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Plim
Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.20 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Apoctasy Edited by: Apoctasy on 20/11/2008 22:07:15 Its a big waste of time when CCP should be spending the resources on other things (lag, balancing, finishing the other proposed plans that are years late)
They are also doing those things. |
brakespear
Minmatar Heaven Up Here
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Posted - 2008.11.20 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae
Originally by: MooKids You got to admit, it can get pretty boring, sitting in a station and just staring at your ship. At least this will change things up.
You could try undocking. Just a thought.
I don't think I've ever just sat in station and done nothing. I'm there for fitting, organising my crap, updating orders. Once that's done, I'm out looking for a fight or whatever.
I guess this is why I don't 'get' ambulation. Do that many people really log in and just sit there looking at their ship? And you pay for this?
I understand spot's comment about future development and depth, but really I'm here for the spaceships. I'm just not interested in non-spaceship depth.
Then don't do ambulation - as far as I know it will not be forced on anyone :) |
Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.11.20 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tiirae on 20/11/2008 22:20:07
Originally by: Apoctasy Edited by: Apoctasy on 20/11/2008 22:07:15 Its a big waste of time when CCP should be spending the resources on other things (lag, balancing, finishing the other proposed plans that are years late)
This is a non argument. The tech is needed for the WoD mmo anyway. They have 300 people working on eve right now, and if you tried to put all of those onto bug-fixing etc will actually make those things take longer.
If you don't get this, try googling 'adding people to a late software project only makes it later'. it's a well-understood concept.
However, those of you saying 'well you don't have to use it' are missing the point. If 50% of my potential gang-mates or targets are docked up playing ****ing 3d tic-tac-toe then my eve experience will be severely degraded. This is what bothers me.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.20 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae However, those of you saying 'well you don't have to use it' are missing the point. If 50% of my potential gang-mates or targets are docked up playing ****ing 3d tic-tac-toe then my eve experience will be severely degraded. This is what bothers me.
I'll call CCP up right away and tell them to stop expanding their game because it might inconvenience a player. |
Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.11.20 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn I'll call CCP up right away and tell them to stop expanding their game because it might inconvenience a player.
Really, crumpled cornhole? What a vapid, pointless criticism.
Fact is, losing focus is one of the worst sins a software company can commit. Software being what it is, it's all too easy to think up new features and expansions that sound great on paper but turn out to be total disasters.
Hellmar admitted as much at fanfest, saying they had lost focus as a company and now have put everyone back on Eve with 'laser focus' to make the game much better.
Unfortunately, they have kind of missed the point. The key differentiator between Eve and other MMOs is the PvP and the unforgiving nature of the environment in which we fight... or build/trade (as these are often pvp activities as well). That's the 'eve brand' if you are a marketingdroid.
Walking in stations doesn't amplify those qualities, it dilutes them. Bad mistake. |
brakespear
Minmatar Heaven Up Here
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Posted - 2008.11.20 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: brakespear on 20/11/2008 23:06:05 Edited by: brakespear on 20/11/2008 23:05:41
Originally by: Tiirae
Originally by: Crumplecorn I'll call CCP up right away and tell them to stop expanding their game because it might inconvenience a player.
Really, crumpled cornhole? What a vapid, pointless criticism.
ooooh, ice burn
Originally by: Tiirae Unfortunately, they have kind of missed the point. The key differentiator between Eve and other MMOs is the PvP and the unforgiving nature of the environment in which we fight... or build/trade (as these are often pvp activities as well). That's the 'eve brand' if you are a marketingdroid.
Walking in stations doesn't amplify those qualities, it dilutes them. Bad mistake.
Maybe your view of the differntiator is different to mine....I see it as single universe thing myself....but back to WIS, you can't of course control your targets but if your gangmates aren't doing what you desire maybe you need a new gang? (please excuse any out of place spaces, knackered keyboard :) ) |
Corellian Jedi
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Posted - 2008.11.20 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae
Originally by: Crumplecorn I'll call CCP up right away and tell them to stop expanding their game because it might inconvenience a player.
Walking in stations doesn't amplify those qualities, it dilutes them. Bad mistake.
how does it dilute them? I can think of lots of ways ambulation would spice up Eve not least to mention:
Brothels Exotic Dancers Bar Brawls Casinos / Poker Having a Nice Office To keep your Stuffs In Having a Nice Bed to Have a Kip while you are stuck in a camped station. Karaoke Trying to Shoplift a Gistii X Large shield booster off the shelf of the Market in JM4
in fact think of all the fun minigames they could add such as having the choice to weld up all the holes in your Megathrons armor post battle.
