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Felysta Sandorn
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 12:38:00 -
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Neither my 55mil SP main, nor my 40mil SP alt have the 'Armor Tanking' Elite certification, because it needs Shield Management 5...
Why?
Similarly I need Shield Management 4 to get the 'Gallente Military - Soldier' and 'Amarr Military - Soldier' certifications... Seriously? Why? Unless we're encouraging shield-buffer-tank-nano-Ishtars here, this needs a change.
Please take a look at these certs.
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Herz Ing
The Fraternity
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 14:06:00 -
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Signed.
To be honest, I'm not really into certificates. However, having looked through them somewhat I would agree that many certificates ought to be redesigned/reconsidered.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.12.02 15:29:00 -
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To get the "elite" certificates you need to have maxed your skills. And since training Shield Man V increases an armour-tanker's tank, it makes perfect sense that it's a prerequisite.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.02 15:33:00 -
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There are numerous missing certs IMHO
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:23:00 -
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Once I learned that certs don't do anything I stopped caring.
I agree with you but I don't think that certs are important enough to even be recognized by players as it would be a complete waste of developer resources.
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
I agree with you but I don't think that certs are important enough to even be recognized by players as it would be a complete waste of developer resources.
This tbh
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:46:00 -
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They are a waste of time to people who have played EVE long enough to not care.
Those who are new to the game however can use it as a reference point/guideline for getting them started on the right track.... then eventually going off on there own planned routes.
But you didn't think of that did you.
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:55:00 -
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The new player experience is a total piece of crap, no additional skill training guide is going to change that.
Durr go kill these no-AI NPCs by yourself or fill this 250m3 frigate full of veldspar by yourself!
By the way, certificates!
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Eve is still for the hardcore gamer. And by hardcore I mean, you have to try to like it. Certificates do not add value to eve customer base.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:32:00 -
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Amen, certs are horrible (this as a 4 month character). I cringed when I heard that CCP may base their skill queue on certificates...
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2008.12.02 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Once I learned that certs don't do anything I stopped caring.
I agree with you but I don't think that certs are important enough to even be recognized by players as it would be a complete waste of developer resources.
This, every line of code on certs are a complete waste, hell, I should not even have posted this.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.02 22:01:00 -
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T.T;;;
Yes.... lets assume each and every noob who plays this game for the first few weeks just yells yar and kills every AI pirate in sight.
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.12.03 01:10:00 -
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Felysta Sandorn
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.05 01:52:00 -
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I agree that certs are a waste of development resources as well, but surely it's the content guys that decided "Hey, I think you should have Shield Management 5 as an armour tanker!"... Even if it's low on the priorities list, it's just plain wrong and confusing! Imagine a nub starting the game thinking "Right, so I'm going to Armour tank... I need Hull Upgrades and Shield Management..." How does that make sense? Seriously?
But yeah, certs are a complete waste of time, so ignore this topic and hurry up with the multi-skill-training feature, kthxbye.
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zeur femmefatale
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Posted - 2008.12.05 16:59:00 -
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I have mixed feelings about the worth of certifications.
As a player in continuous training, I felt the certs help to organize my training efforts and reduced the amount of research I had to do independently to determine skill paths. So in that respect I like them.
On the flip side I feel some of the weightings are abit off balance.. For example requiring a level 5 shield ops to obtain what appears to be a level 2 cert. Also, I am confuddled why we have 5 skill levels to excellence and in the cert world only 4.
I trust the game authors have a master plan in mind which is fine with me.
Personally I pick and choose what I want from the guides (as I consider them) and pay no mind to obtaining certs. So Zeur is neutral.
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Kordel Trask
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Posted - 2008.12.05 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
I agree with you but I don't think that certs are important enough to even be recognized by players as it would be a complete waste of developer resources.
This tbh
Mayby I didn't quite understand the meaning behind this?
Probably not to far from the truth. 
but if:
"..recognized by players as it would be a complete waste of developer resources"
If they are not important for players and a waste of developer resources, why were certs put in the game to begin with?
