, no way, period, already, since the IGB wasn't designed for us to do this with, it was only designed for them and their news and a few other other game related windows?
I don't care about "other windows", but waiting a minute or two for news to pop up on character selection screen is a no joy.
Fix it FFS! --sig--
Originally by: Bunyip The LOLqual is a capital-sized joke
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AeonOfTime
Minmatar Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:57:00 -
[438]
It seems to me that by making the Evelopedia more or less ingame compatible, CCP have already committed in part to having to review the ingame browser in some areas for it to work as intended. I gave up on making my tools ingame compatible because it drastically reduces the time I can spend on functionality.
In my eyes, to make it really useful ingame there are but two essential things:
- Rendering speed - Slightly better HTML support (CSS a plus)
Even only with a good rendering speed a lot of tools out there would become interesting in an instant.
Of course no developer will ever truly be happy with it. Hell, we're still not happy with regular browsers, and see where they have come from... But I for one would love to be able to do more with the ingame browser, crappy as it may be.
It IS possible to make nice looking ingame content as I tried to prove with sytek.aeonoftime.com, but if you want to make something that people can use on a regular basis, it just has to be fast. It does not even matter if it looks good or not.
So YES, please make the ingame browser better - just a bit. We don't need a REAL browser!
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Survivor Aid
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:21:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Sandor Krejaa
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Posted - 2009.07.01 01:07:00 -
[440]
Why should CCP waste time and effort on an IGB when everyone can already get a far better IGB using a FREE tool such as XFire? (that works far, far better than the IGB ever has or will).
The IGB can be removed for all I care, the XFire browser gives me all the functionality I need, it works just like Mozilla or FireFox, heck it even plays YouTub video, and I can listen to Eve Radio with it using the Flash Player.
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Gentle Behn
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2009.07.01 17:18:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Ix Forres
Yup
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Kleverweis
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Posted - 2009.07.12 03:02:00 -
[442]
signed
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 19:57:00 -
[443]
I support this proposal.
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Saint VII
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.07.14 20:38:00 -
[444]
As we are amazed with the technical competence that CCP demonstates over the years, we cannot quite understand why such a brilliant team of developers did such a poor job creating a web browser. This is clearly in need of significant improvement.
For those who are saying the IGB cannot impact client performance, that is not true. When it is in the midst of rendering image-intensive pages (to the extent it is able to do that at all), even if I have it minimized, I lose framerates. It lags the entire client out.
However, this is more of a reason to fix it, not less. (The logic of some opponents on this thread totally escapes me..)
I am a noob. |
Toupe
Minmatar Assisted Homicide
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Posted - 2009.07.15 19:03:00 -
[445]
+1 signed
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.07.17 06:27:00 -
[446]
Just came back to the thread to re voice my support. --
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apostrophee
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Posted - 2009.07.18 10:41:00 -
[447]
It should be scrapped completely.
Either: a) CCP spends man hours on this, taking away loads of dev time form things that really matter; or b) CCP lets it continue to be a POS, and users continue to make use of it (as in IGB only aps/links)
Neither of those make me happy. I hate it when IGB is required. So just scrap it and let ppl alt tab (it's alot quicker than igb loading) or look at another monitor.
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Xero Shifter
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Posted - 2009.07.19 00:28:00 -
[448]
Yeah, ill sign.
Another problem is that most sites are not in just html any more, css and php are a huge part of websites. Along with javascript.
Without support for these, many of the sites dont work properly.
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Karaun Xavura
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:36:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Xero Shifter Yeah, ill sign.
Another problem is that most sites are not in just html any more, css and php are a huge part of websites. Along with javascript.
Without support for these, many of the sites dont work properly.
PHP is server-side.
Anyway...
/signed |
OrcephRyE
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:47:00 -
[450]
YAY! They should improve the in game browser! Or better yet introduce an normal brower in the game. Like FireFox with a few module changes and add-ons to force some security. ^_^
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TheOldBrutos
Minmatar Yarrbear Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:52:00 -
[451]
Edited by: TheOldBrutos on 20/07/2009 18:53:30 There is bigger problems than this one, it is a waste of time
Definitively NO
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Theocidic
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:44:00 -
[452]
There are a couple of unfinished ideas and systems that need to be changed/updated in EVE. More and more levels are thrown onto CCP's skysc****r but sometimes without reinforcing the structure. Therefore this is one feature that needs working, but in my opinion not the most crucial. I don't agree that they should do this first, but it needs to be done. Even though I love all the cool stuff that comes with new expansions, it would be nice if CCP put a few extra guys on fixing bugs and reworking game mechanics.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.07.27 15:06:00 -
[453]
The problem with improving the IGB is that it's so bad at the moment, everyone I know uses windowed mode Eve and another browser anyway. Given it's probably not going to be improved to the point that it's an 'actual' browser with all the features you will find in other browsers (javascript / flash etc, improving it may actually be counter productive as there may actually then be pressure to write pages that work in-game because you know, people might use it....