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Marleau LeRoi
Caldari Praetorian Freespace
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Posted - 2008.11.20 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae The key differentiator between Eve and other MMOs is the PvP and the unforgiving nature of the environment in which we fight...
Is it? Says who? For a carebear, it's spreadsheets. For pirates it's PvP. Some might like mining because it allows time to chat in local, who knows. WiS may not be for you, but it might be the defining feature of EVE for others. CCP is gambling that it brings in more players (and keeps them here). In the end, it's more for you to shoot at, sell to, or whatever.
I'll try it out when it comes, if I like it, great, if not, great. If turns out that it doesn't really offer anything of tactical significance, then I imagine most wont bother.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.20 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae Unfortunately, they have kind of missed the point. The key differentiator between Eve and other MMOs is the PvP and the unforgiving nature of the environment in which we fight... or build/trade (as these are often pvp activities as well). That's the 'eve brand' if you are a marketingdroid.
Walking in stations doesn't amplify those qualities, it dilutes them. Bad mistake.
How does it dilute them? If ambulation offered some way to get ahead in the game while avoiding PvP, a replacement for the existing gameplay, this argument might have some merit, but as it is all it does is expand the game for people who don't want to spend their time PvPing or taking advantage of EVE's current non-PvP options, people who at the moment simply do something other than play EVE, and more importantly people who don't play EVE at all.
Furthermore, while I agree the game should be PvP focused, that does not mean it should be shallow. Fleshing out the environment matters to some people, people looking for more than UT (or microsoft excel, if that's you thing) in space. -
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SUAO
Hazardous Flame
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Posted - 2008.11.20 23:15:00 -
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It's... Cool? Enough for me. Also, is there a point to this? Or did you just read my sig? |
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Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.11.20 23:16:00 -
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Some of us like the idea.
And as for how it helps traders, I would MUCH rather modify orders while sitting in a virtual bar. It adds so much to the RPG element, and that's awesome in my book.
--- For great justice. Or something.
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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.20 23:58:00 -
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This is going to be disastrous for PVP.
Might as well rename the game to: EVE: Second Life Futuristic Edition.
So now the guys you're camping in a station don't have to sit there bored anymore. No no, they can go sit in a bar and make internet sechs with virtual prostitutes while you sit outside waiting for them with no new worthwhile content.
Brilliant! |
Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne This is going to be disastrous for PVP.
Might as well rename the game to: EVE: Second Life Futuristic Edition.
So now the guys you're camping in a station don't have to sit there bored anymore. No no, they can go sit in a bar and make internet sechs with virtual prostitutes while you sit outside waiting for them with no new worthwhile content.
Brilliant!
They never did have to sit there bored. Leaving the computer was always an option. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne This is going to be disastrous for PVP.
Might as well rename the game to: EVE: Second Life Futuristic Edition.
So now the guys you're camping in a station don't have to sit there bored anymore. No no, they can go sit in a bar and make internet sechs with virtual prostitutes while you sit outside waiting for them with no new worthwhile content.
Brilliant!
What, them going AFK or logging out is better?
It would be more constructive to suggest that CCP make it harder to escape into stations. |
Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Corellian Jedi So:
SWG - good Ambulation with crap space combat element
Eve - good Space Combat with crap ambulation element.
I for one and dissapointed i won't finally be able to beat the XXXX out of some midget achuran suicide ganker for podding me.
you should be able to gank pilots leaving their dock and steal back your loot before they get to the market with it.
Ambulation with no fighting. waste of time.
I don't know if anyone's told you yet, but SWG comparisons are basically the Godwin's Law of the forums. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Sha Dar
eXceeded DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sha Dar on 21/11/2008 00:49:51 It's got nothing to do with eve as such, it's just that we get to be the guinea pigs for their new WOD MMO and find/iron out all the bugs in their ambulation software before said mmo is released on the market..
Unpaid beta testers 4TL
It being added to eve is just a by-product of that development, but meh, as long as it comes with the option to turn if off from day one, who cares. |
Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:51:00 -
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Four words:-
Dark Blood Leather G-String |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sha Dar It's got nothing to do with eve as such, it's just that we get to be the guinea pigs for their new WOD MMO and find/iron out all the bugs in their ambulation software before said mmo is released on the market..
