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HyperBeanie
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: HyperBeanie on 10/03/2010 19:32:08
Originally by: Trader Jen
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Trader Jen anddddddddddddddddddddd down goes eve-kill again.
you're terrible. I've switched to griefwatch.
Yes we are terrible, even more terrible than you, you pestering little troll..
Anyway, during the night some hardware seemed to have failed, so we shut the server down and ran a diagnostic on it - the results of that are still on the way, but if there is some faulty hardware (which, is highly likely when IO Load suddenly sky rockets without any warning, or reason) - it will get fixed.
ETA on it all being back is later tonight.
surely everyone is glad to hear their KB is gunna be down for another few hours...it's near 18 hours ur server's been down. Well done.
Still think daily re-boots are bad, tool?
Yes, server is down. Kernel crapped out on us, so we are in the process of reinstating a backup.
And please stay out of this thread if you have nothing constructive to say! And no, daily reboots are not good, no matter what. Ask ANY serious hosting provider if they have daily downtime? No! CCP has a daily downtime to re-seed stuff, do database maintenance that is not possible to do while the server is online. Are you even sure they are rebooting the machine?
Anyway, to sum it up. Killboards will be down for a day or so, the upside is we start with a fresh server (which doesn't need rebooting every day). No data is lost as we have our backups covered!
And Trader Jen, if you have ANYTHING constructive to say, please join our irc.coldfront.net #esc and have a chat with us. We would LOVE to hear how we should manage our server!
/Beanie EVSCO - Free and Paid killboards - Get yours today! |
Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2010.03.10 20:13:00 -
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What testing did you do on this new release before implementing it?
What will influence your decision to rollback to the previous version, assuming that's still an option?
Also, the queuing thing is an absolutely terrible decision, regardless of the bugs or not. People like to post and view their kills immediately to share the details with others, and queuing prevents that.
I'd stay with you through the bugs, but I plan to leave over this queuing BS.
-- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in lowsec/0.0/wormhole space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub". |
Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2010.03.10 20:27:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Trader Jen
Originally by: Karbowiak
So, rebooting have the opposite effect, being even more slow. ATM it takes about an hour to build up the caches we use each time we restart something.
So - seeing as you have no clue what you actually write - please, go away, you are ruining my Tuesday morning
lol...so you're ARGUING against proven methods that rebooting a server once a day so it can effectively clean up any issues is a bad thing? I didn't think they made them as dumb as you.
And for the record I'm not a competing KB host looking to troll you. I have stated nothing here except facts about your killboard you refuse to accept and change. I am a PAYING customer with 4 boards. I've got a right to make mention of poor service when the service fails to meet simple needs such as regular availability.
Sorry for paying for a service and being unhappy with it when it takes a turn south. A 10 year old script kiddie could run a better killboard service than you guys at this point.
There is no possible way you have any server or hosting experience at all. Only a complete moron thinks rebooting a server daily is anything but an oddity. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
HyperBeanie
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Darcon Kylote What testing did you do on this new release before implementing it?
What will influence your decision to rollback to the previous version, assuming that's still an option?
Also, the queuing thing is an absolutely terrible decision, regardless of the bugs or not. People like to post and view their kills immediately to share the details with others, and queuing prevents that.
I'd stay with you through the bugs, but I plan to leave over this queuing BS.
The source we staged to evsco has been running on Triumvirate. killboard for 2 months and was tested on Finfleet killboard over the last month. So we thought it ready to be put into production.
I'm sad to hear about the queuing, that's one of the things we were quite happy to add (it REALLY removed alot of the duplicates caused by the db locking and then adding mails several times). The current queuing system is NOT final or done in any way, it was a quick fix to relieve the server of some load. Our idea was to give you a queue ID of the killmail, that you could follow, either live or by entering it in some sort of search box. I promise we will update you on this feature as it progresses. But that said, i will remove the queue once the server is stable again. So you should see that happening after tommorow at some point.
I also hope that you will stay with us, and i apologize for all the problems and downtime the last week!
/Beanie EVSCO - Free and Paid killboards - Get yours today! |
ExplicitViolence
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Posted - 2010.03.10 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: Trader Jen
Originally by: Karbowiak
So, rebooting have the opposite effect, being even more slow. ATM it takes about an hour to build up the caches we use each time we restart something.
So - seeing as you have no clue what you actually write - please, go away, you are ruining my Tuesday morning
lol...so you're ARGUING against proven methods that rebooting a server once a day so it can effectively clean up any issues is a bad thing? I didn't think they made them as dumb as you.