Again, Mayby I just didn't understand what was being said here.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:06:00 -
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Shield Management = More Shields
More Shields = More Armour
This is not very hard, especially as it's not a very long skill to train!
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Felysta Sandorn
But yeah, certs are a complete waste of time.
So you decide to make a thread about removing a requirement in a system you find worthelss
Originally by: Gypsio III
To get the "elite" certificates you need to have maxed your skills. And since training Shield Man V increases an armour-tanker's tank, it makes perfect sense that it's a prerequisite.
This is exactly the point.
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Idaeus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.06 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kordel Trask
If they are not important for players and a waste of developer resources, why were certs put in the game to begin with?
Why indeed, for they were of waste of developer resources and they really aren't that important.
The only reason they were put in is so people can get their banana stickers.
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Doc Iridium
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.06 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
They are a waste of time to people who have played EVE long enough to not care.
Those who are new to the game however can use it as a reference point/guideline for getting them started on the right track.... then eventually going off on there own planned routes.
But you didn't think of that did you.
: O )
Err, but when the certificates point you in a completely meaningless direction, how does that benefit a youngster?
As an Amarr pilot, the shields on my ship are meaningless for PVE, and barely worth considering in PVP. However the presence of these skills, prominently, in the armor tanking tree might give a new Amarr pilot the impression that shield skills would be useful to them, when with very few exceptions, they will actually be almost useless.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.07 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Shield Management = More Shields
More Shields = More Armour
This is not very hard, especially as it's not a very long skill to train!
Precisely.
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Terra Mikael
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2008.12.07 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 07/12/2008 07:20:44
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Shield Management = More Shields
More Shields = More Armour
This is not very hard, especially as it's not a very long skill to train!
Precisely.
I'm sorry, but let me clarify something.
1)Certificates are useless, anyway, but I post this for clarification.
2)The cert is called "Armor tanking, Elite"
3)The requirements in a nutshell are:
->a)Hull upgrades V
->b)Mechanic V
->c)Repair systems V
->d)Armor comp skills V
->e)Shield Management V
So, since the supposed purpose of certs are to help numb-nut newbies sort their way through an already staggering array of skills, why would maxing a shield skill make any sense at all in a cert called armor tanking.
Shield users have the same problem. Take passive shield elite cert - why would you need hull upgrades V and mechanic V for shield tankers? I could run a perfect passive tank (and have) without these.
Besides the few folks who somehow don't realize how shield skills under an armor cert makes no sense whatsoever, The main problem here stems from one cert, which should be scrapped because of redundancy:
Core integrity.
Another one that should be tossed is the core competency, which is completely redundant.
To be honest, The cert system is a waste of time, but if its to stay in game, at least clean up this piece of junk and make it consistent.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.12.07 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Steele on 07/12/2008 17:04:16
I'd agree with the OP that the cert system could do with some more effort. Now it's in-game, there appear to both useful certs missing + some mis-guided certs.
Eg. The cartography certs require hacking. Surely it would make more sense to call it an "exploration" cert. etc. etc.
On top of all that, (and maybe I'm mistaken), but there isn't an option to request specific certs in the corp job advertisement section, which IMO would be a great use for Certs - both for people applying and corps with vacancies.
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Sarin Adler
SPANI
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.08 03:38:00 -
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It's not up to CSM to decide what's worth CCP's effort, they just have to rise issues. Even if certs are useless they must be fixed, some of them are plain ridicolous and need a deep re-examination.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.08 14:31:00 -
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The irony is, a year ago when certificates were probably first thought of, I remember reading advice from those who engaged in solo PvP in high-sec & low-sec to train Hull Upgrades, Shield Management, and Mechanic all to level 5 for those occasions you'd find you won the fight by 2% structure.
Of course, since solo is apparently dead now and most posting here are no doubt involved in blob warfare, it doesn't seem to have occurred to anyone this might be where it came from.
To put it in simple terms, more hitpoints = more tank. If I'm going to be 'elite' in tanking, a few more hitpoints in shields might just make a difference. Of course, in the vast majority of cases it won't, but then individual skills are completely irrelevant in the vast majority of cases due to numbers & focus fire.
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