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sAyArrrr Minmatar Omyst Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.19 00:18:00 - [1]
sAyArrrr Minmatar Omyst Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.19 00:51:00 - [2] Bump because of initial empty post
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.19 01:19:00 - [3] Get a Pilgrim. Seriously, it's a better blaster ship than the Arazu. You lose 25% gun damage, but gain a huge drone damage increase to offset it, and you trade a useless damp bonus for a useful tracking disruptor bonus. All you really lose is the scramble range bonus, but since you aren't going to be engaging outside of unbonused scram range anyway, it's not much of a loss. (And yes, blaster Pilgrims suck, but they're better than blaster Arazus.)
sAyArrrr Minmatar Omyst Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.19 01:29:00 - [4] Yes i fully understand this. Would it be better to go with 200mm Rails II and try to keep the target between 13-16km, run ab with 2x trackingdisruptor? Im just trying to get the max out of this ship, because some people where saying arazu would be 'better' after the patch.
archangel sean Gallente Pelennor Swarm G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.19 01:53:00 - [5] Edited by: archangel sean on 19/11/2008 01:54:56 Dude use what are its bonus's. At 13-15 3x sensor damp 2's will lock anything from targetting you. And yes 200 rails:)
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2008.11.19 02:13:00 - [6] In Blaster range >>> Use ECM burst, scrambler and scan res damps. Get sensor damp rigs cause are cheap.
sAyArrrr Minmatar Omyst Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.19 03:57:00 - [7] Edited by: sAyArrrr on 19/11/2008 03:58:52 Edited by: sAyArrrr on 19/11/2008 03:57:05 Originally by: archangel sean Edited by: archangel sean on 19/11/2008 01:54:56 Dude use what are its bonus's. At 13-15 3x sensor damp 2's will lock anything from targetting you. And yes 200 rails:) I have almost maxed damp skills, but if you go with a db scram and try to damp em down to below 15km'ish.... not really working well when i tried it ingame. If i would go with damps on it, a normal disruptor setup is way better since you can keep them scrammed much further out. But, since a longrange scram doesnt switch off mwd, i should be fitting a mwd to control range, making cap and tank a big problem. And, this basicly limits your targets bc+bs, but you going to have a big problem with dps at that range, and non replacable drones... I know its really tricky, but i want try to max out the setup builded around a 18k scrambler... I tried a 200mm Rail II setup with light armor tank, but that makes it really unpossible to use damps at all since you wont be able to damp the lot of the ships down to less than 14kmish. So, with the initial setup i posted, i tried to combine the good stuff of a ab with blasters and trackingdisruptors, but yes your wasting a (arguable worthless damp) bonus in that case. Whatever you fit on the ship, your range of targets will be VERRY small.. ed. Just had a go with my setup, had to bail aka didnt worked out as i hoped it would ed.2 How about a ab/speed/shieltanked/trackingdisruptor setup?
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.19 04:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Get a Pilgrim. Seriously, it's a better blaster ship than the Arazu. You lose 25% gun damage, but gain a huge drone damage increase to offset it, and you trade a useless damp bonus for a useful tracking disruptor bonus. All you really lose is the scramble range bonus, but since you aren't going to be engaging outside of unbonused scram range anyway, it's not much of a loss. (And yes, blaster Pilgrims suck, but they're better than blaster Arazus.) Arazu wld be handy in a gang though, especially on post-qr gates (some gates larger with bigger ship spawn radius) for getting point. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.19 05:12:00 - [9] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Merin Ryskin Get a Pilgrim. Seriously, it's a better blaster ship than the Arazu. You lose 25% gun damage, but gain a huge drone damage increase to offset it, and you trade a useless damp bonus for a useful tracking disruptor bonus. All you really lose is the scramble range bonus, but since you aren't going to be engaging outside of unbonused scram range anyway, it's not much of a loss. (And yes, blaster Pilgrims suck, but they're better than blaster Arazus.) Arazu wld be handy in a gang though, especially on post-qr gates (some gates larger with bigger ship spawn radius) for getting point. Not this on though, cause that's a Scram fitted to that thing.
Sigras	Posted - 2008.11.19 06:01:00 - [10] why do ppl insist on using gang ships solo? i have an idea lets take a gardian out and solo pwnbbq stuffs . . . what? i cant? boy the guardian sux . . . heres an idea take the arazu out with a falcon and lol at stuff as it tries to target you . . . or with a rapier and lol at stuff as it approaches you
sAyArrrr Minmatar Omyst Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.19 06:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Sigras why do ppl insist on using gang ships solo? i have an idea lets take a gardian out and solo pwnbbq stuffs . . . what? i cant? boy the guardian sux . . . heres an idea take the arazu out with a falcon and lol at stuff as it tries to target you . . . or with a rapier and lol at stuff as it approaches you I do realize solo is kinda dead, but im sure that if i look carefull for certain targets (like alot of missionrunners etc) it can work properly. Im just having a hard time finding a decent setup that makes use of the scrambler fitted.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.19 06:35:00 - [12] Stick with the sensor damps and use the ship bonus. 2x or 3x sensor damps with scan resolution + ECM drones ruins someone's day.
