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edeity	Posted - 2008.11.26 04:36:00 - [1] Hi, im a management consultant IRL, with experience in structured finance, banking and equities. I put together pitches and proposals for $USD10-100M deals all the time for really intangible things. Exactly what Eve investments would be. I make things real and by understanding what is needed by your audience to have confidence in your idea and then demonstrating WHY the confidence is warranted. Then I do some pretty diagrams about it all. Interested to see how these skills can translate into Eve. As per real world structured finance, happy to work for a number of remuneration options: - retainer of a regular fee (expensive, but if you do a lot of stuff all the time, worth it to you) - On success (I share in the risk of the initiatives capital raising, this will result in the highest of all possible fees payable to me compared to other options, but you dont need to pay me if it doesnt work out) - Upfront + On Success (lower share in upside, as some of my time risk is mitigated with an upfront payment) - Equity position (I will only consider this if I have a substantive, trusted relationship with you) - Time & Materials - you just pay me an hourly rate. Boring but you can control your spend and cancel if you dont think its going the way you want. Send me ingame mail and happy to do a voice chat.
Frenden Dax	Posted - 2008.11.26 04:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Frenden Dax on 26/11/2008 04:57:44 unleashes grammar Nazi When you forget both capitalization and an apostrophe in the second word of your post, it doesn't really inspire confidence. Plus your sentence structure is kind of wierd: for example, "real and by understanding" doesn't make sense. This is an interesting idea but I'm not sure it'll work; MD investment tends to go on the basis of reputation and audits, not fancily worded proposals. It seems almost as if you're trying to become an auditor, which is a bit different from someone putting a spin on a proposal. edit: word filter ate some of the post.
ofstrife	Posted - 2008.11.26 05:09:00 - [3] I'll put this bluntly. You're not going to make a lot of money doing this. Coupled with the sloppy grammar errors and typos above (you of all people should understand how that stuff works), I believe the demand for this is going to be low, sinking your chances of making much money doing this. If you can't put together a good proposal about your IPO idea, you haven't put enough thought into it. Paying you to make it spiffy looking isn't going to get them any more money than they would have otherwise. Also, I think that sentence was supposed to have an extra comma in it at the beginning, but the rest of the sentence is garbage too.
edeity	Posted - 2008.11.27 03:46:00 - [4] Heh, yeah reading it again, the sentence is poor and the grammar could do with some polish. TBH im not really trying hard to pitch here, Im almost certain its a waste of time, but curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things. Typically this skill set is not viewed as needed to make proposals happen, because whats seen as important is the idea. If you realise you need these skills, people like me are out here. If your successful doing it yourself, all power to you.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.11.27 04:01:00 - [5] Originally by: edeity curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things. I would say yes. I know for a fact as I myself have helped people in this regard. Hexxx started his reputation in this area. So if you are wondering if Eve's market has matured that much... yes, many years ago. However I would say that you are clearly not mature enough to provide such service(s) even if you are going to school for doing so. Your word choices displays your ignorance and snobbery for those "who do". I'd suggest realizing that Eve is a brutal marketplace that rarely has time for people whose contribution is purely in the realm of "non-productive"/"advisory" capacities. REMF's/armchair quarterbacks don't survive long here. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Zeimanov Kalzumaan Caldari Haruspex Industries	Posted - 2008.11.27 12:42:00 - [6] Originally by: edeity Heh, yeah reading it again, the sentence is poor and the grammar could do with some polish. TBH im not really trying hard to pitch here, Im almost certain its a waste of time, but curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things. If the poor spelling and grammer of the original post put a nail in the coffin of this idea, that post just held a mass, buried it and organised the wake. Suggesting that the market might be too primative for your expert services has in a single stroke announced that: a) there s no value to what you are offering b) you are more of a spin doctor than of any actual use. Look at the successful IPO's that have been launched. These succeed because the numbers work and appropriate safeguards are in place. Your "pretty diagrams" will not change either of those. You are in fact offering very little of substance - and some of your payment options are ludicrous - who is going to fund a company where part of the equity or finance raised is going into the pocket of a third part that contributes nothing to the management or funding of the company?