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Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.10 16:01:00 -
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Stealth Bomber for 0.0 work. Squad of 4x Manticores Fit EXACTLY the same.
Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power core
Ballistic Deflection Field II Invulnerability Field II (you can sacrifice the omni tank for a second ballistic deflection if you don't have thermodynamics) Medium F-S9 Regolith Medium Shield Extender (named for grid) Medium Shield Extender II
Bomb Launcher I (concussion bomb) Improved Cloaking Device II
Anti-EM Screen Anti-Kinetic Screen
Relatively Cheap Fit for a Stealth bomber.
Overloading the hardeners gets you >33,000 effective HP vs kinetic damage 4x Kinetic Bombs will do about 32,000 damage. To be on the safe side this would be best done with 3x bombers for a 24,000 damage strike.
I left the invul on as some kind of an omni tank incase you come under fire from non-kinetic damage. You could just focus on kinetic resisting - maybe go up to 4x bombers.
Getting out to avoid getting popped by your own bombs isn't as much of a concern.
Thoughts on the tanked out bomber?
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Rainson Arrvax
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.10 16:05:00 -
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Summarizing 40 posts on Bombers...all SB fits=FAIL. ;-)
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Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.10 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rainson Arrvax Summarizing 40 posts on Bombers...all SB fits=FAIL. ;-)
This was trying to address the issue of popping yourself with your own bombs.
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Neyro7830
Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 16:53:00 -
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I like it... but wouldn't it be more fun if w/ 3x Cruise launchers and going toe-to-toe with a frigate? :O ___ I cannot be held responsible for the above post, because apparently,my cat has learned to type. :3 |
Max Hardcase
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 18:30:00 -
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They key to not popping to your own bombs are agility/speed mods and a good afterburner.
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.10 18:56:00 -
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Bomb launcher t2 cloak
3 kin res t2 mwd
2 wcs
The whole deal w/ bombers is LIVING untill your bomb detonates, get podded before the countdown and its all for nothing. The real killers when bombing large fleets are their intys/fast lockers. On a fleet of say 50, you'll get half a dozen or more fast lockers (gatecamps ect). The wcs make it so 3 have to put points on you,hard to do before you can warp to your ON GRID SS if you launch and warp right away. Being aligned to your SS makes you almost impossible to kill ( even tho ive died 20 times in bombers)lol.. Packs of 4 bombers will put even BS's in danger of poping if you can get all bombs on target..
The mwd should NEVER be used after launch unless its a last resort, the increase in sig rad will insta pop you, I use it for jumping into hostile camps, pump it, hit cloak ( 2k cloaked for the cycle ), very hard to catch you. Its also good for warping to an off grid SS and mwd'n ongrid and cloaking, can move a whole squad into position after first launch depending on the size of the camp (and whats left of it after your first launch).
If you do get caught in bombs blast with this setup (mwd off) I take about 140 damage from my bomb (8k gross), worst case you can take a few hits. DONT USE sheild extenders, DONT USE ANYTHING that makes sig rad go up, agility mods ect. The OP's fit would insta pop if caught in even one bombs blast. Launch, GTFO.. hope your buddies do the same... repeat
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.12.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Neyro7830 I like it... but wouldn't it be more fun if w/ 3x Cruise launchers and going toe-to-toe with a frigate? :O
Post-QR an entire volley of missiles to anything but a stationary frigate will do all of 50 damage.
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.10 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Max Hardcase They key to not popping to your own bombs are agility/speed mods and a good afterburner.
Agility mods increase sig rad, no good.. The key to not popping to your own bombs is either not being there when they blow, or having high res to the damage and the smallest sig rad possible.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 19:49:00 -
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Nanofiber / agility rig
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MyOwnSling
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: MyOwnSling on 10/12/2008 20:05:49
Originally by: Adaera
Originally by: Neyro7830 I like it... but wouldn't it be more fun if w/ 3x Cruise launchers and going toe-to-toe with a frigate? :O
Post-QR an entire volley of missiles to anything but a stationary frigate will do all of 50 damage.
Just the other day I hit a moving frigate for over 100 per missile. Not sure where you're getting this.
Edit: He was using an AB, not a mwd. ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Max Hardcase Nanofiber / agility rig
Hmmmm, the agility rig just nerfs armor amount, I might try that, I usually dont put rigs in bombers. As for the nanofiber, I'll stick with the WCS, GTFO is job number one for these paper tigers
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Adaera on 10/12/2008 21:25:40
Originally by: MyOwnSling Edited by: MyOwnSling on 10/12/2008 20:05:49
Originally by: Adaera
Originally by: Neyro7830 I like it... but wouldn't it be more fun if w/ 3x Cruise launchers and going toe-to-toe with a frigate? :O
Post-QR an entire volley of missiles to anything but a stationary frigate will do all of 50 damage.
Just the other day I hit a moving frigate for over 100 per missile. Not sure where you're getting this.