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Altierok
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Posted - 2009.07.27 21:19:00 -
[454]
I would love a faster IGB. Please, please make it faster!
Please and Thank you.
Altierok
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Windryder
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.28 07:59:00 -
[455]
I would love a better IGB.
BUT -
I don't want it to become a security hole that can be used to gank my box or my login data.
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Rawbin Hood
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Posted - 2009.07.28 16:35:00 -
[456]
would be nice but... but let CCP deal with real problems first on a list of 10,000,000,000 i would rate this 45,000, and i've seen it work great when the coder of the page knows what to do.
besides **** makes you go blind... jk
No
The Movement Because the human race can do better as a whole (Despite these Forums... they don't count) |
Presidential
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Posted - 2009.07.29 11:47:00 -
[457]
Didn't read the whole thread, but I would love to see this improved. Would make playing eve a lot more enjoyable for me anyway. On my dual monitor desktop it's no biggie, but I also play on my netbook, where it would be really helpful.
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:41:00 -
[458]
Yes....duh.
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Kempeth
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:08:00 -
[459]
Edited by: Kempeth on 05/08/2009 09:09:39 *signed in blood*
Developing any kind of site for the IGB is more frustrating than for IE. On top of that the IGB is ridiculously slow making it useless for anything other than primitive lists and even there you're probably better off printing the stuff out...
It's been in this pityful state for years now. Please - If you can't make the existing browser run adequately then take some third party engine like webkit or gecko... ---------------------------------------------- The glass is neither half full nor half empty. It's just twice as big as it need to be... |
HunterVolCh SPb
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:41:00 -
[460]
Yes, we need it
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.08.09 09:51:00 -
[461]
Most definitely needs to be done ASAP.
My vote is a very loud YES.
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Arcelios Lartont
Caldari Drama Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.08.10 00:56:00 -
[462]
Please, CCP? It would generate more web development aimed at the EVE IGB.
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omgdutch2005
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.08.10 22:03:00 -
[463]
bring it up front at fanfest!
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Jitabug
Caldari Viva POS Pinata
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Posted - 2009.08.13 18:41:00 -
[464]
MOAR POWAH TO TEH BROWZAR CAP'N!
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valorous warior
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.14 09:33:00 -
[465]
NO WE SHOULD ALL SUFFER THE CRA*Y IGB |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.14 14:16:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Shaun Klaroh Improve or Replace the IGB. It's practically useless now.
Other options: Automatically append the "Shellexec:" portion to any URL (Dangerous!)
I'm more interested in allowing the shellexec: protocol to work with https and ftp links. Right now it only works with http, as i'm aware.
Originally by: Aastarius Personally I'd just like the IGB removed.
Why develop something that is never going to be as featured as a true browser and is simply adding to DB bloat, and lag?
Originally by: Lady Doreen NO
Using the ingame browser only means to increase the lag of the EVE client.
IMHO a separate browser offers more speed, reliability (also for the game) and features.
But I wouldn't want the internal to be removed, because for some things you still require it.
How could external browser be aware of your ingame character status, location - all other stuff IGB sends to trusted sites? Don't be stupid, will you?
Originally by: Mayobe The IGB doesn't communicate with the EVE server at all. Also it is modular in nature and therefore does not cause lag or any other problems for the rest of the client.
