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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.10 19:01:00 -
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Buy high end advanced materials, the T2 components that use them and to a lesser extent T2 items themselves. Why? Because there's a good chance they're going to go up in price. Nothing's written in stone but interesting things are being discussed on SHC and the EBANK forums, I suggest you read them.
And remember, don't discuss exploits or moderation on the EVE-O forums. They will ban you for it.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:02:00 -
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SHC? Who's that?
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal SHC? Who's that?
I assume you're kidding but just in case, here's a google search for "shc eve"
Wow, man that was tough. I'm really drained. Googling is just so hard....
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:16:00 -
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Its hard to discuses here since even going into the numbers sorta requires mentioning of the actual bug itself.
Suffice to say, I don't think it to be THAT large as some of us might think. |
Feronia
Gallente Magma Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Suffice to say, I don't think it to be THAT large as some of us might think.
And even if it was, we will never know.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Feronia
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Suffice to say, I don't think it to be THAT large as some of us might think.
And even if it was, we will never know.
Actually given the amounts being thrown around in total terms of profit, its not hard to extrapolate the total amount of materials being discussed (assuming you have the time and are familiar with POS chains)
Its large.. sure. But not like 50% of the mats being thrown into the game. |
SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:28:00 -
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How about if you took all the ISK in EBANK, and Doubled it you still wouldn't have the number you'd want to be looking for :)
Amarr for Life |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS How about if you took all the ISK in EBANK, and Doubled it you still wouldn't have the number you'd want to be looking for :)
Over the total period, yes... but the amount per month is what Im talking about |
Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:37:00 -
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So I'm missing the part where telling people to take advantage of an exploit being closed is good advice.
What's the next tip, selling mislabeled Ravens on contracts?
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SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 10/12/2008 20:41:22 Well then yeah, per month it's pretty low. But if you consider the discovers probably only ran one or two like this. Why bother flooding the market even at a cheap price there comes a time when it's just not worth it. The logistics of moving a single product's worth over a month is incredible, I would imagine the discovers would just narrow to keep logistics low. So I suspect they narrowed it down and said a single POS doing this is as profitable as Ten poses doing it.
Even at 100% output the profit per month is probably about right considering the limitations of the production being tied to time.
Amarr for Life |
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm So I'm missing the part where telling people to take advantage of an exploit being closed is good advice.
What's the next tip, selling mislabeled Ravens on contracts?
Certain reactions, more specifically those that account for over a third of all T2 items can be expected to rise in price over a period of time as supply has been constricted now that the fix has been applied.
..hell even thats prolly crossing the discussion line
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm So I'm missing the part where telling people to take advantage of an exploit being closed is good advice.
Should this actually be true, the markets are going to react to the change. You can either prepare for this or stick your fingers in your ears and sing "La la la, I'm going to pretend nothing is changing."
The fact that the price changes are a result of a loophole being closed are neither here nor there. Prices are going to change (unless this is a really clever market manipulation).
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 10/12/2008 20:39:33 Well then yeah, per month it's pretty low. But if you consider the discovers probably only ran one or two like this. Why bother flooding the market even at a cheap price there comes a time when it's just not worth it. So I suspect they narrowed it down and said a single POS doing this is as profitable as Ten poses doing it.
Even at 100% output the profit per month is probably about right considering the limitations of the prodcution being tied to time.
I don't doubt the profit amounts, I was just pointing out that I don't think its a "OMG the sky is falling" price increase.
That being said... Im going to hire Ninjas to come and kidnap you Kwint. You sorta ruined what I had planned for tomorrow. |
Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Tasko Pal SHC? Who's that?
I assume you're kidding but just in case, here's a google search for "shc eve"
Wow, man that was tough. I'm really drained. Googling is just so hard....
Sorry about that. Didn't think google would deliver. Besides I feel onus is on the initial poster to explain what looked to me to be a rare acronym (unlike WTF, CCP, MD, etc). Seriously, first time I've seen it on MD or elsewhere.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Tasko Pal SHC? Who's that?
I assume you're kidding but just in case, here's a google search for "shc eve"
Wow, man that was tough. I'm really drained. Googling is just so hard....
Sorry about that. Didn't think google would deliver. Besides I feel onus is on the initial poster to explain what looked to me to be a rare acronym (unlike WTF, CCP, MD, etc). Seriously, first time I've seen it on MD or elsewhere.
No problem, I would have linked straight to the article on SHC if I weren't afraid of angering the mods.
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Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet You can either prepare for this or stick your fingers in your ears and sing "La la la, I'm going to pretend nothing is changing."
I realise that, but that doesn't make profiting from the exploit being corrected any better (both morally and in terms of the EULA) than profiting from the exploit itself.
