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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Because this is not WOW.
Stop being a MMOTARD and accept the fact that EVE-Online will remain unique for that very reason.
If you don't have time to play the game... then you shouldn't be playing it in the first place.
I have a full time job... I pay my bills...just like any other hard working individual. The only reason I play this game is because its not like other MMO[RPG]s where I won't get overhsaodwed by some punkass idiot who's played only a week and does things that other players spent weeks if not months of hard earned time and work getting to.
Everyone has an equal chance of acheiving the ability to use/employ the hundreds of fun little things you can in this game.... each advanced aspect takes time.
Not effort.
Anyone can sit on there ass for an few hours and level up a character.
Few have brains enough...let alone the Maturity to wait.... and be patient.
Patience is everything in this game.... and that's why I will gladly spend more money on this game to keep it that way.
Don't like it?
GTFO and GB2WOW.
Personally I love the fact that I have to wait an entire month just to use something very high tech.
Granted... maybe the timers could be shortened just a tad.... but then again.... it would devalue the full worth of said thing.
Personally this entire proposal says one thing.... you lack patience... you have no maturity in such a thing... and your tired of waiting to level up your uber chacter.
Tough.... adapt or quit....
I love how everyone's argument falls into insults someone proclaiming yourself to be more "mature" just because you apparently can wait and I can't. I never said I could not wait, infact if the skill system were to stay the same I could care less. However, waiting is NOT fun, and no amount of BS that you spew at me can make me believe that you actually think that waiting is FUN. Waiting is inherently not fun, for you waiting is conveniant because you do not have free time.
The problem isn't that I do not have time to play the game, the problem is I do have time to play the game. Yet other then mining / running l3's for isk to buy items I can't even use ( I have a Abaddon sitting in my hanger that I won't even attempt to fly until the end of January). Sorry, waiting in this game isn't entertaining and it isn't fun. I'll wait of course, as I said before I've got every intention of playing this game for the next year or two. However, I will not be against a more active SP gain system on top of the system we currently have.
"YOU COMMIE BASTARDS WILL PAY!" - SoulinEther |
Nick Domani
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane I challange you all to give me one VALID reason, for why this shouldn't be implemented in some way or form?
OK, here's one:
Originally by: Sader Rykane I'm a power leveler and I admit that I would power level the **** out of myself given the oppurtunity in Eve Online.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Domani
Originally by: Sader Rykane I challange you all to give me one VALID reason, for why this shouldn't be implemented in some way or form?
OK, here's one:
Originally by: Sader Rykane I'm a power leveler and I admit that I would power level the **** out of myself given the oppurtunity in Eve Online.
Once again, why is this wrong? So apparently advancing your character more quickly through your own efforts is a bad thing?
"YOU COMMIE BASTARDS WILL PAY!" - SoulinEther |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 12/12/2008 18:54:06
Quote: I love how everyone's argument falls into insults someone proclaiming yourself to be more "mature" just because you apparently can wait and I can't. I never said I could not wait, infact if the skill system were to stay the same I could care less. However, waiting is NOT fun, and no amount of BS that you spew at me can make me believe that you actually think that waiting is FUN. Waiting is inherently not fun, for you waiting is conveniant because you do not have free time.
The problem isn't that I do not have time to play the game, the problem is I do have time to play the game. Yet other then mining / running l3's for isk to buy items I can't even use ( I have a Abaddon sitting in my hanger that I won't even attempt to fly until the end of January). Sorry, waiting in this game isn't entertaining and it isn't fun. I'll wait of course, as I said before I've got every intention of playing this game for the next year or two. However, I will not be against a more active SP gain system on top of the system we currently have.
Thank you for proving my point as far as maturity goes. /thumbs up
"Good things come to those who wait"
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:59:00 -
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I admit even I specified design against allowing power-grinding, but mostly because thats what all of eve's current players are used to. .. I admit that is very "keeping up with the jones's" of me.. Sader makes good points and introduces and represents a playstyle that is very unpopular in eve.
Question is then, should Sader be considered a valid player and a valid playstyle, or should he GB2WOW*? (*which isn't funny btw, you can stop that ****wit childish nonsense anytime now)
This is a unique discussion because its essentially opposed by people that, rather than being motivated by wanting something for themselves, instead are motivated by NOT wanting others to have something.
I suppose you'd run into the same problem in wow if you proposed a passive skill training system. "Hell no, earn it! GB2EVE!" Even though i'd be perfectly fine with people to passively gain experience in wow and also be able to earn it. Ditto for eve. But then again I'm in support of most things as long as it doesn't take away from the experience of others.