And for the record I'm not a competing KB host looking to troll you. I have stated nothing here except facts about your killboard you refuse to accept and change. I am a PAYING customer with 4 boards. I've got a right to make mention of poor service when the service fails to meet simple needs such as regular availability.
Sorry for paying for a service and being unhappy with it when it takes a turn south. A 10 year old script kiddie could run a better killboard service than you guys at this point.
There is no possible way you have any server or hosting experience at all. Only a complete moron thinks rebooting a server daily is anything but an oddity.
I second this, with emphasis.
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Lallaallaa
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:01:00 -
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Karbowiak is a special kind of stupid.
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dzemal
Dark Space Frontier
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:02:00 -
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First of all i dont' host my kb with evsco but on my own server and second i only use their feed to import kills to my kb. Now, i use that single thing and i can't imagine doing it any other way. Copy/Paste is the worst thing that can heppen when you have day or two of killmails, so with that i want to say THANK YOU for trying to make this work guys and i know many other people are feeling the same.
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modena
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:04:00 -
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(17:00:00) (modena) Real men deploy before testing c/d? (17:00:11) (~Karbowiak) testing enviroments is for pussies
ESC ftw.
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HyperBeanie
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: dzemal First of all i dont' host my kb with evsco but on my own server and second i only use their feed to import kills to my kb. Now, i use that single thing and i can't imagine doing it any other way. Copy/Paste is the worst thing that can heppen when you have day or two of killmails, so with that i want to say THANK YOU for trying to make this work guys and i know many other people are feeling the same.
Thanks for the kind words! The last week has been nothing but work!
(Ask my GF if she is very happy about EVSCO right now, lol) EVSCO - Free and Paid killboards - Get yours today! |
Saturous
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Saturous on 10/03/2010 21:34:31
Originally by: Trader Jen
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Trader Jen anddddddddddddddddddddd down goes eve-kill again.
you're terrible. I've switched to griefwatch.
Yes we are terrible, even more terrible than you, you pestering little troll..
Anyway, during the night some hardware seemed to have failed, so we shut the server down and ran a diagnostic on it - the results of that are still on the way, but if there is some faulty hardware (which, is highly likely when IO Load suddenly sky rockets without any warning, or reason) - it will get fixed.
ETA on it all being back is later tonight.
surely everyone is glad to hear their KB is gunna be down for another few hours...it's near 18 hours ur server's been down. Well done.
Still think daily re-boots are bad, tool?
Holy, holy, sweet crap. I rarely, ever, reply to people on the forums because its full of trolling ******s, but you Jen are something unreal. I can't actually believe how much of a whining, silly little ***** you are, were you bullied in school or something in real life? I've never heard someone so god damn ungrateful for a service which costs near to nothing to use... these guys ask for ISK to run the servers, not real money, which can I remind you, they can't convert to real money without breaking any violations (update me if inaccurate) and yet you still ***** like a child with no ********* to post on whatever main you have which deserves to be deleted.
If you think you can sit here and smack all day about how bad the servers have been, go make your own damn killboard server. Agreed I smack karb too about his servers now and then, but you're just a pathetic parasite.
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Ralavina
Vivicide
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:53:00 -
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Jesus Christ - I found this thread via the "server down" message when I went to click on a killmail link on SHC...didn't know this thread was here. I read the line in today's update saying something sarcastic to Jen so I went back and read it - Jen what the hell is wrong with you?
These guys are a group of PLAYERS who have made a wonderful product used by thousands of corporations (thousands I bet?) and work really hard on it. What on Earth makes you think you have the right to talk to them in that way?
Oh, you pay a tiny amount of imaginary internet spaceship money a month to get an essentially free product with great service (whenever I've had a question or issue with my killboard and spoken to Karbowiak about it, he's always answered straight away or as soon as he came online and been nothing but helpful and friendly) and you think you can tell them how to run their server?
Not to bring out the old gem "I work in [insert profession here] therefore I know what I'm on about.... I work in IT and am responsible for 4 server rooms both on location and remotely - I cannot recall a time I have worked there (3 years now) except for a major upgrade such as a new server OS or major patch to whatever software they're running - or physical problems like one of them's caught fire ( >< ) they are not rebooted ever... unless there's a (again) major issue (some sort of freeze up / crash / etc). There is no such thing as "daily downtime" in the server world; certainly not in the business world.
CCP runs eve on a server farm and you honestly thing they turn off and reboot hundreds/thousands of servers a day? I bet the only time they're rebooted is during patching (and even small patches - the 1-5mb ones I bet they don't do a full reboot).