You partly right, but that means you partly wrong at the same time. IGB, as any other window in EVE client, taking in threads of EVE client interface processing, it is by application design and this is not yet resolved. Nothing in interface rendering work asyncronously. This is most part that needs fix. I mean, how could adding simple layer (brackets) induce insane lags? It's so SIMPLE, it's ****in' single texture placed in front of scene... just unbelievable... -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.14 14:18:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Rawbin Hood would be nice but... but let CCP deal with real problems first on a list of 10,000,000,000 i would rate this 45,000, and i've seen it work great when the coder of the page knows what to do.
besides **** makes you go blind... jk
No
Real problem is threading model in EVE client. IGB in itself not that bad, even if slow. But when it's speed taking over client speed, whole client became unresponsible. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:40:00 -
[468]
Here are the plans and the discussion.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Rilwar
BlackStar Industrial
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Posted - 2009.08.15 23:53:00 -
[469]
Originally by: CCP Explorer Here are the plans and the discussion.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO \o/ -------------------------------------------------
Mitnal was here. |
Vorononv Circut
The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.16 06:27:00 -
[470]
Yes, CCP, you guys are awesome.
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Makhar
Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:17:00 -
[471]
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Herr Esiq
Amarr Cube Zombie Consortium
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Posted - 2009.08.23 09:57:00 -
[472]
Do want! /signed |
Vinev
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:24:00 -
[473]
/signed
sor 4 my english
Remove the local: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=727636 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=728877 |
Holy Cheater
Monks of War
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Posted - 2009.08.27 14:32:00 -
[474]
I'd be happy if it would be possible to open links in normal (OOG) browser just by clicking them.
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Graul
Amarr Lonely Maple Prospecting Group Lonely Maple Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:15:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Ix Forres
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Sinaroma
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Posted - 2009.09.05 00:46:00 -
[476]
umm yea
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Workin Gal
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Posted - 2009.09.17 01:53:00 -
[477]
This would help as long as it doesn't decrease client performance.
Originally by: Makhar
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.09.17 04:08:00 -
[478]
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 17/09/2009 04:13:15 I, like all internet users, prefer to use the browser of my choice.
Some choose IE, some choose FF, some torture themselves with Safari or Chrome.
They choose.
Seeing the IGB will always be crap, even with buying 3rd party tech... I'd prefer it was removed.
Instead greater flexibility would be gained by creating a shell extension "eve://" which would pipe things like showinfo: from any browser into the eve client for display.
Instead of making us use a bad IGB, let us choose our favourite browser and use that instead.
Originally by: Tonto Auri How could external browser be aware of your ingame character status, location - all other stuff IGB sends to trusted sites? Don't be stupid, will you?
Easy. oAuth.
Shared secret token based remote site auth that doesn't require your login credentials.
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Kyrinth
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Posted - 2009.09.18 17:56:00 -
[479]
I agree, a better ingame browser would be great... especially if it could render advanced stuff with ajax features.
There are so many possibilities if this was done that currently can only be achieved in a regular browser or win32 app.
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Dragonaire
Caldari Corax. New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.19 16:03:00 -
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For those of you that haven't caught up to the fact that they have already decided on what they are going to do at CCP you might want to look at this thread http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1180295 The whole should or shouldn't has already been decided and in general what is going to be included or not is also decided now they just want input and testers for what they are working on. -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
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TanHuynh
Gallente Mindstar Technology Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.10.06 06:24:00 -
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Understanding the effort needed to developed a Browser not to said ingame browser is huge. I would said topping up the ingame browser with the current technology (in real world) is not necessary - instead focus on developing COSMOS into something more than Spacebook.
Maybe after 3-4 years from the road, when the technology readily available more, we could retouch back with the ingame browser.
On the other hand, I will sign for the idea of adopting Google Chrome into IGB - rather developed on from scratch. I have no pod. |
Dragonaire
Caldari Corax. New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 17:38:00 -
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Points to this
What's going to happen is decided when is only question. -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
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Domonix
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:43:00 -
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/approved
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Inoxx
Amarr The Funkalistic Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.10.25 11:57:00 -
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*signed*
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.10.25 13:56:00 -
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This thread should be locked since the goal has been achieved even though those bumping it do not appear to know.
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pcnate
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Posted - 2010.01.13 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: pcnate on 13/01/2010 18:01:30 possible to get flash on the IGB?
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.21 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Catari Taga This thread should be locked since the goal has been achieved even though those bumping it do not appear to know.
It's terrible... it does not support scrollbar recoloring :(( -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Seeagle
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Posted - 2010.01.22 19:26:00 -
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signed
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SipulkaCaldari
Caldari Totenkopf in Space Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.01.28 03:39:00 -
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Arcanne
The Miner's Paradise Quasar Generation
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Posted - 2010.01.29 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
___________________________ TMIP : We Mine You ! |
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Raishkar
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Posted - 2010.02.24 10:47:00 -
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Hulu.com functionality please.
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