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Childe Twilight
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Posted - 2008.11.22 21:46:00 -
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Dear CSM,
For Australia/NZ players, every day's regular DT comes right in the middle of peak playing time - 9pm AEST (Brisbane/Sydney/Canberra/Melbourne) or 10 pm AEDST. As such ANZAC players feel a little discriminated against, and gameplay style gets cramped.
Yes, being a one-server global game, DT runs a chance of being inconvenient for someone, and I fully understand that in terms of volume, ANZACs don't compare to Europe and Northern America. I ask only that the issue be discussed to see if there is a time slot that would NOT create issues for Europe/NA and remove the issue for ANZACs.
Assuming that no-one would stand for DT in their local 8:00 pm to midnight slot, and that CCP need staff on deck during GMT daylight for DT maintenance, then a quick and rough calculation says to me that some time around 15:00-17:00 GMT could achieve this. That's around 2:00 to 4:00 Australian, 9:00-11:00 US east coast, 6:00-8:00 US west coast.
I don't know what the player presence online is from Europe at that time however - could be that is a moderately heavy period there and thus not an option.
To progress this it would be good to initially ask CCP to provide figures on the number of players online from each geographical area over a typical 24-hr period, if that's possible. Analysis of that may show that the "win" criteria I outlined above isn't achieveable. Or it may show there are options that haven't been considered.
Respectfully submitted for your consideration.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.22 21:55:00 -
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god not this gain...
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.11.22 23:28:00 -
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DT is fine as it is.
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Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.23 00:04:00 -
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I live in New Zealand, and I have no problem with DT happening at 11pm or midnight (daylight savings). If I'm still up then, its a good time to go to bed.
Moving the DT will make some players leave because it sits right in the middle of their playing time. These players will leave quickly, any extra players gained from this will trickle in. You don't count because your playing Eve despite the DT being a problem for you. ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues. |
Childe Twilight
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:19:00 -
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LaVista, Hesod, thanks - one of my intentions in posting this was to gauge to what degree it's an issue. You're fine with it where it is; no problem, if I'm in a minority on this I'll retire it gracefully.
Malcanis, "god not this gain" [sic] tells me nothing. What's the actual argument? What geographical location are you in? If you're not an ANZAC, I wouldn't expect you to immediately care, because we haven't even established whether enough ANZACs have enough of a problem to warrant it going any further. But neither would I expect you to pour cold water on it because "I'm alright Jack so **** you". Unless you have a point to make or an actual view to express, you're just trolling. If this discussion has taken place in the past, please paste the link.
I would like to hear from ANZACs and Asia/Pacific zone people what they think, one way or another, . Is this an issue for you? If so, how badly? "I hate it so bad I'm leaving", "I don't like it but I can live with it", or "Meh. I'm okay, what's your delusion, you brain-damaged idiot?" (Actually, no insults would be preferable, but this is the EVE forums and we've already established we can't have three replies without someone getting condescending! )
Hesod, my original post says clearly that I'm trying to find out if there is a slot for DT where it doesn't unduly interfere with anyone's playing time. If there's no such thing, fine, it's a dead issue. But I would like to see evidence of that. If there's a slot where really only 16 people from Outer Lithuania are playing, then as far as I'm concerned they lose, because however-many people from the rest of the world could be playing instead. (And as I've said, if it's just me that has a problem, then fine, I'll shut up.)
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Orb Lati
Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.24 00:27:00 -
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Not Supported.
As a NZer i have no issue when the DT occurs, apart from the gripe that Ausies get to go Faction/fficer hunting when the server restarts and im already off the sleep.
DT is unlikely to ever change as its based on the Iceland timezone.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.24 01:46:00 -
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Do your research and check the forums before you make such foolish posts. This has been discussed again..and again..and again.
And once again.. the answer is no.
Fer cryin out loud... its just 1 measly hour. OMGWTHICANTPLAYEVEFORANHOUR!
Go cry me a river.
Go play WOW for an hour then come back during DT.
T.T
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Childe Twilight
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Posted - 2008.11.24 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Do your research and check the forums before you make such foolish posts. This has been discussed again..and again..and again.
And once again.. the answer is no.
Fer cryin out loud... its just 1 measly hour. OMGWTHICANTPLAYEVEFORANHOUR!
Go cry me a river.
Go play WOW for an hour then come back during DT.
T.T
See my post #5 above, particularly the bit about "post me a link". I am not about to go searching through hundreds of thousands of threads that happen to include someone saying "downtime".
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.24 06:52:00 -
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You got an hour of time to read the forums... an hour of DT every night.
Do it yourself.
It will keep you busy : O P
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.24 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 24/11/2008 07:36:12
Originally by: Childe Twilight
Assuming .... that CCP need staff on deck during GMT daylight for DT maintenance, then a quick and rough calculation says to me that some time around 15:00-17:00 GMT could achieve this.
That around 15:00-17:00 Iceland and England too. So if there is a problem and the DT is extended the CCP staff will work overtime to resolve it instead of doing it in regular working hours.
So the cost is higher.
CCP should introduce a special overcharged subscription fee for ANZAC to cover for such a change?
Originally by: Childe Twilight
See my post #5 above, particularly the bit about "post me a link". I am not about to go searching through hundreds of thousands of threads that happen to include someone saying "downtime".
You are the one starting the same argument for the thousand time. But you don't even want to do a bit of work to see what where the arguments pro and against the other times it was shot down?
Lazy.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.24 08:11:00 -
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This has been raised intermittently for as long as I've been playing, and was also discussed in my campaign thread six months ago. My position hasn't really changed, either. It didn't bother me personally then and it doesn't bother me personally now.
Go watch the Fanfest 2008 presentation where they break down the player percentages from each country, and you'll see how many people you're proposing to negatively affect for the benefit of how many less.