Edit: He was using an AB, not a mwd.
Getting that from a test I did with a friend vs my merlin, entire volley with me going 800m/s-ish did 90.7 damage. I'd dig up the screenshot but imageshack is being a huge pain for me lately and never seems to load. I think it's safe to say that you've probably got better support skills than him, but it's still quite a drop from the 700ish+ pre-patch.
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:46:00 -
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I wonder what it would be with 3 painters on him?
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: JVol I wonder what it would be with 3 painters on him?
Painters don't do much. Most frigates are well within a stealth bombers explosion radius anyway.
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Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: JVol The OP's fit would insta pop if caught in even one bombs blast. Launch, GTFO.. hope your buddies do the same... repeat
Plug in my fit in eft.
Use a kinetic damage profile.
See effective HP.
See damage of 1 kinetic bomb.
Notice lack of insta-poppage.
If you're going to trash my setup, at least look at it yourself carefully before jumping to conclusions.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Adaera
Originally by: JVol I wonder what it would be with 3 painters on him?
Painters don't do much. Most frigates are well within a stealth bombers explosion radius anyway.
Sigradius is in both terms of the missile dmg formula, so they will have an effect. ( web still better ofcourse).
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: JVol The OP's fit would insta pop if caught in even one bombs blast. Launch, GTFO.. hope your buddies do the same... repeat
Plug in my fit in eft.
Use a kinetic damage profile.
See effective HP.
See damage of 1 kinetic bomb.
Notice lack of insta-poppage.
If you're going to trash my setup, at least look at it yourself carefully before jumping to conclusions.
Sorry to burst your EFT uberness bubble, but in the REAL game, in ACTUAL combat, your setup will instapop, not an 'eft theory'. I started testing when bombs first came out, in many setups, some just like yours, I instapoped myself, a few times... Let me know when you get the setup on tranq and use it, or better yet.. Head over to pf-346 with it... Id love to watch
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:49:00 -
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Uncloak,bomb,coursechange,ab,cloak.
Never suffered from my own bombs yet.
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Max Hardcase Uncloak,bomb,coursechange,ab,cloak.
Never suffered from my own bombs yet.
Its not just your bombs ya gotta worrie about when your in pac's, which is where these ships excell.
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Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 11/12/2008 22:14:27
Originally by: JVol Edited by: JVol on 11/12/2008 19:42:16
Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: JVol The OP's fit would insta pop if caught in even one bombs blast. Launch, GTFO.. hope your buddies do the same... repeat
Plug in my fit in eft.
Use a kinetic damage profile.
See effective HP.
See damage of 1 kinetic bomb.
Notice lack of insta-poppage.
If you're going to trash my setup, at least look at it yourself carefully before jumping to conclusions.
Sorry to burst your EFT uberness bubble, but in the REAL game, in ACTUAL combat, your setup will instapop, not an 'eft theory'. I started testing when bombs first came out, in many setups, some just like yours, I instapoped myself, a few times... Let me know when you get the setup on tranq and use it, or better yet.. Head over to pf-346 with it... Id love to watch
Your 'eft' doesnt take into account the actual hostile targets your going to be slinging these bombs at, fast lockers lock me 50% of the time and get rounds off (and a point or two) before I can warp, and I have almost HALF your sig rad, and all Im doing is uncloaking, launching and warping as fast as I can. Your setup involves activating 2 more moduals before you even warp, not to mention no wcs, so one point and your toast.. You asked for your setup to be rated... = your setups rate = it has been weighed, measured, and found lacking...
You have TWO bombs, the ONLY way you launch them both is to LIVE thru the first launch to come back and try again, your setup isnt built to survive AND escape.. cya on tranq
Tone down the rage the next time you critique a fit.
Simply saying - You setup isnt ideal because a bomber will survive with an afterburner+WCS far better than it will with a buffer tank - would have been enough.
My idea was to fire a bomb and perhaps survive the blast or two with a standard buffer tank. The setup was meant for a gang of 3 Manticores - ideally coming from different directions so hostile intys couldn't swarm all of you.
I know you might feel great being arrogant towards people using a tool to optimize their fits, however I was trying to see how viable a buffer tank would be for a bomber. Your first post said my own bomb (not a hostile target as your counter point claims) would pop me. I don't see that happening when I specifically tank for kinetic damage - not to mention its not difficult to turn on hardeners quickly if you assign them F buttons.
I suppose I'll just have to test it out on sisi instead of asking for a civilized discussion on a setup in this forum.
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Ambrosious Martin
Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: JVol The OP's fit would insta pop if caught in even one bombs blast. Launch, GTFO.. hope your buddies do the same... repeat
Plug in my fit in eft.
Use a kinetic damage profile.
See effective HP.
See damage of 1 kinetic bomb.
Notice lack of insta-poppage.
If you're going to trash my setup, at least look at it yourself carefully before jumping to conclusions.