You are talking out of your arse here. -- Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p |
Simone deBeauvoir
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: ExplicitViolence
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: Trader Jen
Originally by: Karbowiak
So, rebooting have the opposite effect, being even more slow. ATM it takes about an hour to build up the caches we use each time we restart something.
So - seeing as you have no clue what you actually write - please, go away, you are ruining my Tuesday morning
lol...so you're ARGUING against proven methods that rebooting a server once a day so it can effectively clean up any issues is a bad thing? I didn't think they made them as dumb as you.
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There is no possible way you have any server or hosting experience at all. Only a complete moron thinks rebooting a server daily is anything but an oddity.
I second this, with emphasis.
Tertiary agreement with a cherry on top. I provide risk oversight for 55,000 servers (a number that isn't unusual at Fortune 100 companies). We manage to run them all successfully without daily reboots. Anyone that believes daily reboots to be a continuity best practice is either extrordinarily ignorant or running poorly written applications.
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michael weels
Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: michael weels on 10/03/2010 21:56:39
Originally by: Trader Jen Still think daily re-boots are bad, tool?
You're a riot mate! Also extremely inaccurate and wrong about just about each and every one of your observations regarding evsco so far, at least how to handle servers.. tbh this guys more right:
Quote: <Mayhem> K so you sed you needad advize onn hednlig sewers? tape dry ajs to chassiz to kaap server icei <Mayhem> No mare problims after u c
A daily server reboot is about as fail as a weekly Windows XP re-install, which used to be common not long ago due to people's failsauce =P
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Oxana Ptotemkish
Caldari Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.03.10 22:10:00 -
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I, for one, have been a customer for a while.
While this is annoying, for the service I get overall I am pretty happy. They do a decent job for the isk I pay.
Keep it going, and thanks for your hard work.
--Oxana "The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education."-- Paul Feyerabend |
Trader Jen
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:17:00 -
[285]
lol, looks like karbo pulled the "hey guys, someones posting truthiness on the forums about me, please defend me" email in Tri Alliance mail.
Well done mate. Good to know you have a bag full of tools following you. |
Karbowiak
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:17:00 -
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Thanks for the replies guys! :)
The efforts to get everything back in order again, will continue tomorrow - Beans worked all day (even through a work meeting) while i was otherwise occupied - i will too keep working till its all back in its full glory.
Sorry for the massive amounts of downtime, problems and otherwise ******ed **** that has been happening to the service as of lately - we will be sure to compensate everyone with appropriate amounts of killboard time once its all back on its feet.
Again, we are sorry for the downtime - BUT rest assured, we ARE working on it!
ps. Jen - who is your main?.. come on, dont hold back..
Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO |
Saturous
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:24:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Trader Jen lol, looks like karbo pulled the "hey guys, someones posting truthiness on the forums about me, please defend me" email in Tri Alliance mail.
Well done mate. Good to know you have a bag full of tools following you.
No, its called common sense, you're the biggest durp i've seen on this forum, even if i wasn't in tri i'd still say you're a moron.
still waiting to see a better killboard from you oh wise prophet.
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Jeronica
Minmatar Incarnation of Evil BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:28:00 -
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When do light bulbs go out? When you leave it on or when you flip the switch.
I imagine the same would go for rebooting a server.
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OriasV
Mean Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:30:00 -
[289]
Just stumbled across this - I don't eve know how, fate??
I was wondering why the KB issues. Sorry you guys are having so many issues. As alot of guys have said for the relatively unnoticable cost that is entailed within your kb service. To just *****/moan/up and change due to some problems is just a sad dramatic thing to do.
Hope ya'll get the kb working soon, im paid for over a year yet lol.
On a side note, lol @ changing to griefwatch, them be some ugly kb's :P
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13 HAMMERFIST
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:34:00 -
[290]
lol it's all good!! i enjoy my kb and i apreciate your efforts to get it back online.
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Saphira Khan
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.11 00:56:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Trader Jen
Originally by: Karbowiak
So, rebooting have the opposite effect, being even more slow. ATM it takes about an hour to build up the caches we use each time we restart something.
So - seeing as you have no clue what you actually write - please, go away, you are ruining my Tuesday morning
lol...so you're ARGUING against proven methods that rebooting a server once a day so it can effectively clean up any issues is a bad thing? I didn't think they made them as dumb as you.
And for the record I'm not a competing KB host looking to troll you. I have stated nothing here except facts about your killboard you refuse to accept and change. I am a PAYING customer with 4 boards. I've got a right to make mention of poor service when the service fails to meet simple needs such as regular availability.
