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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:50:00 -
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I know rails have been changed alot but I was just hunting with some budies an we where trying to kill some little rats that where swarming a gang member. We where 30-50 KM away with 425's and 350's. I was in a megathron with no tracking mods. motion predection and sharp shooter to level 3. Yet I still had 98 consecutive no dmg hits. The log below has only been edited to remove reloads and other, non related errors.
I Know the guns are under review. And I know the big guns shouldn't be able to hit the little guys most of the time. but 98 times? Thats a bit much without even 1 dmg point.
Am I missing something?
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[ 2004.07.09 05:12:29 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:31 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Chief Sentinel. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:35 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:39 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:40 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:41 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:44 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:44 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:45 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:47 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:49 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:50 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:51 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:53 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:55 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:56 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:57 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:58 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:01 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:03 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:06 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:08 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:09 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:10 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:12 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:14 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:15 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:17 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:28 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:29 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:35 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:35 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:41 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:43 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:45 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:47 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:49 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:50 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:52 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:52 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:56 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:58 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:14:02 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:14:05 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:50:00 -
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I know rails have been changed alot but I was just hunting with some budies an we where trying to kill some little rats that where swarming a gang member. We where 30-50 KM away with 425's and 350's. I was in a megathron with no tracking mods. motion predection and sharp shooter to level 3. Yet I still had 98 consecutive no dmg hits. The log below has only been edited to remove reloads and other, non related errors.
I Know the guns are under review. And I know the big guns shouldn't be able to hit the little guys most of the time. but 98 times? Thats a bit much without even 1 dmg point.
Am I missing something?
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[ 2004.07.09 05:12:29 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:31 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Chief Sentinel. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:35 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:39 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:40 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:41 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:44 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:44 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:45 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:47 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:49 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:50 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:51 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:53 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:55 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:56 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:57 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:12:58 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:01 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:03 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:06 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:08 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:09 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:10 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:12 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:14 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:15 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:17 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:28 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:29 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:35 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:35 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:41 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:43 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:45 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:47 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:49 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I glances off Serpentis Drug Carrier, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:50 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:52 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:52 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:56 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:13:58 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun I barely misses Serpentis Drug Carrier. [ 2004.07.09 05:14:02 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely. [ 2004.07.09 05:14:05 ] (combat) Your 350mm Railgun I misses Serpentis Drug Carrier completely.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:08:00 -
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I think its obvious that you wont ever hit small ships with the bigger guns. I think it has been mentioned over andover also and that was the intent from the getgo.
You did never say what you were shooting.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:08:00 -
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I think its obvious that you wont ever hit small ships with the bigger guns. I think it has been mentioned over andover also and that was the intent from the getgo.
You did never say what you were shooting.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:09:00 -
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... Redundant?
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:09:00 -
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... Redundant?
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:15:00 -
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I guess I missed something at some point. I thought they changed the large rails so you just couldn't warp into a system and kill all the rats in one shot. I didn't know it was compleatly nurfed. 1 in a 100 odds are just longer than what I was expecting.
sorry if I missed another flame thread over this issue.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:15:00 -
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I guess I missed something at some point. I thought they changed the large rails so you just couldn't warp into a system and kill all the rats in one shot. I didn't know it was compleatly nurfed. 1 in a 100 odds are just longer than what I was expecting.
sorry if I missed another flame thread over this issue.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:45:00 -
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Try using webs/drones/smartbombs.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.07.09 08:45:00 -
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Try using webs/drones/smartbombs.
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Quantum Ghost
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Quantum Ghost on 09/07/2004 12:26:35 The 'nerf' is not a simple 1 in 100 chance CmdrRat.
In simple turms it works like this.
ship size of 10 shot at with a gun of size 1 = hit
Ship size of 5 shot at with a gun of size 1 = hit
ship size of 1 shot at with a gun of size 5 = 50% chance of hit
ship size of 1 shot at with a gun of size 10 = 0.1% chance of hit
So it's a curve, if you shoot a battleship with a small turret you will always hit (high tracking vs slow ship). Inversly if you shoot a frigate with a large turret you will always miss (Low tracking vs fast ship).
You have to remember that the tracking speed of a turret comes into the equasion correctly now. If your using a 425mm Rail you have a tracking of 0.00520833 radi per second (this means that your turret takes 720 seconds to rotate a full 360 degrees [i rounded this down]).
How if you take these (likly wrong numbers) an look at it like this.
100% of turret rotation = 720 seconds 50% of turret rotation = 370 seconds 25% of turret rotation = 185 seconds
So, if your target can traverse the quater of the ship that is covered by your turrets faster than 185 seconds....you WILL miss, it's simple physics you can't move the gun as fast or faster than the target !!
I hope this clears it up for you. The numbers are probably wrong but I am very sure of the point they make.
-QG
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Quantum Ghost
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Quantum Ghost on 09/07/2004 12:26:35 The 'nerf' is not a simple 1 in 100 chance CmdrRat.
In simple turms it works like this.
ship size of 10 shot at with a gun of size 1 = hit
Ship size of 5 shot at with a gun of size 1 = hit
ship size of 1 shot at with a gun of size 5 = 50% chance of hit
ship size of 1 shot at with a gun of size 10 = 0.1% chance of hit
So it's a curve, if you shoot a battleship with a small turret you will always hit (high tracking vs slow ship). Inversly if you shoot a frigate with a large turret you will always miss (Low tracking vs fast ship).
You have to remember that the tracking speed of a turret comes into the equasion correctly now. If your using a 425mm Rail you have a tracking of 0.00520833 radi per second (this means that your turret takes 720 seconds to rotate a full 360 degrees [i rounded this down]).
How if you take these (likly wrong numbers) an look at it like this.
100% of turret rotation = 720 seconds 50% of turret rotation = 370 seconds 25% of turret rotation = 185 seconds
So, if your target can traverse the quater of the ship that is covered by your turrets faster than 185 seconds....you WILL miss, it's simple physics you can't move the gun as fast or faster than the target !!
I hope this clears it up for you. The numbers are probably wrong but I am very sure of the point they make.
-QG
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Slippy Pete
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Slippy Pete on 09/07/2004 12:31:41 try it at 60 km: (scavengers are frigates)
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Slippy Pete
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Slippy Pete on 09/07/2004 12:31:41 try it at 60 km: (scavengers are frigates)
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:00:00 -
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Arbenowske: I do most of the time. Like I said I was 30-50KM from the frigates who where swarming a corp mate. Out of webs/drones/smartbombrange
Quantum Ghost: Thank you very much, I hadn't seen it worked out this way. And it makes a lot of sense now.
Slippy Pete: I just assumed 30-50KM would be good enuf, but I see you found a "sweet spot" I missed. Thank you
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 19:00:00 -
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Arbenowske: I do most of the time. Like I said I was 30-50KM from the frigates who where swarming a corp mate. Out of webs/drones/smartbombrange
Quantum Ghost: Thank you very much, I hadn't seen it worked out this way. And it makes a lot of sense now.
Slippy Pete: I just assumed 30-50KM would be good enuf, but I see you found a "sweet spot" I missed. Thank you
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