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.27 15:03:00 - [7] Originally by: edeity Hi, im a management consultant IRL, with experience in structured finance, banking and equities. I put together pitches and proposals for $USD10-100M deals all the time for really intangible things. Exactly what Eve investments would be. I make things real and by understanding what is needed by your audience to have confidence in your idea and then demonstrating WHY the confidence is warranted. Then I do some pretty diagrams about it all. Interested to see how these skills can translate into Eve. As per real world structured finance, happy to work for a number of remuneration options: - retainer of a regular fee (expensive, but if you do a lot of stuff all the time, worth it to you) - On success (I share in the risk of the initiatives capital raising, this will result in the highest of all possible fees payable to me compared to other options, but you dont need to pay me if it doesnt work out) - Upfront + On Success (lower share in upside, as some of my time risk is mitigated with an upfront payment) - Equity position (I will only consider this if I have a substantive, trusted relationship with you) - Time & Materials - you just pay me an hourly rate. Boring but you can control your spend and cancel if you dont think its going the way you want. Send me ingame mail and happy to do a voice chat. Heh. I've already been involved with this for some time. You can read up on my template, my writings on defining differing financial instruments in EVE, my work in shaping Banks in EVE (directly in EBANK as Chairman of the Board, indirectly in DBANK as an advisor), my consulting work on some of the most recognized IPO's in EVE, and my trading/business workshops (google HEXXX.RAR). Also, I work for the largest of the Big 4 accounting firms in the US (and the largest in the world). Deloitte recently lost 100 million in audit contracts due to independence violations as a byproduct of consolidations and acquisitions in the financial sector. My firm picked them up, place them quite comfortably at #1. I do work in the advisory arm of my Firm, and while I may not work for Baine or some of the other "pure" advisory Firms, I was the youngest faculty member of the Business School at my University (ranked in the top 20 public business schools in the US). I began giving guest lectures on business and technology at the business school when I was still in my undergraduate program. I've also served as an associate instructor in organizational informatics and spoken on intellectual property law. I am your competition. Good luck. EBANK Staff \| www.eve-bank.net
Mei Shin Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.27 17:38:00 - [8] I reserve the rights to sell popcorn and other snack for this thread. I sense there will be a high entertainment value of this thread before it ends in a cry of drama. To the OP. I see what you are trying to do. It's a sneaky way of trying to sell solar powered tanning beds to people in sahara. --- In your quantum box.. Maybe...
Redbad Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:45:00 - [9] Hi, I'm the one that hires guys like you and Hexxx in RL to sort out the mess I make. /me orders popcorn.
Adrian Proteus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:51:00 - [10] While you may have a place in RL, I think your service isn't that needed in Eve. Let's face it, in the end (and I mean this as respectfully as one can) what you are proposing is the occupation of Professional Bull**** Salesman. /also buys popcorn "If you're hands aren't bleeding, you're not working hard enough." - Caladari Work Ethic
Emywn Vanya Caldari Redemption or Retribution Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 18:56:00 - [11] I think the show's over... Hexxx won. ----------------------- The answer is 42
Damien Jax Chaos Faction	Posted - 2008.11.28 20:18:00 - [12] Hexx, do you have any job openings? :D I'm looking to get into some kind of advisory or running an EVE business as well soon. In real life, I have a degree in personal financial planning as well as corporate finance. I currently work in accounting for a transportation company. I'm still young, so I've got time to be as awesome as Hexx! lol
Dennmoth Ferdier Scoopex	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:00:00 - [13] Ferdier smells a well camo'd sniff of a scam and some bold ego-stroking in this thread. He is amused. Put me up for some of that popcorn. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Psychotic Penguin Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2008.11.29 03:20:00 - [14] Hexxx you shot him down too early, the fun didn't even get properly started. ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.11.29 03:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Emywn Vanya I think the show's over... Hexxx won. Yup, Hexxx won the toy. Black Sun Empire
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.11.29 04:34:00 - [16] Originally by: edeity Heh, yeah reading it again, the sentence is poor and the grammar could do with some polish. TBH im not really trying hard to pitch here, Im almost certain its a waste of time, but curious to see if there are people looking for advisory skill sets to make things happen. It's a sign of maturity in a market that this is seen as valuable. Primative market just needs primary producers, people who "do" things. Typically this skill set is not viewed as needed to make proposals happen, because whats seen as important is the idea. If you realise you need these skills, people like me are out here. If your successful doing it yourself, all power to you. Your not trying hard to pitch, therefore no one will take you seriously. In RL if you showed up and presented to a company and didn't put much preparation or effort into it, do you think you would get the business? Well same rules apply here too. But hey, thx for wasting my reading time though!