Sorry for paying for a service and being unhappy with it when it takes a turn south. A 10 year old script kiddie could run a better killboard service than you guys at this point.
seriously gtfo, the more posts you make the dumber you look.. maybe windows servers need a daily reboot but i bet you have never ever heard of linux.. rebooting a server is a ****ing dumb thing to do.
how can you see this is a "proven" method? where is this prove? please provide me with a link or a reference to a book before you talk about prove.
i run a hosting company myself for a long time now and here is an example uptime of my server: 01:54:00 up 686 days, 11:00, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Servers run great, please take a look at the linux garbage collector for more information.
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Ophichius
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2010.03.11 01:13:00 -
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Hard luck about the deployment guys, hope you have that fixed soon.
To everyone else whinging about the service: HTFU.
If anyone at EVSCO has time off from dealing with the issue, can you post up a short summary of how exactly things died? For those of us who run severs of our own, adding another item to check on the pre-deployment list of 'nasty things that can trip up deployments' would be handy.
-O I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers. That way I wouldn't have to have any goddam stupid useless conversations with anybody. |
Trader Jen
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Posted - 2010.03.11 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Saturous still waiting to see a better killboard from you oh wise prophet.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1278132&page=1
just sayin |
Saturous
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.11 02:09:00 -
[294]
Edited by: Saturous on 11/03/2010 02:08:53 Great well i'm sure everyone in future will keep a good eye on whatever you do as your own future project and critise you for everything.
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Skitzofrentic
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Posted - 2010.03.11 03:11:00 -
[295]
Originally by: HyperBeanie
Originally by: Darcon Kylote What testing did you do on this new release before implementing it?
What will influence your decision to rollback to the previous version, assuming that's still an option?
Also, the queuing thing is an absolutely terrible decision, regardless of the bugs or not. People like to post and view their kills immediately to share the details with others, and queuing prevents that.
I'd stay with you through the bugs, but I plan to leave over this queuing BS.
The source we staged to evsco has been running on Triumvirate. killboard for 2 months and was tested on Finfleet killboard over the last month. So we thought it ready to be put into production.
I'm sad to hear about the queuing, that's one of the things we were quite happy to add (it REALLY removed alot of the duplicates caused by the db locking and then adding mails several times). The current queuing system is NOT final or done in any way, it was a quick fix to relieve the server of some load. Our idea was to give you a queue ID of the killmail, that you could follow, either live or by entering it in some sort of search box. I promise we will update you on this feature as it progresses. But that said, i will remove the queue once the server is stable again. So you should see that happening after tommorow at some point.
I also hope that you will stay with us, and i apologize for all the problems and downtime the last week!
/Beanie
OK, I'll ask the obvious question. How come eve-kill isn't good enough for Atlas?
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Shoshinge
Caldari Caldari Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.03.11 03:23:00 -
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Sorry to hear about the outage, Wish you the best of luck in restoring ASAP.
(may have been noted, haven't finished reading the thread) Also do you have any idea, why the server died. Pilot looking for a hope in 0.0 Gurista space. |
Luminary Xion
Gallente Frontier Elements
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Posted - 2010.03.11 03:45:00 -
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I wish the EVSCO team patience and grace while working so very hard to restore this awesome service.
I made brownies while we wait.
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Propoli
Minmatar When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2010.03.11 04:54:00 -
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Ignore the people talking about rebooting web servers, its embarrassing.
You provide me with a KB for free so any downtime is no problem, stuff happens, I hope you get it sorted.
Good luck.
Cheers.
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Space Hog
NEW DAWN CO Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2010.03.11 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Trader Jen lol, looks like karbo pulled the "hey guys, someones posting truthiness on the forums about me, please defend me" email in Tri Alliance mail.
Well done mate. Good to know you have a bag full of tools following you.
Wow really brings out the tool in you.
The guys at EVSCO have done a excellent job frankly. I agree on the posting Que needs to go away. But you try footing the real life bill for the server equipment that handles the traffic theirs does, and the connection that is needed. Then you go support it and tell us how that goes.
On the note of servers, I do know for certain fact you do not reboot them every day. Windows boxes I can see that as a possibility. back in the day. These are most likely running some sort of linux (thus the mention about the kernal taking a crap) which is a rare thing I believe.
KEEP up the good work and look forward to things getting back online.
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DenShou
Wolves of Fenrir
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Posted - 2010.03.11 06:22:00 -
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@Trader Jen, wow ummmn.... still looking for a killboard here. All I see is fancy, but no bang for my isk.
@EVSCO Good luck and god speed.
Originally by: Trader Jen
Originally by: Saturous still waiting to see a better killboard from you oh wise prophet.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1278132&page=1
just sayin
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