Saber, ironically your playstyle is fully supported as far as gaining isk and resources is concerned, but suggest the same idea for gaining isk and eve players will look at you like you're Jove or something. ___________________ Yes I'm bitter. (the taste you can see!)
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:00:00 -
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Drake you aren't mature and the fact that you even bring it up proves it.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 12/12/2008 19:16:34
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Thank you for proving my point as far as maturity goes. /thumbs up
"Good things come to those who wait"
And what of hard work, persistence and perserverance? These aren't traits that should be bear results? Being able to wait for months, weeks, and years at a time shouldn't be the only way to "reward" players.
"YOU COMMIE BASTARDS WILL PAY!" - SoulinEther |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO Drake you aren't mature and the fact that you even bring it up proves it.
I thought this thread was over and you weren't gonna post anymore?
Wrong thread... try reading.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Edited by: Sader Rykane on 12/12/2008 19:16:34
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Thank you for proving my point as far as maturity goes. /thumbs up
"Good things come to those who wait"
And what of hard work, persistence and perserverance? These aren't traits that should be bear results? Being able to wait for months, weeks, and years at a time shouldn't be the only way to "reward" players.
Largest time I've had to wait was no more than a month. Anything more than that.... your exaggerating and too lazy to switch your skills.
I do know that there's a great deal of discussion over a skill queue.
I dont know of a skill that takes a year... maybe doomsday weapon operation level 5? : O )
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Nick Domani
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Nick Domani
Originally by: Sader Rykane I challange you all to give me one VALID reason, for why this shouldn't be implemented in some way or form?
OK, here's one:
Originally by: Sader Rykane I'm a power leveler and I admit that I would power level the **** out of myself given the oppurtunity in Eve Online.
Once again, why is this wrong? So apparently advancing your character more quickly through your own efforts is a bad thing?
No, implementing a system that its proponents freely admit they will abuse is a bad thing.
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Domani
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Nick Domani
Originally by: Sader Rykane I challange you all to give me one VALID reason, for why this shouldn't be implemented in some way or form?
OK, here's one:
Originally by: Sader Rykane I'm a power leveler and I admit that I would power level the **** out of myself given the oppurtunity in Eve Online.
Once again, why is this wrong? So apparently advancing your character more quickly through your own efforts is a bad thing?
No, implementing a system that its proponents freely admit they will abuse is a bad thing.
If a system is being used as intended it isn't abuse. ___________________ Yes I'm bitter. (the taste you can see!)
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Sader Rykane Edited by: Sader Rykane on 12/12/2008 19:16:34
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Thank you for proving my point as far as maturity goes. /thumbs up
"Good things come to those who wait"
And what of hard work, persistence and perserverance? These aren't traits that should be bear results? Being able to wait for months, weeks, and years at a time shouldn't be the only way to "reward" players.
Largest time I've had to wait was no more than a month. Anything more than that.... your exaggerating and too lazy to switch your skills.
I do know that there's a great deal of discussion over a skill queue.
I dont know of a skill that takes a year... maybe doomsday weapon operation level 5? : O )
Do you honestly believe I was talking about one single skill taking years to train?
"YOU COMMIE BASTARDS WILL PAY!" - SoulinEther |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Domani
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Nick Domani
Originally by: Sader Rykane I challange you all to give me one VALID reason, for why this shouldn't be implemented in some way or form?
OK, here's one:
Originally by: Sader Rykane I'm a power leveler and I admit that I would power level the **** out of myself given the oppurtunity in Eve Online.
Once again, why is this wrong? So apparently advancing your character more quickly through your own efforts is a bad thing?
No, implementing a system that its proponents freely admit they will abuse is a bad thing.
So...Playing Eve activly in an effort to progress a toon faster = abuse?
"YOU COMMIE BASTARDS WILL PAY!" - SoulinEther |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:33:00 -
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You really are a one of a kind.... I'll give you that much.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis You really are a one of a kind.... I'll give you that much.
Instead of giving vague ambiguous statements how about you just answer the question.
"YOU COMMIE BASTARDS WILL PAY!" - SoulinEther |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.12 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 12/12/2008 21:15:38 Why should I answer a question about something YOU said yourself.
You said years.... I took it at face value.
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Jareck Hunter
Academy of Decadence Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.12.13 01:41:00 -
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Is anybody reading what is suggested here or are you just reading topic, going in and screaming "NO WOW!!!!! AHHH THE SKY WILL FALL!!!"
It's about getting a additional limited amount of SP while playing the game and not that you have to grind the game to gain any SP.
