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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.19 20:18:00 -
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1: How would you fit your (blockade runner) ship?
I mean obviously... all "secretive fits" aside its obvious your going to slap a covert ops cloak on it. But what would you fit for? More cargo? Or warp stab's?
2: And what of the bigger brother to the smaller blockade runner? Like a Mastodon... how would you fit that?
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.19 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis 2: And what of the bigger brother to the smaller blockade runner? Like a Mastodon... how would you fit that?
[Impel, Max Cargo] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Improved Cloaking Device II
Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I
Cargohold: 36,219 m3
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.19 21:55:00 -
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I had no idea that an impel had that many low slots.
Dayum.
I pilot a Mastodon here....
Anyone here willing to give any tips for the "Blockade Runner" type ship as opposed to the larger brother?
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Vall Kor
Minmatar Interstellar Missions Support Group
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Posted - 2008.11.19 22:04:00 -
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Cloaking and agility are your friend. :P
Really it depends on how much I'm moving, it's it not a large move I fit for as much speed and survivability as possible. If it's a larger move, well I back some defenses and hope for the best.
"Forbid a man to think for himself or to act for himself and you may add the joy of piracy and the zest of smuggling to his life." Elbert Hubbard
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.19 23:55:00 -
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Yeah.... I'm trying to find the perfect fit for a prowler.... but having trouble making adjustments for cargo hauling. |
PMolkenthin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.20 00:57:00 -
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My alts Viator is:
Covert Ops Cloak
10mn MWD - Cap Recharger II x2
Nanofibre II - Inertia Stabiliser II x2
Polycarbon x2
Even after the patch it still warps like a frigate, and now it can cloaky cloaky. :)
Occator is Improved cloak, cargo expander and expander rigs. 35,509m3 |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.20 02:24:00 -
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mastadon is worst of the heavy haulers, lowest cargo hold =s sorry still works ok though and I can get 29k with rigs and whatnot. I know it has that new +2 wcs bonus but I'd still be careful with it as it is a big cow on agility, barely above the other races. My fit is cloak in highs, mwd/ab in mids followed by shield extenders and if u have room an ecm burst lows expanders till u have enough room then inertial stabs.
prowler otoh is only cov op hauler with 2 highs, should come in handy if you need support for a recon gang or something. havn't flown it since patch so not sure on your setup |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.20 03:36:00 -
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Minmatar people seriously need loving.
I have 4 warp stabs on the Mastodon and plan to have pair of cargo optomizers and cargo hold expanders in the rest.
Agility is an issue... but if you can't STOP the ship... at least I'll be able to warp out.
In all cases... interdictor is the worst case scenario no matter what.
Now explain to me how the ECM burst works in this case... do i have to have a target to jam or do i just turn it on... |
Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2008.11.20 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: PMolkenthin My alts Viator is:
Covert Ops Cloak
10mn MWD - Cap Recharger II x2
Nanofibre II - Inertia Stabiliser II x2
Polycarbon x2
My Viator fit |
juduzz
Amarr Atomic Battle Penguins The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2008.11.20 06:43:00 -
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My alts crane fit
Cloak (who would have guessed?)
MWD, 2 anti em things, small booster
Istab PDU ( think this can be removed QR)
2 low friction nozzole joints
Warps hella fast nice littel boost they got with cloak.
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Nienna Fael
Sininen Talo
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Posted - 2008.11.20 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz My alts crane fit Cloak (who would have guessed?) MWD, 2 anti em things, small booster Istab PDU ( think this can be removed QR) 2 low friction nozzole joints Warps hella fast nice littel boost they got with cloak.
Don't think there we're any +GRID buffs to crane.
[Crane, hahcargoscanner] Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Inertia Stabilizers II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Surface Cargo Scanner I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
The mids are of course quite irrelevant what you stick in there apart from MWD.
A friend threw an idea that instead of fitting Agility rigs, fit Warp speed rigs to go around FAST (since you don't need agility _that_ much anymore because of covert ops cloak).
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.20 08:17:00 -
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Offtopic (kinda), but I once did share a route with a Viator and I was flying a frig (can't remember which, but a gallente one) and that frigging thing was doing the same warps/jumps as I did :D Rather hilarious debate in the local though. Stop whining. |
Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.11.20 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 20/11/2008 08:55:23
Originally by: Drake Draconis 1: How would you fit your (blockade runner) ship?
I mean obviously... all "secretive fits" aside its obvious your going to slap a covert ops cloak on it. But what would you fit for? More cargo? Or warp stab's?
2: And what of the bigger brother to the smaller blockade runner? Like a Mastodon... how would you fit that?
Well, I do quite a bit of flying around in lowsec with both Viator and Occator.
Viator: the must-haves are MWD and covops cloak. After that it comes down to taste, local pirate activity, and cargo needs. If you're worried about camps, fit a stab or two, and maybe a dcu to give a bit of a buffer. If not, fit cargo expanders and depend on cloak to save your from random small gatecamps.
There's really no one fit, at least for me. Viator rocks and is quite versatile for a cargo runner.
Oh, and remember that the blockade runners don't get the recloak delay bonus that recons and covops do. This means there is a 30 sec delay before you can cloak again after decloaking... which is potentially lethal. I suggest only using cloak when you need it, in a covops -- that way it will always work when you do need it. It's not like you need to move cloaked all the time anyway, at least not in lowsec.
Occator: this I use for a lowsec POS fuel runner, so I have specific cargo space needs and also go through territory that has gate camps on a regular basis. I think my current fit is:
high: impro cloak med: mwd, LSE II low: inertia stab, dcu II, 4 x expander II rigs: trimark + cargo rig
Gives a bit over 6k of both shield and armor with reasonable resists, and with the mwd + cloak trick you can evade most gate camps. If caught, you have a (small) prayer of making it back to gate with MWD, tanking the damage -- will melt to a proper camp, but may survive a small/incompetent one.