Sigras	Posted - 2008.11.19 06:52:00 - [13] then go for short range blaster with ecm burst ecm drones and 2x scan res damp scripted dampeners
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.19 06:55:00 - [14] I'd probably go with something like this: [Arazu, 1111] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2
acs shadow and flame Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.19 07:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Merin Ryskin I'd probably go with something like this: [Arazu, 1111] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 That is pretty ******ed.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.11.19 07:33:00 - [16] Originally by: acs That is pretty ******ed. I'm not the one who came up with the requirements of: 1) Must use 7.5km scram and shut off MWD. This means no damps, as you can't damp the target's lock range enough to keep you safe at 18km. 2) Must be useful solo. This means damage mods + shield tank, as you need your low slots for dps to break a target before its friends show up, and you need at least some tank to avoid being insta-popped. Given those requirements, the setup I posted is probably the best you're going to get. ----------- Blaster sig removed for now, pending those "changes we've been working on all day". CCP, don't screw this up.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.19 07:42:00 - [17] Originally by: archangel sean Edited by: archangel sean on 19/11/2008 01:54:56 Dude use what are its bonus's. At 13-15 3x sensor damp 2's will lock anything from targetting you. It wont stop another recon or a sensor boosted battleship / battlecruiser; not at that range. 25-30km is safer. But then you can't use the warp scrambler...
flashsplat Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Merin Ryskin 1)Must use 7.5km scram and shut off MWD. This means no damps, as you can't damp the target's lock range enough to keep you safe at 18km. Originally by: Ralara It wont stop another recon or a sensor boosted battleship / battlecruiser; not at that range. 25-30km is safer. But then you can't use the warp scrambler... Actually, last i checked (and it was recently), 3 Damps + Rigs takes 250km to 12.5km, and if you go the other route, it'd take a falcon 60+ seconds to lock you... I'm pretty sure he'd be dead by then. He would be if i was the arazu :) Blasterazu ftw ;)
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:42:00 - [19] Quote: Actually, last i checked (and it was recently), 3 Damps + Rigs takes 250km to 12.5km, wtf no it doesn't. Wasn't even that good before the damp nerf. -------------------------- NOTR How to Fail at Eve
flashsplat Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Rajere Quote: Actually, last i checked (and it was recently), 3 Damps + Rigs takes 250km to 12.5km, wtf no it doesn't. Wasn't even that good before the damp nerf. Um. Yes it does and yes it was :)
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:58:00 - [21] care to place an isk wager on that sir? eleventy billion isk says you're wrong. -------------------------- NOTR How to Fail at Eve
flashsplat Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.11.25 15:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Rajere care to place an isk wager on that sir? eleventy billion isk says you're wrong. Sure. Get a friend in an arazu with 3 damps and 2 damp rigs. Fit yourself with however many boosters you need to reach 250km and then send me my money k? Thanks :)
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2008.11.25 15:05:00 - [23] Originally by: archangel sean Edited by: archangel sean on 19/11/2008 01:54:56 Dude use what are its bonus's. At 13-15 3x sensor damp 2's will lock anything from targetting you. And yes 200 rails:) yah if its a cruiser or smaller. BC/BS won't go that low and if they have a sensor booster then you're not doing anything at all. If you're doing damps you need a 24+km point and get out to 50ish km to have any reliable hope.
o0TuNa0o Idle Miners	Posted - 2008.11.25 16:32:00 - [24] Edited by: o0TuNa0o on 25/11/2008 16:33:35 Originally by: Rajere Quote: Actually, last i checked (and it was recently), 3 Damps + Rigs takes 250km to 12.5km, wtf no it doesn't. Wasn't even that good before the damp nerf. With all skils at 4, 3 damps and 2 rigs, you'll have a hard time getting a ship down to 12km. If it's got an SB, then you've no chance. To get a ship to target up to 250km, you'd need a few SB's. An arazu against that ship would be pointless. As for the Falcon vs Arazu, it's a non match. Arazu's don't have SB's, where Falcon's\Rooks always do (to get the first lock\jam). So you'd be perma jammed before you can say 'Jahova' TuNa Edit - spelt 'chance' wrong
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2008.11.25 18:43:00 - [25] Originally by: flashsplat Originally by: Rajere care to place an isk wager on that sir? eleventy billion isk says you're wrong. Sure. Get a friend in an arazu with 3 damps and 2 damp rigs. Fit yourself with however many boosters you need to reach 250km and then send me my money k? Thanks :) Don't be surprised to discover your corp tax has been raised to 100% to pay me the eleventy billion isk you owe me for losing this bet, btw. -------------------------- NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.11.25 18:59:00 - [26] Rajeres' right. Only way to get a 250Km ship down to 12Km is with a max skilled triple damp arazu + T2 rigs + max skilled mindlinked Claymore with the electronic superiority gang link might just do it. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Max Hardcase Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.25 21:16:00 - [27] Good luck getting a lock in time on anything < BC. SB2 + scan res rig wont cut it.
flashsplat Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.11.25 21:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Rajere Don't be surprised to discover your corp tax has been raised to 100% to pay me the eleventy billion isk you owe me for losing this bet, btw. Actually your right. I was looking at the #'s on the mods pre nerf. HOWEVER! It did prenerf. No need to raise corp tax. Your money's in the mail.
Irish Whiskey Caldari Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.11.25 22:59:00 - [29] A couple QR facts: 2x Phased Muon with skills at level 4 and 2x damp rigs knock nearly every ship with a sensor booster II (lock range script) to below 35km without breaking a sweat. Most cruisers down to 25km. Ignore tank. If youre tanking, you screwed up. This is an extremely delicate ship, if you get targeted you screwed up and no tank can save you from that. Those slots are better used for making the ship work the way it's designed to. Forget scrams. And recon rule #1: Dont engage if you cant win! Warping cloaked is our most powerful weapon.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.11.25 23:20:00 - [30] Edited by: Misanth on 25/11/2008 23:22:29 Meh, reading comprehension. Too tired, missed one reply. Either way; Scrambler or Disruptor-Arazu's have very different fittings atm. I can't decide myself which one I prefer most, so currently I'm running one of each.

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