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Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:03:00 - [1] Of course by the time I'm finished training for this ship, things will most likely have changed, but I'm bored and decided to play in EFT a little. This setup should be able to orbit any sub-BS target at 15km without being targeted and scramble from up to 16.2km away with Recon Ships IV. It does just over 210 dps, nothing to brag about but not completely useless. [Lachesis, Lachesis] Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Warp Scrambler II Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Caste Ling	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:07:00 - [2] That's a surprising amount of dps (to me), makes me want it, I have no missile skills currently. . . curious how much training I'd need to be solid.
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Caste Ling That's a surprising amount of dps (to me), makes me want it, I have no missile skills currently. . . curious how much training I'd need to be solid. I was using my skill set with the DPS, and I have practically zero missile skills. Will all skills V it gets just under 270 dps. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Caste Ling	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:10:00 - [4] Hm, next worry would then be if a cheaper ship could do a similar job. I'd be afraid of flying out in a recon without a cloaking device.
Arno Villanova Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Caste Ling That's a surprising amount of dps (to me), makes me want it, I have no missile skills currently. . . curious how much training I'd need to be solid. Nice setup, but not for solo play LOL.
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Caste Ling Hm, next worry would then be if a cheaper ship could do a similar job. I'd be afraid of flying out in a recon without a cloaking device. I guess you could try it in a Celestis... With my skills, 170 dps and 18km optimal. Should be able to dampen most targets to around 15-20km max lock. The scram range bonus is what really makes the Lachesis imo, this setup would have a lot of trouble keeping range. [Celestis, Celestis] Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening 200mm Carbide Railgun I, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 200mm Carbide Railgun I, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M 200mm Carbide Railgun I, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:17:00 - [7] i fly the celestis and all variants with blasters, anybody else? "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:19:00 - [8] Edited by: Dyaven on 01/12/2008 01:18:53 Originally by: Vanthropy i fly the celestis and all variants with blasters, anybody else? Erm, how does that work exactly? You can't fight past ~8km reliably even with T2 guns and ammo, and you can't dampen anyone that low. And if you just plan on picking them off with your subpar DPS before they can lock on, sounds interesting, but does it work? It should take another cruiser like 30 seconds to lock you with lock time scripts. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Caste Ling	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:45:00 - [9] Scan resolution dampening ftw.
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 01:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Caste Ling Scan resolution dampening ftw. Only problem I see with Scan Res dampening is that if they lock you first your ***ed... ===== Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout

Prometheus Exenthal Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:07:00 - [11] Edited by: Prometheus Exenthal on 01/12/2008 02:10:40 This is the setup I'm training towards. Designed for solo work, mainly belt piracy. 401(448) EFT DPS, will damp most things below 18km (scram range), and is cap stable with the MWD off. May swap the ECCM for an injector, but there are alot of Falcon*s around, and I'm going to abuse my high sensor strength. Still a paper tiger though [Lachesis, Yarr...Solo] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Inverted Signal Field Projector I Inverted Signal Field Projector I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Oh and the Celestis variant [Celestis, soggy] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 - FRIGANK\|FRIGANK 2**
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:18:00 - [12] With EFT set to all skills V, I only get 388 DPS out of that setup. O_o ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Prometheus Exenthal Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:35:00 - [13] Edited by: Prometheus Exenthal on 01/12/2008 02:35:07 Originally by: Dyaven With EFT set to all skills V, I only get 388 DPS out of that setup. O_o IIRC EFT doesnt import drones (or just has them off. - FRIGANK\|FRIGANK 2
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 02:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal Edited by: Prometheus Exenthal on 01/12/2008 02:35:07 Originally by: Dyaven With EFT set to all skills V, I only get 388 DPS out of that setup. O_o IIRC EFT doesnt import drones (or just has them off. Naw, I turned them on. It's because I have "Include Reload Time in DPS" checked. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:40:00 - [15] Solo Lach setup: [Lachesis, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive True Sansha Warp Scrambler True Sansha Stasis Webifier Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Widowmaker Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Widowmaker Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Widowmaker Heavy Missile 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge S Bay Loading Accelerator I Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Hammerhead II x4 Almost 1400m/sec, cap stable with everything running + injector and 800s. I know the 150s look a little weird, but the main DPS is from the launchers. Only does 306 DPS, but with the tunable launcher damage type it is very effective. Faction web and scram can keep a target at distance pretty much indefinitely. 3x damps will drop most smaller ships down to less than 12-13km lock range easily, and larger targets down below 20km. The web is there for any afterburner users, or if they're trying to get back to the gate. Plate, rep and explosive hardener are actually practical to use in conjunction with the cap booster. This is very handy when you get drone aggro, so you don't have to bug out right away. Setup is pretty lethal to any smallish solo ship. Particularly if they're off of a gate/station. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 03:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Bellum's Setup Hum, interesting. How expensive are the faction scrambler and webifier? Would the setup be viable without them? ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.12.01 04:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Bellum Eternus Bellum's Setup Hum, interesting. How expensive are the faction scrambler and webifier? Would the setup be viable without them? wut range u get with the faction web? sounds like it might be iffy if my pilgrim came after it. --------------------------------------------- I may be a bit over Zealot, but i cant help myself, its the best investment i ever made!
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 04:05:00 - [18] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Bellum Eternus Bellum's Setup Hum, interesting. How expensive are the faction scrambler and webifier? Would the setup be viable without them? wut range u get with the faction web? sounds like it might be iffy if my pilgrim came after it. 15km is the base range of the web I believe, unless you meant the scram since that's what the Arazu gets a bonus for, which would be 19.8km with Recon Ships IV. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.12.01 04:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Bellum Eternus Bellum's Setup Hum, interesting. How expensive are the faction scrambler and webifier? Would the setup be viable without them? wut range u get with the faction web? sounds like it might be iffy if my pilgrim came after it. 15km is the base range of the web I believe, unless you meant the scram since that's what the Arazu gets a bonus for, which would be 19.8km with Recon Ships IV. hmm.... might be interesting.... the web range would be enuff, but it would kinda depend on who's cap charges lasted i think.... my pilgrim uses an AB btw. --------------------------------------------- I may be a bit over Zealot, but i cant help myself, its the best investment i ever made!
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 05:03:00 - [20] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson hmm.... might be interesting.... the web range would be enuff, but it would kinda depend on who's cap charges lasted i think.... my pilgrim uses an AB btw. edit: forgot ur setup was the one not using them. however, u aint stable wiht the MWD, so idk if you could keep range or not... like i said, might be interesting. Bellum's setup is actually stable running everything. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout

Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 05:13:00 - [21] WAITAMINUTE. What if... Scan Res scripts + ECM drones? Gimp your dps, but 4 Vespa EC-600's should have around a ~30%-40% jam chance on a Cruiser I think, and every time your target gets jammed he has to wait 30 seconds before he can lock you again. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:12:00 - [22] Bump ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Dyaven Edited by: Dyaven on 01/12/2008 06:24:06 WAITAMINUTE. What if... Scan Res scripts + ECM drones? Gimp your dps, but 4 Vespa EC-600's should have around a ~30%-40% jam chance on a Cruiser I think, and every time your target gets jammed he has to wait 30 seconds before he can lock you again. Tested this out against a HAC (Deimos) in EFT. Gets around 210 DPS. Would take the Deimos ~25 seconds to lock you, and you have a ~50% jam chance on him. [Lachesis, Lachesis] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator ECM - Multispectral Jammer II Anode Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Anode Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Anode Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M E50 Prototype Energy Vampire SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hornet EC-300 x2 Vespa EC-600 x3 Ditch multispec imo on nonbonused ship its lol anyways, insert cap booster or uhm yeah i have no idea sounds good atleast.
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:25:00 - [24] The multispec adds around 12% jam chance. Dunno what else to put there, a 4th Dampener is practically useless due to stacking nerfs and it's cap stable without boosters so no need for those. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 13:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Dyaven The multispec adds around 12% jam chance. Dunno what else to put there, a 4th Dampener is practically useless due to stacking nerfs and it's cap stable without boosters so no need for those. Shield tank?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.02 10:02:00 - [26] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson <stuff clipped due to pyramid quoting issues> Some quick answers: Faction web goes for about 65-70m for a cheap one, there's a TON on the market right now. Faction 2pt scram goes for about 40-50m depending. IMO the faction items are critical to it's success simply due to the HORRIBLE PERFORMANCE of damps. If they didn't suck ass, you could use regular T2 and just get closer, but damps are sh#t so you have to absolutely max your setup in order for it to even have a chance of working. The setup is waaay cap stable, running everything. The web is only there to keep people from ABing back to the gate. Otherwise you'll very easily be able to dictate range with your MWD, and their MWD will be dead if they're running one, and an AB won't be enough to catch you regardless. Additionally, you'll be able to web them much further out than they will be able to web you (probably), so it's an added measure of safety. Again, this is good for killing solo targets. Multiple targets and you're totally screwed. Range on scram is 22km w/o overheat, something like 24km with overheat. Web is like 15km/18.9km respectively. You could switch to a Gallente Navy web, for more strength (lol?) and less cost, but with damps being as horrible as they are, you may need that one extra Km to keep out of lock range. You never know. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:30:00 - [27] [Lachesis, Gate Camping Hoe] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Signal Amplifier II Warp Scrambler II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Core Defence Field Extender I Targeting System Subcontroller I Hammerhead II x4
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: Dyaven The multispec adds around 12% jam chance. Dunno what else to put there, a 4th Dampener is practically useless due to stacking nerfs and it's cap stable without boosters so no need for those. Shield tank? Tracking disruptor?
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Dasalt Istgut on 02/12/2008 13:04:27 [Lachesis, Gankier Gate Camper] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Warp Scrambler II Warp Disruptor II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 Dropped the web in favor of more gank and tank. 30k EHP, 350 DPS. Still going to have trouble with drones though, which is why I don't really recommend taking these things out solo. Can't take a **** these days without splashing on an ishtar.
Rainsdon Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.12.02 17:24:00 - [30] [Lachesis, Bat Sh*t insane theory] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Reactive Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Stasis Webifier II Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Warp Disruptor II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 Looking at around 350 DPS with 25k EHP. Know your tactics well and this thing is a HAC killer. _________________________________________________________



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