Quit playing EFT-Online, Start playing EVE-Online!!! Your fit is sound in theory, but what I think you forgot about is the fact that your planning on doing this with 3x bombers, means you need to calculate damage from 3x bombs. Your ship is as big as a small cruiser with all the extenders, if your planning on going the resists route, use all Resist mods and minimize damage as much as possible. Use halo implants and agility mods.
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baltec1
R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:45:00 -
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Bad setup.
Forget about bombs, they wont kill ships that cant warp away and will miss the stuff they can kill because it warped away. Also dont bether trying to tank, it wont work.
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic 'Purge' Targetting System I Ballistic 'Purge' Targetting System I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Improved Cloaking Device II
This is what you want. Good for solo and group work.
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:06:00 -
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This thread is full of people who don't like to read the entire page... Very amusing people shouting EFT warrior to a Desty's...
I like the idea, especially now bombs are that much more affordable.
With the risk of splash damage combined with small eHP, is anyone really going to use Halo implants? __________________________________________
'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________ |
NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:17:00 -
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in before that smacktard turns up to tell your your useless.
- DAMT -
If you dont know, well, you dont know!
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Ambrosious Martin
Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ambrosious Martin on 12/12/2008 14:08:41
Originally by: The Tzar This thread is full of people who don't like to read the entire page... Very amusing people shouting EFT warrior to a Desty's...
I like the idea, especially now bombs are that much more affordable.
With the risk of splash damage combined with small eHP, is anyone really going to use Halo implants?
Why do tards fly insta-poppable frigs, weather T1 or T2, with snake implants? Effect...
*edit* And the reason people are crying EFT warrior, is becuase he even admits to it being a EFT creation, with no sound application of practice.
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Omarvelous
Caldari Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ambrosious Martin Edited by: Ambrosious Martin on 12/12/2008 14:08:41
Originally by: The Tzar This thread is full of people who don't like to read the entire page... Very amusing people shouting EFT warrior to a Desty's...
I like the idea, especially now bombs are that much more affordable.
With the risk of splash damage combined with small eHP, is anyone really going to use Halo implants?
Why do tards fly insta-poppable frigs, weather T1 or T2, with snake implants? Effect...
*edit* And the reason people are crying EFT warrior, is because he even admits to it being a EFT creation, with no sound application of practice.
I start most of my pvp ships with a theory in EFT - then I test it out, and my corp's KB speaks for itself. Sometimes my ideas work (shield tanked gank harby) sometimes my ideas fail (polycarbon nano-onyx ).
Nothing wrong with using EFT as a starting point to check out the possibility of making a certain fit work. I laugh at people in this thread telling me to play the game instead of EFT - come visit my corp in low-sec and find out if we 'play the game'.
I'm fascinated with the use of ranged AOE weapons to deal with 'blobs'. I wanted to see if a ship tanked specifically to its racial bomb - kinetic for manticores - could be viable as a bomber platform instead of the typical agility fit. I wanted to fit as much buffer as possible without using expensive rigs.
Could I possibly tank 3x 8000 or 24,000 points of damage from the bombs? My setup has 2800 shields with 91.1% kinetic resist (94.5 when overheated). Do the math on reducing 24,000 damage from a bomb with those resists. That's what I was looking at.
Ofcourse a hostile inty could ruin your day - but before yoru bombs go off. Of course I wouldn't solo with this ship anyways I would hopefully have anti-interceptor defense flying with me.
Don't be so quick to trash an outside-the-box theory. Give me useful criticism instead of flames.
I agree with the agility fits - they seem good, I just wanted to see if something different could work. Time will tell i suppose.
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:35:00 -
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If you havent started using them to launch yet, I suggest knowing where you plan to use them and set up on grid BM's. Its the only way we've found them to work 100% of the time ( unless u get podded before det ). Use your set up, only way you'll really be able to tweek it, try mine, its cheap and forgiving, you can take a few hits. I dont rig mine just cause I have 2-5 of them fit ready to go when were doing bombing ops and I go cheap.
Most people dog bombs for one reason or another, all I can tell you is I've done all types of pvp in eve, from empire wars/ganks to 0.0 cap blobage, to low sec shenangains... and SO far nothing gives me the rush just before you launch on 20-200 ships, either solo or in a pac.. And given the straight forward 'idea' of bombing blobs sounds easy. see blob= bomb them, leave, repeat. Executing it AND getting mass kill mails is not that easy.
Good luck to ya, I cant wait to see the first kill board with 70 'related' kills on it all from a few bombers..
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August Guns
Minmatar Infinite ISK.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 Bad setup.
Forget about bombs, they wont kill ships that cant warp away and will miss the stuff they can kill because it warped away. Also dont bether trying to tank, it wont work.
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic 'Purge' Targetting System I Ballistic 'Purge' Targetting System I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Improved Cloaking Device II
This is what you want. Good for solo and group work.
^ This.
If you're trying to tank your own bomb then you're doing it wrong. August Guns |
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