With the new +2 stab bonus, it now takes a HIC or an Arazu/Lachesis to catch you, in practice. Of course, pretty much all lowsec gate camps have a HIC...
It's a good ship, now, post-patch.
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar Black Horizon Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.20 09:14:00 -
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thats my Viato setup:
[Viator, New Setup 1] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
if u need cargo, just plug some extender on it and u still have a better agility then with poly rigs
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destinationZERO
Minmatar Pain Management Services
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Posted - 2008.11.20 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II
you did notice that you can use Covert Ops cloak now on the Viator? --
yes. That would be me, not you. |
Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.11.20 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/11/2008 09:53:27 My Prorator fit:
[Prorator] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
No rigs yet, works well though.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.20 11:43:00 -
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My Viator
1x Covops Cloak 1x 10MN MWD 2x Cap Recharger (couldn't think of anything else really) 3x Nanofiber Structure II (I carry 3x Expander II's in case I need them) 2x Cargohold Opti I's
Warps fast enough and hits 2500m/s with nanos on it. Plenty to get back to a gate if needed. With the expanders it does about 1400m/s i believe.
--McFly--
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Sigras
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Posted - 2008.11.20 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Now explain to me how the ECM burst works in this case... do i have to have a target to jam or do i just turn it on...
ECM Burst is a smartbomb ECM, it hits for more (2X) a racial jammer to all targets within 15 km (9 optimal 6 falloff with perfect skills) but it doesnt give the nice cant lock for 20 sec afterward debuff.
Also correct me if im wrong but doesnt it agro gate guns and stop you for jumping for one min if it hits something neutral? |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.20 17:06:00 -
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Hmm.... intersting fits folks... I'll need to keep these in mind.
Also... be aware the +2 warp stab bonus is no longer on the "Blockade Runner" ships... only there bigger brother the transport ship type.
Thats why I have +4 on the mastodon.... as I fitted 2 warp stabs.
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eyesoftheworld
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.20 17:11:00 -
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My alt's Crane post patch:
Highs: COCD II
Meds: 1x 10mn MWD II the rest CR II's
Lows: 2x inertia stab II
Rigs: 2x Polycarbons Horza's banned :( |
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Jefferson Dubois
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2008.11.21 15:29:00 -
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I enjoy
[Viator, Run Like Hell] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.11.21 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jefferson Dubois I enjoy
[Viator, Run Like Hell] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
I have same almost, except I use passive shield hardeners on 2 spare slots. If they catch you then that ECM or cap rechargers is not going to save you as your only hope is to reach the gate and jump. It's not like you need to run your MWD for more than max 20-30 km anyway.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.21 18:26:00 -
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Passive shield hardners for empire, ecm bursts for 0.0 |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:15:00 -
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Allright... but I don't see any Minmatar pilots here. ANYONE here fly them? And what do you fit on them? |
Saladin
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:46:00 -
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My alt owns 2 prowlers, one for blockade running and one for POS insertion
1- Blockade runner
Rigs: 2X Low Friction Nozzile Joints I Low Slots: 2X Inertia stabilizer II Mids: Y-T8 mwd, 2X Cap Recharger II Highs: Covert Ops Cloak II, Small Tractor Beam
2- POS Insertion
Rigs: 2X Cargohold Optimization I Lows: 2X Expanded cargohold II The rest are the same as (1). This should give you over 8,000m3 of room, enough for a large tower. It can also carry enough fuel for 36 hours of large tower operation. Works for POS extraction too.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.21 22:34:00 -
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Saladin FTW!!!
Thanks!
By chance you happen to have any Mastodon's? And if you don't... what would you fit on it? |
Neddy Fox
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.21 22:46:00 -
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Using a cloaking BR :
Since the decloaking->cloaking takes 30 seconds, the best option is to NOT use cloaking while warping, unless necessary.
When you cloaked and warped, pay attention to the destination when you load grid. If no hostiles are there, uncloak before reaching gate, and jump through.
Now, the session timer is almost the same as the recloaking timer, so wait until the session timer hits 0, then warp/cloak again. You will no auto-decloak before the session timer ends, so this is the safest way.
Showing the session timer : Hit <ESC>, general settings, left top box TICK "SHOW SESSION-CHANGE TIMER"
If you pay attention while flying, you will see a little clock left top corner, going down from 30 -> 0.. As soon as it hits 0, warp and cloak.
---- [PXIN Recruiter]
PXIN Recruitement thread |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.21 22:54:00 -
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Very clever... I'll have to keep that in mind.
/me thumbs up
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.24 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Typhado3 on 24/11/2008 11:23:25
Originally by: Drake Draconis Minmatar people seriously need loving.
I have 4 warp stabs on the Mastodon and plan to have pair of cargo optomizers and cargo hold expanders in the rest.
Agility is an issue... but if you can't STOP the ship... at least I'll be able to warp out.
In all cases... interdictor is the worst case scenario no matter what.
Now explain to me how the ECM burst works in this case... do i have to have a target to jam or do i just turn it on...
aoe burst similar to smartbombs, low chance of working and will cause agro / concordoken. I use it in 0.0 cause i have good ecm skills which boost it, in empire I use more shield extenders to protect from suicide ganks.
as someone mentioned above it doesn't keep them jammed it only breaks lock, and it will cause agro. It's menat to be used if you jump through a gate and some small ship catches you, or a few small ships catch you, you activate hope enough got broken and warp to safespot then cloak (YOU WILL HAVE A CLOAK FITTED IN 0.0, unless of course there is a friendly pos in system which works just as well).
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls |
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