While I also understand that it is HIGHLY unlikely any action will be taken against those who do take the OPs advice, that an MD reg would be advertising this kind of practice and the gleeful replies of those jumping on the gravy train is ... well I would say disappointing but an abundance of credibility has never really been a problem of the MD regs.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm
I realise that, but that doesn't make profiting from the exploit being corrected any better (both morally and in terms of the EULA) than profiting from the exploit itself.
While I also understand that it is HIGHLY unlikely any action will be taken against those who do take the OPs advice, that an MD reg would be advertising this kind of practice and the gleeful replies of those jumping on the gravy train is ... well I would say disappointing but an abundance of credibility has never really been a problem of the MD regs.
There's a lot of things that have no bearing on the morality of a practice. Your observation is one of those things.
Here, I see profiting from a known change in demand to be better morally and with respect to the EULA than profiting from an exploit. Having said that, I'm a bit put off by the manipulation attempts. It's foolish I think to enter into trading when the scope of the cheating is poorly known. I'm seeing the usual moon mineral manipulaters out. But the markets don't seem to support the hype.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm I realise that, but that doesn't make profiting from the exploit being corrected any better (both morally and in terms of the EULA) than profiting from the exploit itself.
I realise that, but even if you don't want to try to make an immediate profit from it you have to prepare for what's going to happen. Even if you aren't highly active in the market. Doing nothing just because the source of the change is questionable activity on the part of unknown others is probably rather foolish.
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Dragonz Fire
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:38:00 -
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its not profiting. its supply and demand. its economics 101. its a "correction of prices"
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Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:39:00 -
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Interesting times we live in
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Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal Here, I see profiting from a known change in demand to be better morally and with respect to the EULA than profiting from an exploit.
And were it so, I'd agree. There is no change in demand, this is about a change in supply and not because of some change in the game mechanics but directly because of an exploit (or more precisely abuse of an exploit being removed).
I'll accept it is more a moral/ethical argument, but I still find it rather disheartening to find regs here encouraging such behaviour.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 10/12/2008 22:03:48
Originally by: Callista Omenswarm
Originally by: Tasko Pal Here, I see profiting from a known change in demand to be better morally and with respect to the EULA than profiting from an exploit.
And were it so, I'd agree. There is no change in demand, this is about a change in supply and not because of some change in the game mechanics but directly because of an exploit (or more precisely abuse of an exploit being removed).
I'll accept it is more a moral/ethical argument, but I still find it rather disheartening to find regs here encouraging such behaviour
Why? What's unethical about it?
It's not taking advantage of an exploit. It's taking advantage of publically available information about the exploit's impact on the Eve market (who was doing it, what products were affected, and a crude idea of the magnitude of the exploit) and CCP's response to the exploit. If you can't distinguish between that and the act of exploiting the bug in question, then there's something seriously wrong with your moral code.
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Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal If you can't distinguish between that and the act of exploiting the bug in question, then there's something seriously wrong with your moral code.
'I'm not exploting, I'm just reaping the benefits of those who did'.
You're right, nothing wrong there.
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Emywn Vanya
Caldari Redemption or Retribution Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:16:00 -
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reasons you should not read forums at work:
When s*** like this happens you cant log on to make a profit or stock up for when your T2 ships blow up...
I'm crying inside... Actually i'm out loud in hopes i get sent home or fired... probably to late to make a profit of this tho.
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Einstein's Ghost
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:18:00 -
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Producing high-ends out of thin air, now that is alchemy Doubt the volumes involved are significant though. Otherwise someone would have blabbed about it much sooner.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm
Originally by: Tasko Pal If you can't distinguish between that and the act of exploiting the bug in question, then there's something seriously wrong with your moral code.
'I'm not exploting, I'm just reaping the benefits of those who did'.
You're right, nothing wrong there.
Maybe you ought to explain how we're "reaping the benefits" before you waste our time any more. Because as I see it, we can't. It's just not possible. The exploit has been blocked and the responsible parties banned or otherwise punished.
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Jehovah Cooper
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:11:00 -
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Hate to be a wet blanket but if the unmentionable volume was even a double-digit percent of total market volume then it would have acted as a natural price brake as volume expanded to fill demand and we wouldn't have needed alchemy. If its even true as described on other forums its unlikely to have been extensive enough to have a long-term market impact.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:26:00 -
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linking for kwint...
Get CSM doing what they were founded to do!! -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:10:00 -
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I'm sorry, but I think I accidentally the whole T2 market
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I'm sorry, but I think I accidentally the whole T2 market
One thing is for certain, based on the volumes and purchases being made in Jita at the moment, people are still clueless as to the links you, I, and many others have pointed out in the T2 production chain.
Since I've already stocked up enough to make sure I make a tidy sum, here is a clue to those missing this train.
If high end reactions weren't using low ends for this exploit..... one would think that it might be prudent to purchase the right qty and type of the low ends?
....just saying |
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