Not supported.
/Ben
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Aiden Bismuth
Gallente Die Boere Mag Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.24 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Childe Twilight
Assuming that no-one would stand for DT in their local 8:00 pm to midnight slot, and that CCP need staff on deck during GMT daylight for DT maintenance, then a quick and rough calculation says to me that some time around 15:00-17:00 GMT could achieve this. That's around 2:00 to 4:00 Australian, 9:00-11:00 US east coast, 6:00-8:00 US west coast.
Heh, your proposed downtime is during the period that I've seen 35k+ players on, so I doubt CCP would shut their servers down then. Oh yeah, and right in the middle of my playing time.
The only time that DT affects me is on weekends if I'm playing EVE, or I am not at work. But, this is not the case every single time, as I don't play EVE 23/7.
I say keep DT as it is. I don't know why CCP chose that time, I would guess it's when the server load is low, and their staff are available.
AB
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Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.24 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Childe Twilight Assuming that no-one would stand for DT in their local 8:00 pm to midnight slot, and that CCP need staff on deck during GMT daylight for DT maintenance, then a quick and rough calculation says to me that some time around 15:00-17:00 GMT could achieve this. That's around 2:00 to 4:00 Australian, 9:00-11:00 US east coast, 6:00-8:00 US west coast.
How did you forget about Europe ? ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.24 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aiden Bismuth
I say keep DT as it is. I don't know why CCP chose that time, I would guess it's when the server load is low, and their staff are available.
It is 11:00-12:00 in Iceland and England. CCP main offices are in Reykjavik (Iceland) and the server is in London (England).
So starting DT at 11:00 allow them to get at work at 8:00, do the preliminary work, start the DT at 11:00 and still go to eat at 13:00-13:30 even if there are troubles restarting the server, unless there are big problems.
If there are big problems they still have time till 17:00 to fix them without doing overtime and working 8 hours in a day, so being still fully alert even at the end of the work time.
So essentially the time was chosen to get the best performance from CCP staff and the lower cost for the corp. At the same time it is a part of the day where they will disturb the lowest number of costumers possible.
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ian666
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.24 09:21:00 -
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DT on SiSi many times was around 01:00am gmt when ccp staff 'should' sleep, so its doable to do DT on Tq in other part of the day or night.
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Pichonsita
Caldari FILTHY MINKY CORP DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.11.24 11:42:00 -
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i live in Argentina, downtime for me is from 9am to 10 am if is not extended (before was from 8 am to 9 am, but the country change the time again -.-)
and i have to wake up 7 am to change a skill in order to not loose 30 min of trianing lol, leave it as it is, is damm good, go watch tv an hour or do something else.
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.11.24 12:16:00 -
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If you look at the server usage graphs at Coldfront, you'll find that TQ downtime is always at the BEST time already - when nobody is playing. Any other time of the day and at least someone is playing. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces |
Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.24 13:05:00 -
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DT is bad enough already, don't suggest an even worse time.
The problem is DT itself, it should only really be necessary 1-2x/week.
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Childe Twilight
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Posted - 2008.11.26 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta If you look at the server usage graphs at Coldfront, you'll find that TQ downtime is always at the BEST time already - when nobody is playing. Any other time of the day and at least someone is playing.
Okay then, by the same logic, there's no problem scheduling it for 9 pm GMT. (Then you'd really know why I'd kinda like to see it changed!)
Originally by: Ben Derindar Go watch the Fanfest 2008 presentation where they break down the player percentages from each country, and you'll see how many people you're proposing to negatively affect for the benefit of how many less.
Will do and thanks - this is exactly the sort of info I was hoping for.
Originally by: Venkul Mul So if there is a problem and the DT is extended the CCP staff will work overtime to resolve it instead of doing it in regular working hours.
So the cost is higher.
Good point.
Originally by: Venkul Mul But you don't even want to do a bit of work to see what where the arguments pro and against the other times it was shot down?
Lazy.
Nope. Simply don't have the time to wade through quintillions of forum posts for something that may or may not be there. (A decent frickin' search function for the forums would be excellent.) In any event, you're the one saying this has been done to death before, the onus is on you to demonstrate you're correct.
Thanks all for contributing. This is definitely shaping up as a no-hoper. And I'm fine with that, accusations of dimwittery notwithstanding! (Gotta love the drive-by 'lol u r stoopid' remarks. The fine art of debate at its best.) I'll look at those figures from FanFest and then (probably) come back here and officially deep-six this.
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Childe Twilight
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Posted - 2008.11.26 01:51:00 -
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Yep, this is one dead dodo.
Came across this before I found that FanFest presentation. But it was enough to determine that:
USA: 37.3% of subscribers EUR: 41.5% (defining "Europe" as including Russia) AUS: 3.1% OTH: 11.0%
So even if only 10% of the Europe subscribers were online in the 15:00-17:00 GMT space (the only time that looked remotely viable), then every single Australian player would need to be online to have a hope of making it a fair swap. Even then, it would be annoying 4% of the player base to make the 3% that are Australian players happy. This is nothing like a convincing case!
I concede. Damn you, world! Don't expect me to come and fight for you in the next war!
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Yoshi Horohito
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:53:00 -
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I looked at a World Map....7AM GMT seems like it would be good for all kinda.....makes it like 7AM in England....waaayyyy too early or late to be playing....like 3-6PM for Aussies....should be at work.....by the time it hits the west coast of USA we are talking 12AM or 1AM or someting....time to go to bed.... and by the time it hits east coast its still like 3 or 4AM which is really time to go to bed lol.
But whatever...it seems that even thinking about this is a wasted effort as opinions are like *******s.....everyone has one and they all stink.
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