This could help newer players, or shorten the time of a LVL5 Skill. In the end it can benefit you for playing the game and not sitting around and watching a countdown. Cause of my Corp, i know lots of new players which have the problem that they are stucked with lvl3 Missions and waiting for a BS to progress a bit. They ask themselfe, why they should log in, they have enough money (and will get much more with lvl4) and are just waiting for the next step. Or Miners which are waiting for the Mining Barge skill to complete.
Still supported from my side. ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^
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Gabriel Heavenlost
Standing Rock Company United Rock Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.13 02:23:00 -
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I'd love to have something to do in EVE right now. I've mined till my eyes bled. I've run missions until the agents' text ran together in great torrents of Alphabet soup. I'm just so thankful I've got this list of skills to look at while i (patiently) count the seconds for the next several weeks. I'd love to be able to contribute something great, I mean something really memorable. Unfortunately I wasn't playing EVE when it launched so I'm stuck in the shadow of those who were until they get bored and quit....
....here's to hope. I support the idea.
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Nick Domani
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Posted - 2008.12.13 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane So...Playing Eve activly in an effort to progress a toon faster = abuse?
Hmm, I always thought the four asterisks in your original post meant something a bit more than 'actively,' especially when paired with 'out of myself.' In my more than 10 years playing MMOs, powerlevelers in other games don't 'play actively,' they stop playing anything other than those things that gain them levels. At their worst, they're AFK-scripting zombies...at their best, they're ATK-scripting zombies.
Either way, that counts as abuse. Maybe you don't do that, but then you'd completely fail at powerleveling the 'anything' out of yourself.
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HawkBunny
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Posted - 2008.12.13 03:20:00 -
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This would get people to play EvE more and we might even get a skill que. Since ccp is arguing with a skill que we wont log in to play.
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geomatica
Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Way to ruin the original concept of EVE. No!
THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.
Got it? No? As others said, you want EXP for killing rats? GB2WOW.
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Chochko
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Chochko on 15/12/2008 09:14:32 Mate do You think what will stay behind all of yours calculations? Do you have rough idea how much work lays behind such idea? How many tables have to be created and filled with information for each character? How many triggers need to be created, how many procedures? How much time will be lost in testing? Just to make happy someone who wants to grind for SP.
And yes - Old players can be matched with a single thing - specialization.
Also what will happen when someone fits on a ship things like this: 1 Lazor, 1 Hybrid turret, 1 Missile launcher, 1 Artilery, 1 MWD, Cap recharger, web, scrambler, painter, ecm, shield booster, Armor repair, dmg mod, etc etc.
And starts to grind SP - 1 ship 20 areas.
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Sean Drake
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.15 11:23:00 -
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Nope not going to happen as someone said this was pretty much how it used to work at launch was removed because it was being abused.
Yes this idea is not the same but given this is EvE I figure it would take a week tops for somone to work out how to exploit it in an unintened way.
If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
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Terra Mikael
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 12:00:00 -
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The fail in this thread is so utterly amazing.
I mean, we have adults (I assume) arguing that a game of internet spaceships is more mature because it involves waiting to fly moar "very high tech" stuffs via time and not effort. You can't make this **** up.
I mean, if irony was a screw driver, you'd be in the hospital getting it removed from your eye socket.
Just go in a corner and admit your a 35 year old man, who plays a woman online, wasting your time playing video games, a habit most responsible (and perhaps mature?) adults kicked in their teens, that you justify by admitting you don't have to actively play to level up. wait, not level up. skill up. That's a much more adulty word.
lol.
Seriously, like you didn't grind for your isk? Are you so dim that you don't see that just because you're not grinding for XP, doesn't mean you're not grinding for kill board stats, or ISK, or a new shiny internet spaceship?
Seriously, all you self-proclaimed mature adults who play video games, just listen to yourself. You sound like pathetic.
like failsticks said:
Originally by: Drake Draconis GTFO and GB2WOW.
Better yet, just gtfo and gimme your stuff. ________________________________
Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.15 12:13:00 -
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Haakelen
Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane I challange you all to give me one VALID reason, for why this shouldn't be implemented in some way or form?
Because the EVE skill training system is one the strongest parts of the game. I have my hangar of ships, kills/losses and my wallet as a result of my ingame actions, I don't need to get XP from shooting lasers.
Think of your pod as a computer. It doesn't get smarter by 2 x 2 = 4 a thousand trillion times (shooting your lasers), it gets better as you get better software for said computer (training your skills over RL time)
If we wanted a grind for XP MMO, we'd pay for a different one. Tough if that is not what you like, but this is EVE and this is how its done.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
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