Unpaid beta testers 4TL
Yeah, getting free stuff sucks eh. |
Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:54:00 -
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I've known people from other MMO's that wouldn't have anything to do with EVE simply because all you ever see is a ship and can not connect with the character. I don't get that myself probably why I play EVE and they don't. |
Sha Dar
eXceeded DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:55:00 -
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It damn well does yes, when the cost of it is petitions that after two months still havent been sorted out etc... |
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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Thargat on 21/11/2008 01:00:04 It will allow you to run around in outrageous outfits and be crazy annoying in stations that are mostly controlled by someone else (with an alt ofcourse). And they can do jack to stop you
edit: but to be honest I'm really looking forward to it. If not for anything else but the seperate servers (ambulating people hogging less "in-flight-space" resources).
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.21 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sha Dar It damn well does yes, when the cost of it is petitions that after two months still havent been sorted out etc...
So what you're actually saying is that you object to CCP making another MMO. Because that's what they're actually doing - they're developing the engine for the WoD MMO and then porting the engine of that MMO into EVE. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.21 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sha Dar It damn well does yes, when the cost of it is petitions that after two months still havent been sorted out etc...
Artists answering petitions etc... -
DesuSigs |
Melene Gedev
Minmatar Redshift Industrial
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Posted - 2008.11.21 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic So what you're actually saying is that you object to CCP making another MMO. Because that's what they're actually doing - they're developing the engine for the WoD MMO and then porting the engine of that MMO into EVE.
Signed. I've always thought this is what they were doing, and we're paying for it. Awesome!
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Sha Dar It damn well does yes, when the cost of it is petitions that after two months still havent been sorted out etc...
Artists answering petitions etc...
Programmer budget being spend on artist salaries etc. ... |
Mankirks Wife
Caldari Space Furry Association
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Posted - 2008.11.21 01:18:00 -
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Strange, I always thought Eve was a sandbox with super ultra hardcore "I EAT YOUR BABIES!" parts.
I guess I was wrong about the sandbox part. CCP should remove missions, mining, exploration, trading, and any other activities I might have missed along with tossing out what they've done on Ambulation so far, and then rename EVE to "Counterstrike - Deep Space Edition"
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.21 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 21/11/2008 01:29:17
Originally by: Melene Gedev
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Sha Dar It damn well does yes, when the cost of it is petitions that after two months still havent been sorted out etc...
Artists answering petitions etc...
Programmer budget being spend on artist salaries etc. ...
More programmers making development faster etc... -
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.21 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Melene Gedev
Originally by: Tarminic So what you're actually saying is that you object to CCP making another MMO. Because that's what they're actually doing - they're developing the engine for the WoD MMO and then porting the engine of that MMO into EVE.
Signed. I've always thought this is what they were doing, and we're paying for it. Awesome!
This is how game developers usually work.
1. Make game. Have fun. 2. Get people to spend money on game. 3 (regular games). Make another, different game. Have fun. 3 (MMOS). Slave on improvements forever to retain customer attention. Die alone and unloved.
So, let's recap: CCP makes game world for you to play in. You pay for access to this world. CCP does whatever it wants to do with this money. They have nothing saying they need to spend it in a way that makes you happy, in fact they are free to use it to **** you off. Now, they are spending money on development of a different game, and they are so genuinely rotten that they are also looking at ways to use the stuff from that to make the EVE world richer. Distasteful.
Subscription is not a tax, it is payment.
/vitriol. -----
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UD549
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Posted - 2008.11.21 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Neco Totus Edited by: Neco Totus on 20/11/2008 19:52:39 So we get to walk around in stations. Is that it?
How does that help me mine better? How does that help fleet battles? How does it help out traders?
Not sure I understand what all the excitement is about.
Seems like nothing but a marketing idea.
Yea CCP shouldn't add anything new to the game, they should just make eve a browser-based text adventure. WizArds!!11!!!! I cast lighting sheeps pewpewpew!! Seriously though, if u dont like it then, ur stuff--->my hanger
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae Edited by: Tiirae on 20/11/2008 22:20:07
Originally by: Apoctasy Edited by: Apoctasy on 20/11/2008 22:07:15 Its a big waste of time when CCP should be spending the resources on other things (lag, balancing, finishing the other proposed plans that are years late)
This is a non argument. The tech is needed for the WoD mmo anyway. They have 300 people working on eve right now, and if you tried to put all of those onto bug-fixing etc will actually make those things take longer.
If you don't get this, try googling 'adding people to a late software project only makes it later'. it's a well-understood concept.
However, those of you saying 'well you don't have to use it' are missing the point. If 50% of my potential gang-mates or targets are docked up playing ****ing 3d tic-tac-toe then my eve experience will be severely degraded. This is what bothers me.
If people would rather play solitaire than fly with you, Ambulation is a symptom, not the cause of your real problem.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia Four words:-
Dark Blood Leather G-String
WTB hit me up in game (I've been naughty)
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