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.29 05:14:00 - [17] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Emywn Vanya I think the show's over... Hexxx won. Yup, Hexxx won the toy. Hooray for toys? EBANK Staff \| www.eve-bank.net
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.29 05:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Damien Jax Hexx, do you have any job openings? :D I'm looking to get into some kind of advisory or running an EVE business as well soon. In real life, I have a degree in personal financial planning as well as corporate finance. I currently work in accounting for a transportation company. I'm still young, so I've got time to be as awesome as Hexx! lol I'm happy to talk to people whenever on MSN. =) Free advice just for IMing me! EBANK Staff \| www.eve-bank.net
edeity	Posted - 2008.12.09 04:41:00 - [19] bad spelling because im at work and not taking time to check it. not studying, most eve players tend to actually be older than most mmo's i notice. easy to shoot down someone posting something, a lot of that happens, easiest one is spelling. But in the end, has your position improved? upside doesn't appear to exist to push through the resistance. my intent will be to watch and learn more about the market at this stage. I'm still reasonably new to the game, and there is depth here. Thanks for the comment about maturity, my high school age daughter is amused. the comment about how pitched has some merit, except im offering an approach that is genuine, with genuine potential value. In prisoners dilemna (particularly applicable to 0.0 so therefore ingrained in eve players mind as only way to interact with people i suspect) you are always better off playing mean rather than nice unless you really really trust someone and will have a never ending relationship. Instead, attempt here is to offer an altruistic value offering, so no matter how mean you get, the value on offer is still there. Your comment about approach i used applies if you dont know or trust me or have a reason to talk to me. Congratulations. Flip side is it's not worth while for me to go to the effort for another approach. So the value is only there if you can see it, which you can't, so it's not. and im bored. enjoy the popcorn. I'll try post some more rambling when i get motivated later.
Amarr Citizen 155 Tleilex Developments	Posted - 2008.12.09 05:26:00 - [20] The only issue I have is that this was your first chance to show your intelligence and you didn't. Spelling/grammar are easily set aside if you are someone like me who doesn't claim to be anything special. You sound like a bad car salesman. I have an undergrad in business and I'm working on my graduate degree in education. I'm a teacher IRL at a vocational school with experience in internet technologies (ISP's) and in technology in banking (information systems). I do consulting work for 3-5 local medical offices when I have spare time. I've never closed any big deals or sold any bridges to anyone. I'm married and have a 9 month old daughter. See what I did there? I was honest and I didn't sound like I was full of **. Quote:** Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.12.09 05:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 The only issue I have is that this was your first chance to show your intelligence and you didn't. Spelling/grammar are easily set aside if you are someone like me who doesn't claim to be anything special. You sound like a bad car salesman. I have an undergrad in business and I'm working on my graduate degree in education. I'm a teacher IRL at a vocational school with experience in internet technologies (ISP's) and in technology in banking (information systems). I do consulting work for 3-5 local medical offices when I have spare time. I've never closed any big deals or sold any bridges to anyone. I'm married and have a 9 month old daughter. See what I did there? I was honest and I didn't sound like I was full of ****. confirming i am the 9 month old daughter -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.12.09 05:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Brock Nelson on 09/12/2008 05:53:13 Your high school age daughter should know how to do better grammar than her own father. I bet that's the part she found amusing eh? 10% for Returning Customers
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.12.09 06:48:00 - [23] I don't have any real degree's and I am still freakin awesome
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.12.09 07:20:00 - [24] What's the average age of the people in this thread 30 ?
Ricdics Tleilex Developments	Posted - 2008.12.09 07:23:00 - [25] I am 26 and I think Hexxx is only 27
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.12.09 07:30:00 - [26] I'm really dragging the average down at 21. I'm barely old enough to drink though I've been told my rapidly thinning hair, mid-life-crisis-esque muscle car and predilection towards long technical discussions about nuclear reactors gives me the air of someone no less than 40.
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.12.09 07:58:00 - [27] Hmmm, with my age the average is 28 so far.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.12.09 07:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Kwint Sommer I'm really dragging the average down at 21. dont worry I balance you out at 36 -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.12.09 08:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Kwint Sommer I'm really dragging the average down at 21. dont worry I balance you out at 36 Only to be dragged down with 21 again.
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.12.09 12:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Frenden Dax Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Kwint Sommer I'm really dragging the average down at 21. dont worry I balance you out at 36 Only to be dragged down with 21 again. I'll see your 21 and raise you 38.

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